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    Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...tatues/548990/

    When Memphians woke up Wednesday, they lived in a city that owned Health Science Park and Fourth Bluff Park, and that featured prominent public statues of Confederate President Jefferson Davis and General Nathan Bedford Forrest. When they woke up the morning after, neither was true.

    In a surprise move Wednesday evening, Memphis’s city council voted to sell the two parks to a new private nonprofit corporation that will run them, on condition that they keep the parks public. Mayor Jim Strickland signed a contract with the nonprofit, Memphis Greenspace, on Friday, and the council ratified it. Soon afterward, Greenspace, which was incorporated in October, began removing the statues,
    Bottom line is Memphis is over 2/3 black and there's no good reason the people of Memphis need to keep monuments to slavers and Kluckers in their public parks. Blacks had no say when these monuments to racists and white supremacists were erected during the Jim Crow era, and the State of Tennessee again removed their voice in deciding to ignore the people of Memphis and rule that Memphis had to keep these monuments in place. I'm glad Memphis found a way to do what they've tried to do by working with the state for years now. The State refused to negotiate in good faith, passing laws further removing the voice of the people in Memphis, and so the city of Memphis found a way to do what the citizens of Memphis demanded. The world is better off with those monuments gone.

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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    Memphis is still a crime-ridden cesspool with or without those statues. The world is no different with the statues gone and neither is Memphis.

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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    Quote Originally Posted by backpacker View Post
    Memphis is still a crime-ridden cesspool with or without those statues. The world is no different with the statues gone and neither is Memphis.
    True, it doesn't change the world, but IMO removing monuments celebrating racist slavers and Kluckers is a good thing. It's a bit like a few of the 12 Steps in AA. Leaving those monuments up is just our state's collective failure to really come to grips with what we got wrong for the centuries of slavery, then another 100 years of Jim Crow. Yeah, the monuments are only symbols, but symbols are important, as we know from the controversy over the NFL players kneeling during the national anthem.

    And I'm glad to hear your totally objective view of a city of 700,000 people.
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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    They should have let the citizens bring hammers and chisels to destroy those statues....Break them into pieces and throw them into the river

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    Way to go, Memphis. THAT will solve those problems.

    MEMPHIS, TN (WMC) -
    Crime has certainly been a key issue in the months long Memphis mayoral campaign.“It's clear that we've gone from 5th most dangerous city to the 3rd most dangerous city," candidate Jim Strickland said during a recent debate. Now, the FBI's newest uniform crime report ranks Memphis as the second most violent city in the United States."
    FBI: Memphis second in violent crime - WMC Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee

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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    Works for me. If people object, they can not use those parks.

    OTOH I'm not a fan of the govt selling public lands but in this case it doesnt seem like it's selling to a company that's going to exploit it and profit from its resources.
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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Way to go, Memphis. THAT will solve those problems.

    MEMPHIS, TN (WMC) -
    Crime has certainly been a key issue in the months long Memphis mayoral campaign.“It's clear that we've gone from 5th most dangerous city to the 3rd most dangerous city," candidate Jim Strickland said during a recent debate. Now, the FBI's newest uniform crime report ranks Memphis as the second most violent city in the United States."
    FBI: Memphis second in violent crime - WMC Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee
    So you've come here to ignore the OP and move the goal posts to a straw man. Predictable, but disappointing.

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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    While we are removing "offensive statues" lets remove the Statue of Liberty, which at the time of its donation to the U.S. the U.S. was oppressing Native Americans. Let's remove the Stature of Christopher Columbus from Columbus Circle in NY, a man who took Natives as slaves and brought disease to Turtle Island. Let's remove Mt. Rushmore, this land was taken from the Native Americans and it was a sacred place in the Black Hills. Lets remove all Statues of Andrew Jackson also know as "Indian Killer" and those of Custer. Geez, while we're at it lets not forget the Washington Monument, for he was a slave holder, or the Jefferson Memorial.

    We can go on and on, but, you know, no matter how hard they try and erase history, it's still going to be there.
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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    A private solution to a public problem is good news, indeed. Now all they need to do is reduce crime a tad to become less dangerous than Baltimore, MD.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...sxtw1?index=23
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    Re: Memphis's Novel Strategy for Tearing Down Confederate Statues

    Quote Originally Posted by Terryj View Post
    While we are removing "offensive statues" lets remove the Statue of Liberty, which at the time of its donation to the U.S. the U.S. was oppressing Native Americans. Let's remove the Stature of Christopher Columbus from Columbus Circle in NY, a man who took Natives as slaves and brought disease to Turtle Island. Let's remove Mt. Rushmore, this land was taken from the Native Americans and it was a sacred place in the Black Hills. Lets remove all Statues of Andrew Jackson also know as "Indian Killer" and those of Custer. Geez, while we're at it lets not forget the Washington Monument, for he was a slave holder, or the Jefferson Memorial.

    We can go on and on, but, you know, no matter how hard they try and erase history, it's still going to be there.
    Well, I know it's tough to defend statues celebrating a Klucker and president of a 'country' dedicated to the idea that slavery is the proper role of blacks, but that IS the actual topic.

    The difference between, say, the Statue of Liberty is the idea of that statue was and is as a symbol of America as a beacon to all people, to freedom. What are you celebrating when you see a monument to a slave trader and the first Grand Wizard of the KKK, or the treasonous first 'President' of a "country" whose cornerstone rested on the idea of white supremacy and the expansion of slavery?

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