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Green Party's Jill Stein targeted by Russia probe

Thoreau72 said:
Thanks for that fine article. I've been on that bandwagon for about a year. Whistleblowers like Binney and Drake and Kiriakou and Snowden and Manning are the heroes today.

That so many otherwise intelligent people, many friends of mine here in the real world, buy into the nonsense of Russiagate is a sad comment on how well indoctrinated the American electorate is.
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I don't think the American people are all that indoctrinated. I've seen many that don't like either Party, so that's something. And I think many are getting sick and tired of the endless war that's been going on.

As I've said before, we should be friends with Russia, not enemies.
 
The Lurker said:
I don't think the American people are all that indoctrinated. I've seen many that don't like either Party, so that's something. And I think many are getting sick and tired of the endless war that's been going on.

As I've said before, we should be friends with Russia, not enemies.
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I do agree with you that many are beginning to seriously be skeptical of government pronouncements. The question is, can the people really do anything about this? In my cynical view, the bad guys hijacked the federal government decades ago at least. I do not believe the US political system is capable of bringing the change necessary to change the trajectory. I hope I'm wrong.

I think a massive revolt using the jury box, combined with the ballot box, might change direction, but at this stage, I'm skeptical.

Using Russiagate as an example, you and I and quite a few others understand the deception, but most people IMO still buy into the deception.

BTW, I voted for Stein this last time.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I do agree with you that many are beginning to seriously be skeptical of government pronouncements. The question is, can the people really do anything about this? In my cynical view, the bad guys hijacked the federal government decades ago at least. I do not believe the US political system is capable of bringing the change necessary to change the trajectory. I hope I'm wrong.

I think a massive revolt using the jury box, combined with the ballot box, might change direction, but at this stage, I'm skeptical.

Using Russiagate as an example, you and I and quite a few others understand the deception, but most people IMO still buy into the deception.

BTW, I voted for Stein this last time.
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I wouldn't be surprised if what it took was an armed revolution. Sorry, I know that sounds far-fetched, but in the end, it may be our only option. This is why I support gun rights. Well, one of the reasons, anyway. At least the threat of an armed revolution keeps the oligarchs at the door.

How familiar are you with Operation Gladio?
 
The Lurker said:
I wouldn't be surprised if what it took was an armed revolution. Sorry, I know that sounds far-fetched, but in the end, it may be our only option. This is why I support gun rights. Well, one of the reasons, anyway. At least the threat of an armed revolution keeps the oligarchs at the door.

How familiar are you with Operation Gladio?
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FYI, the oligarchs are already in charge, and have been for some time now. I'm sympathetic and all for the 2nd Amendment, but the truth is that the oligarchs and corporations have taken control of the government and society IN SPITE of an armed citizenry.

Yes, I'm familiar with Gladio. I'm a fan of Sibel Edmonds. I think Gladio is still at work and likely responsible for many of the staged events we see in Europe. Maybe here too.
 
Thoreau72 said:
FYI, the oligarchs are already in charge, and have been for some time now. I'm sympathetic and all for the 2nd Amendment, but the truth is that the oligarchs and corporations have taken control of the government and society IN SPITE of an armed citizenry.

Yes, I'm familiar with Gladio. I'm a fan of Sibel Edmonds. I think Gladio is still at work and likely responsible for many of the staged events we see in Europe. Maybe here too.
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You're familiar with Sibel Edmonds? That's great! I'm familiar with Newsbud, although I haven't been keeping up with it lately. But I know that she opposes Fethulah Gulen, so that's definitely a plus.

As for Gladio, I too believe that it is still in effect. The terrorist attack in London done this year was a person apart of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, which was an organization that helped oust al-Gaddafi and turned Libya into a hellhole. Get this: the authorities in London were alerted by the FBI that there was going to be an attack (and that this man who came back from Libya was likely the one to do it, I think, but I'm not sure on that point) and yet they did nothing. It's like how police were told to stand down in Charlottesville and let violence happen under their watch.

Have you watched this video? I think you'll find yourself agreeing with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig
 
The Lurker said:
Uh, no you're not. And being in bed with Russians doesn't mean you're in bed with the Kremlin. This whole thing sounds like Russophobia.
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Huh? Is it your opinion that Russia can and does act independently of Putin? Do you believe that Russia is America's friend and ally?

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As to Jill Stein I have little doubt that the Russians reached out to her as they no doubt reached out to key Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians. They've been doing that for years. Apparently they've been more successful than we know.

To binary thinkers there are only absolutes. Some politicos, no doubt more than we think, have been contacted by people work for or under control of the Russian government. Probably most of those contacts attempts are simple "feelers" to see who might be approachable on the next level. It is a process from what I read the process is on-going and never ending. It is an art and a science.

Probably most people won't take the bait initially or ever. People and situations change, however. No doubt the Kremlin does its homework.

I would hope that you would agree that it is important that our intelligence agencies know when a political person is contacted by a foreign agent. In this instance do we know if Jill Stein reported an attempt to influence or involve her? I don't know if we have that information or if a 3 letter agency wants/needs to share that information with the general public. I do believe that a 3 letter agency has investigated or is investigating the allegation. I would hope so. If Stein and others have broken the law the public should know that.

Knowing that Russia, in this case, has in essence declared war on American democracy and has been apparently very successful our intelligence agencies must be given the support necessary to investigate credible suspicions. Stein would be one.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Huh? Is it your opinion that Russia can and does act independently of Putin? Do you believe that Russia is America's friend and ally?

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As to Jill Stein I have little doubt that the Russians reached out to her as they no doubt reached out to key Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians. They've been doing that for years. Apparently they've been more successful than we know.

To binary thinkers there are only absolutes. Some politicos, no doubt more than we think, have been contacted by people work for or under control of the Russian government. Probably most of those contacts attempts are simple "feelers" to see who might be approachable on the next level. It is a process from what I read the process is on-going and never ending. It is an art and a science.

Probably most people won't take the bait initially or ever. People and situations change, however. No doubt the Kremlin does its homework.

I would hope that you would agree that it is important that our intelligence agencies know when a political person is contacted by a foreign agent. In this instance do we know if Jill Stein reported an attempt to influence or involve her? I don't know if we have that information or if a 3 letter agency wants/needs to share that information with the general public. I do believe that a 3 letter agency has investigated or is investigating the allegation. I would hope so. If Stein and others have broken the law the public should know that.

Knowing that Russia, in this case, has in essence declared war on American democracy and has been apparently very successful our intelligence agencies must be given the support necessary to investigate credible suspicions. Stein would be one.
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Nowhere has Russia declared war on American democracy. And Russia does indeed want to be friends with the U.S., but it's a two-way street. You can't have a super-power like the U.S. condemning non-existent Russian hackers. There is no proof that the Russians hacked the election or colluded with the Trump, and that's with an entire year of investigations. And Russians can and do act independently of Putin everyday.

Please read this article in one my threads.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...alk-russian-hacking-everyone-should-read.html
 
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The Green Party is a bunch of socialists anyway, what's the surprise about liking the Russians?
 
And I don't, for one minute, believe that she was "targeted." If, during the course of the investigation, her name was found, she should be investigated.

Why would she not be?

I think that Mueller and Co. have enough to keep busy with Trump and his administration, without manufacturing defendants.
 
Superfly said:
:lol: Yes. The president of the United States.

What he does, his minions will follow.

One guy. :lamo
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Sorry, I misread the post.

Regardless, just because Trump at one point said that he liked Wikileaks does not mean that Trump colluded with Putin. That's really shoddy logic, no offense.
 
Superfly said:
And I don't, for one minute, believe that she was "targeted." If, during the course of the investigation, her name was found, she should be investigated.

Why would she not be?

I think that Mueller and Co. have enough to keep busy with Trump and his administration, without manufacturing defendants.
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It's not hard to believe that "manufacturing defendants" is exactly what's going on here. None of this happens in a vacuum. Russia is seen as an impediment to U.S. global hegemony and there are enough people fed up with both Parties that it becomes necessary, as far as the elites in this country are concerned, to target any outlets that don't align with the elites.
 
Thoreau72 said:
OMG, the GP and the LP are in bed with the Russians?!?!? Yikes, I hope your wife is not also in bed with the Russians! Or the Governor of your state!!! Holy Cow, the entire country must be in bed with the Russians. :lamo
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If you chose the realnews.com over more reputable sites that are actually willing to look into the Russian connections of these two parties then that's your problem not mine.
 
The Lurker said:
Sorry, I misread the post.

Regardless, just because Trump at one point said that he liked Wikileaks does not mean that Trump colluded with Putin. That's really shoddy logic, no offense.
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If that's all they had, I'd agree with you.
 
The Lurker said:
It's not hard to believe that "manufacturing defendants" is exactly what's going on here. None of this happens in a vacuum. Russia is seen as an impediment to U.S. global hegemony and there are enough people fed up with both Parties that it becomes necessary, as far as the elites in this country are concerned, to target any outlets that don't align with the elites.
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So you think that the GOP are the poor targeted "elites?"

That's almost as funny as the "one guy" comment from you.
 
Superfly said:
So you think that the GOP are the poor targeted "elites?"

That's almost as funny as the "one guy" comment from you.
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No need to have that tone.

The elites have rival factions, but there is a consensus to them. Right now, the Democrats are on the faction that wants to target Russia first, while the Republicans are on the faction that wants the U.S. empire to target China first. That said, they will take the opportunity to squash dissent in any way they see fit. It's in their very nature.

And Trump's an outsider, which to the elites, makes him fair game.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
If you chose the realnews.com over more reputable sites that are actually willing to look into the Russian connections of these two parties then that's your problem not mine.
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Mueller has been "looking into the Russian connections" for many long months, and so far has found nothing. Flynn took a plea, and his testimony shows the Russians rejected US efforts.

It seems Herb Agar's observation years ago was quite accurate: The truth that makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear.

The Russians didn't steal the election, people just rejected Hillary and chose her doppelganger DJT.
 
Saladin4 said:
I remember a sweating screaming trump "I love WikiLeaks".....trump and his goons colluded with Russia...of that...I have NO doubt
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No doubt and also no evidence.
 
Saladin4 said:
No evidence?......Sure keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better
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Thing is, I think that many people believe that Trump is Putin's puppet because it makes people feel that he isn't "legitimate" enough to be President. It makes people feel that their candidate (Hillary) wasn't the problem, but instead an "enemy" like Russia was the problem. But the truth is that Trump won.

Please, read this:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/bias...alk-russian-hacking-everyone-should-read.html
 
Saladin4 said:
No evidence?......Sure keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better
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Correct, no evidence.

But if you think there is evidence, please present any of it. The Official Guesses of the US "intelligence community" do not count as evidence, only uncorroborated speculation.
 
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