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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm no fan of Israel, but I'm going to need more than that to consider your statement as valid. Syria, as a state actor, is no real threat to Israel and hasn't been for some time.

    I am pretty sure we don't want to carry this discussion too far in this thread, we could end up crossing the "martial law" line.
    You have to excuse T72....

    Everything that happens geopolitically is done to benefit Israel. (Slight hyperbole) Even if it doesn't benefit them.

    9/11 = Israel

    Saddam = Israel

    Waxy yellow buildup = Israel
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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    You have to excuse T72....

    Everything that happens geopolitically is done to benefit Israel. (Slight hyperbole) Even if it doesn't benefit them.

    9/11 = Israel

    Saddam = Israel

    Waxy yellow buildup = Israel
    DISCLAIMER: I need to be clear about this in the very beginning, I don't want any members who read this to think that I an anti-semite or Jew hater. I've seen these conversation go south very quickly when someone is critical of Israel. I have nothing against Israeli's (jewish or arab or whatever). I have an issue with U.S. policy towards Israel (and Saudi Arabia), and I have an issue with Israeli policy towards Palestinians. It's repugnant.

    I am certainly aware of the very unhealthy relationship the U.S. has maintained with Israel and Saudi Arabia, and why we have maintained those relationships to the detriment of our every other relationship we have in the Middle East. The Israeli lobby is deeply entrenched in D.C. and fiercely aggressive. However, I'm not going to accept that the U.S. funded ISIS to topple Syria for the benefit of Israel. We certainly funded, equipped, and trained a number of factions in the fight against Assad, but I have yet to see any evidence to prove we did the same for ISIS.

    As an aside, I have some books that you may find interesting if don't already have them.
    Reset: Iran, Turkey, and America's Future by Stephen Kinzer I highly recommend this book. I have all of Kinzer's books, but this one is simply top shelf.
    The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Police by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
    Against Our Better Judgement: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel by Alison Weir

    I have several others, but these three books I think are must reads for anyone who is on the fence about U.S. foreign policy and Israel.
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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    DISCLAIMER: I need to be clear about this in the very beginning, I don't want any members who read this to think that I an anti-semite or Jew hater. I've seen these conversation go south very quickly when someone is critical of Israel. I have nothing against Israeli's (jewish or arab or whatever). I have an issue with U.S. policy towards Israel (and Saudi Arabia), and I have an issue with Israeli policy towards Palestinians. It's repugnant.

    I am certainly aware of the very unhealthy relationship the U.S. has maintained with Israel and Saudi Arabia, and why we have maintained those relationships to the detriment of our every other relationship we have in the Middle East. The Israeli lobby is deeply entrenched in D.C. and fiercely aggressive. However, I'm not going to accept that the U.S. funded ISIS to topple Syria for the benefit of Israel. We certainly funded, equipped, and trained a number of factions in the fight against Assad, but I have yet to see any evidence to prove we did the same for ISIS.

    As an aside, I have some books that you may find interesting if don't already have them.
    Reset: Iran, Turkey, and America's Future by Stephen Kinzer I highly recommend this book. I have all of Kinzer's books, but this one is simply top shelf.
    The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Police by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
    Against Our Better Judgement: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel by Alison Weir

    I have several others, but these three books I think are must reads for anyone who is on the fence about U.S. foreign policy and Israel.
    I will also point out there are a signifigent number of Israeli citizens that disagree with their government. Other than that.. this topic should be elsehwhere.
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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    DISCLAIMER: I need to be clear about this in the very beginning, I don't want any members who read this to think that I an anti-semite or Jew hater. I've seen these conversation go south very quickly when someone is critical of Israel. I have nothing against Israeli's (jewish or arab or whatever). I have an issue with U.S. policy towards Israel (and Saudi Arabia), and I have an issue with Israeli policy towards Palestinians. It's repugnant.

    I am certainly aware of the very unhealthy relationship the U.S. has maintained with Israel and Saudi Arabia, and why we have maintained those relationships to the detriment of our every other relationship we have in the Middle East. The Israeli lobby is deeply entrenched in D.C. and fiercely aggressive. However, I'm not going to accept that the U.S. funded ISIS to topple Syria for the benefit of Israel. We certainly funded, equipped, and trained a number of factions in the fight against Assad, but I have yet to see any evidence to prove we did the same for ISIS.

    As an aside, I have some books that you may find interesting if don't already have them.
    Reset: Iran, Turkey, and America's Future by Stephen Kinzer I highly recommend this book. I have all of Kinzer's books, but this one is simply top shelf.
    The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Police by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
    Against Our Better Judgement: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel by Alison Weir

    I have several others, but these three books I think are must reads for anyone who is on the fence about U.S. foreign policy and Israel.


    I have to confess I am not up on the nuances of the middle east, Canada is not all that much affected usually.

    However I believe the US position on Israel is the same as that of Britain, Canada, and Germany if not Franc with exceptions. It has been a standard (taught in US school to me) that Israel could not exist if not for the $ and arms backing of the US and it's European allies.

    Much of that I can accept, however it seems the support now is blind. Under Trump it appears the colonial policies Israel has held are being carried out taking west bank land from its rightful residents. That should NOT be supported.

    Trump's moving an embassy ends years of negotiations aimed at limiting Israel's expansion and making "Palestine" a multinational, and multi denominational. Muslims, Christians, Jews and B'Hai all call Palestine their "spiritual home" To hand it over to Israel carte blanche ignoring the other needs will set that goal back decades
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    Re: China sends troops into Syria to help Assad

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    I will also point out there are a signifigent number of Israeli citizens that disagree with their government. Other than that.. this topic should be elsehwhere.
    You are correct on both points.
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