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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    The United States played a major role in holding back the USSR as well. Go figure
    Which prevented the spread of liberalism and socialism. No wonder so many modern day libs are furious at the GOP.
    Trump Attacked A Syrian Airfield. Trump will be a one-term president.

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Not too surprising. China has been pushing economic influence in Africa and beyond since the 1990s.

    - After the Cold War, Clinton's foreign policy centered around humanitarian efforts in a world where Bush Sr.'s policy engaged with world organizations. This was largely over issues in Europe while he ignored genocides in Africa. In the mean time, the IMF began setting new conditions for loans during this "humanitarian" period. They refused to give loans to certain African governments unless they made socioeconomic and political changes to fit the requirements. This was based on American and European insistence. Well, China rolled in and started writing checks with no conditions. It proved that, while basing a foreign policy more on Liberal ideology is smart long-term policy, it cannot be blind to the realpolitik of the moment.

    - Bush was continuing Clinton's policy before 9/11, but without the insistence that a dude in a cave could ever be a threat. With 9/11 in the rear view, Bush's more neo-Conservative foreign policy largely centered on terrorism and Islamism in Southeast Asia, South Asia, and only northern Africa. It was not just about Afghanistan and Iraq. Economic and military aid began to involve subtle demands for sociopolitical change (the more enduring effort against Islamist terrorism). This can be measured by looking at newly created laws here and there across the region, but Bush couldn't make his argument because he wasn't smart enough.

    - Obama's "wait-and-see" foreign policy merely addressed issues as they arose. It was almost entirely reactive in nature, especially due to the Arab Spring. Obama continued most of Bush's policy towards governments, but was a complete failure in terms of politically and economically supporting new democracies. He greatly increased UAV targeting across the region, but largely refrained from getting off the fence in regards to what may or may not happen in each individual country as dictators (our allies) either fell or hung on. This left us decisively weak and without conviction to stand for our own professed principles or expressed regional goals in a post support-your-friendly-dictator world. Obama's policy was neither Liberal, nor Neo-Con. It was as neutral as our policy was before World War I.

    - Trump's foreign policy is simply still undefined, but embraces Obama's "wait-and-see" policy more haphazardly as he flips and flops all over the place, which leaves us even more unpredictable and unreliable. Now, even our allies stand next to our enemies to condemn us.

    In the mean time, China had been bankrolling African governments this whole time and gaining more and more influence. Russia constantly snubbed the U.S. over Ukraine and Syria. Ukraine proved that we have limits and will not move to defend even an ally if Russia invades. Of course, this wasn't a great move on Russia's part either because Crimea has proven to be a great economic and political pain to Putin; and the rest of Ukraine was pushed to the West now, despite the West proving useless to them. With Russia still proving to strongly embrace the strong man, Obama was inconsistent in Syria, supported the opposition poorly, and made declarations against war crimes as Putin flipped us off. Syria belongs to Russia. And with Trump's BS comments and declarations against China, China has merely pushed forward to join Russia in the Syrian victory over the U.S. and seek to widen its African influence into the Middle East.

    "America First" is a welcome mat for others to assume our leadership positions. We have been backing away from "greatness" since Clinton and fumbling about inconsistently ever since because Conservatives and Liberals would rather have their heads up their political asses than understand the world they live in. Without the unifying fight against communism of the Cold War, we have been clueless as to our purpose. Trump is tripling down. Empty and largely pointless rocket attacks on Syria for chemical weapons use as Russia wins Syria? Absurd military threats to a nuclear armed North Korea? "Taking names" over Jerusalem? We have made ourselves a laughing stock and presented ourselves as an empty shell.

    And as history has proven twice, it is not America that will start a World War. It's our absence.
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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Which prevented the spread of liberalism and socialism. No wonder so many modern day libs are furious at the GOP.
    Considering that Western Europe embraced liberalism and many socialist systems, I would actually learn about these things before you toss them about.

    The U.S. attacked the spread of communism, which is an economic system that opposed capitalism. In the mean time, you live in a liberal country that maintains many social programs.

    And wasn't it the vast majority of the Conservatives who proved their disgust with the GOP by voting for Trump?

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Which prevented the spread of liberalism and socialism. No wonder so many modern day libs are furious at the GOP.
    Liberalism is not socialism

    Liberalism is very similar to modern day conservatism. Unless you are talking about modern liberalism as in liberal democrats in the United States lol.

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    I read more. They did back in 2015. weird
    That's the way legal slipage works. One precedent after another.

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They sent troops to Sudan. Chinese troops participated in the genocide there.
    The world's leaders in death squads, genocide, napalming villagers, carpet bombing civilians, firebombing civilians, terrorism, war crimes, ... really ought not to be pointing fingers.

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack50 View Post
    Someone has to keep the world from falling apart. Last time I checked...since we took over as Sheriff Nobody has decided that a conflict in the balkans is worth killing 80 million people.
    That is pure crap. The US illegally invades countries to steal their wealth. The US causes all the world's problems, the latest in Iraq, Afghanistan, ... with the US 911 lies.

    That is what the USA has always done since the vicious war crimes started in the late 19th century.

    We also haven’t elected an Adolf or a Stalin or Mao. .
    No, but a Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Ford, Johnson, Eisenhower, Truman, ..., war criminals all.

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    The world's leaders in death squads, genocide, napalming villagers, carpet bombing civilians, firebombing civilians, terrorism, war crimes, ... really ought not to be pointing fingers.
    The Chicoms murdered 50 million people. You bet I'll point a finger at those bastards.
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    You people are my problem. You’re a major component of what’s wrong with this country.

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by camlok View Post
    That is pure crap. The US illegally invades countries to steal their wealth. The US causes all the world's problems, the latest in Iraq, Afghanistan, ... with the US 911 lies.

    That is what the USA has always done since the vicious war crimes started in the late 19th century.



    No, but a Bush, Reagan, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Ford, Johnson, Eisenhower, Truman, ..., war criminals all.
    Salty huh? Must not be happy with the fact that we are back to back world war champs and hold the belt in the Cold War too. The United States doesn’t “steal” or steal wealth. We like to open up markets to capitalism. And guess what? When the world economy is pretty much centered on us? Well it benefits us. And as for those presidents...not one of them is responsible for mass genocide. The Europeans were killing Jews by the millions and the Russians and Chinese are no slouches either. You are obviously a radical.

    And then you said the 9/11 lies? What lies? Are you one of “those” people who believes it was an inside job?

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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Chicoms murdered 50 million people. You bet I'll point a finger at those bastards.
    I know you will. USians are born into mouthing propaganda to help divert attention from their long long history of deep deep evil.

    Do you have a count for the US's Native American genocide? How about the Philippines, Nicaragua, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Chile, Mexico, Angola, Cuba, ... ?

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