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CDC director says there are ‘no banned words’ at the agency

They're not banned, you can still choose to use them, but you will be defunded if you use them - and liberals are poopoofaces for seeing no practical difference?



That's the spin here? We'll slice things that finely just to *get* the left?
 
Threegoofs said:
As I said.

It’s not a ban.

You just can’t use them.
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It wasn't that at all. It was #fakenews


It was a memorandum suggesting certain words not be used to get funding for projects. it held no weight as a "rule".


The media lied to you all again and you all bought the headline.


The question is, how much can they lie to you before you get tired of being duped?
 
Threegoofs said:
As I said.

It’s not a ban.

You just can’t use them.
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Picking your ass in public is discouraged but you can still do it. Picking your friends ass in public is banned.

You can pick your friends and you can pick your ass but you can't pick your friend's ass.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It wasn't that at all. It was #fakenews


It was a memorandum suggesting certain words not be used to get funding for projects. it held no weight as a "rule".


The media lied to you all again and you all bought the headline.


The question is, how much can they lie to you before you get tired of being duped?
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So what you’re saying is that it’s not a ban, you just can’t use the words.

Got it.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
It wasn't that at all. It was #fakenews

It was a memorandum suggesting certain words not be used to get funding for projects. it held no weight as a "rule".

The media lied to you all again and you all bought the headline.

The question is, how much can they lie to you before you get tired of being duped?
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WaPo reported this, and notably there is nothing in any story I've seen claiming the WaPo story got anything wrong except for the splitting hairs exercise of "banned in budget docs" versus "prohibited in budget documents":

Kelly told the analysts that “certain words” in the CDC’s budget drafts were being sent back to the agency for correction. Three words that had been flagged in these drafts were “vulnerable,” “entitlement” and “diversity.” Kelly told the group the ban on the other words had been conveyed verbally.
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So you can use the not-banned words, but if you do we'll send the documents back for correction. Yes, that's different from a ban, in which case if you used those words, the documents sent back for correction. Totally different!

And the hilarious thing is the anti-PC administration and party is enforcing their own PC. Seems the GOP will be triggered if they see certain words or phrases in budget documents. Poor snowflakes.
 
NonoBadDog said:
Picking your ass in public is discouraged but you can still do it. Picking your friends ass in public is banned.

You can pick your friends and you can pick your ass but you can't pick your friend's ass.
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So you’re saying it’s not a ban, you just can’t use the words.

I got it. Really.
 
holbritter said:
Uh hello? And how does that translate to 'Trump Banned certain words'. If you honestly don't see the difference in meaning, then oh well. :shrug:

And I never said fake news, so stop lying.
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lol

First, The WaPo article reported that a high official at the CDC told staffers not to use certain terms in their budget requests; she did not say why, only that she was relaying orders. Fitzgerald merely issued a standard flat-out denial, which is not exactly convincing. The article also listed the ways the administration has removed references to terms and concepts it doesn't want to hear about, particularly with climate change and LGBT rights.

Second, you're saying that the WaPo lied, and decrying how "we all fell for it." That sure sounds like "fake nooooz!" to me.

While I normally applaud attempts to find nuances in public policy and media reporting, I am also not impressed by attempts to rationalize the politicization of federal agencies.
 
Visbek said:
lol

First, The WaPo article reported that a high official at the CDC told staffers not to use certain terms in their budget requests; she did not say why, only that she was relaying orders. Fitzgerald merely issued a standard flat-out denial, which is not exactly convincing. The article also listed the ways the administration has removed references to terms and concepts it doesn't want to hear about, particularly with climate change and LGBT rights.

Second, you're saying that the WaPo lied, and decrying how "we all fell for it." That sure sounds like "fake nooooz!" to me.

While I normally applaud attempts to find nuances in public policy and media reporting, I am also not impressed by attempts to rationalize the politicization of federal agencies.
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You don’t understand!

It’s not a ban. You just can’t use the words! It’s so clear!
 
holbritter said:
Notice where I had to post this. Non-MSM

U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald on Sunday addressed a report that President Donald Trump’s administration had banned the CDC from using seven words or phrases in next year’s budget documents.

The terms are “fetus,” “transgender,” “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “evidence-based” and “science-based,” according to a story first reported on Friday in The Washington Post.

But Fitzgerald said in a series of tweets on Sunday said there are “no banned words,” while emphasizing the agency’s commitment to data-driven science.

But in follow-up reporting, The New York Times cited “a few” CDC officials who suggested the move was not meant as an outright ban, but rather, a technique to help secure Republican approval of the 2019 budget by eliminating certain words and phrases.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees the CDC, said the reported decree on banned words was a misrepresentation.

“The assertion that H.H.S. has ‘banned words’ is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process,” Matt Lloyd, an agency spokesman, said in a statement.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cdc-director-says-there-are-no-banned-words-at-the-agency


And we all fell for it. Shame on us.

This is a biased media country. Well done U.S.A.
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So you got a tweet as "proof" and then this from your own source:

But in follow-up reporting, The New York Times cited “a few” CDC officials who suggested the move was not meant as an outright ban, but rather, a technique to help secure Republican approval of the 2019 budget by eliminating certain words and phrases.
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It's not a ban, but you won't get funding if you use those words. Talk about a difference without a distinction.

Someone clearly fell for something here, but it wasn't liberals.
 
Didnt notice the article stating if there would be repercussions for using the "less than banned" words tho.
 
JasperL said:
WaPo reported this, and notably there is nothing in any story I've seen claiming the WaPo story got anything wrong except for the splitting hairs exercise of "banned in budget docs" versus "prohibited in budget documents":



So you can use the not-banned words, but if you do we'll send the documents back for correction. Yes, that's different from a ban, in which case if you used those words, the documents sent back for correction. Totally different!

And the hilarious thing is the anti-PC administration and party is enforcing their own PC. Seems the GOP will be triggered if they see certain words or phrases in budget documents. Poor snowflakes.
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What the CDC's banned words list tells you about Trumpism - CNNPolitics

blaming trump. suggesting the words are banned outright in the headline. #fakenews

Word ban at CDC includes 'vulnerable,' 'fetus,' 'transgender' - CNN
"(CNN)Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the very agency tasked with saving and protecting the lives of the most vulnerable, are now under order by the Trump administration to stop using words including "vulnerable" in 2018 budget documents, according to The Washington Post."

show me where trump admin ordered this?
 
NonoBadDog said:
Discourage:
persuade (someone) against an action.

Ban:
officially or legally prohibit.

Moving the goalposts:
metaphor, derived from goal-based sports, that means to change the criterion (goal) of a process or competition while still in progress, in such a way that the new goal offers one side an intentional advantage or disadvantage.


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... and there was an official prohibition of using certain words in budget documents.
 
Threegoofs said:
So you’re saying it’s not a ban, you just can’t use the words.

I got it. Really.
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Visbek said:
lol

First, The WaPo article reported that a high official at the CDC told staffers not to use certain terms in their budget requests; she did not say why, only that she was relaying orders. Fitzgerald merely issued a standard flat-out denial, which is not exactly convincing. The article also listed the ways the administration has removed references to terms and concepts it doesn't want to hear about, particularly with climate change and LGBT rights.

Second, you're saying that the WaPo lied, and decrying how "we all fell for it." That sure sounds like "fake nooooz!" to me.

While I normally applaud attempts to find nuances in public policy and media reporting, I am also not impressed by attempts to rationalize the politicization of federal agencies.
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Threegoofs said:
You don’t understand!

It’s not a ban. You just can’t use the words! It’s so clear!
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Absentglare said:
So you got a tweet as "proof" and then this from your own source:



It's not a ban, but you won't get funding if you use those words. Talk about a difference without a distinction.

Someone clearly fell for something here, but it wasn't liberals.
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Absentglare said:
... and there was an official prohibition of using certain words in budget documents.
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You know, I really don't care if you guys understand the workings of budgeting and requesting funds. I do. And what was done was very common, and is done no matter what side your on. You don't request funds using words that will get your request rejected. Big ass duh!

Now, I didn't once say it was fake news. When the other threads started when the Trump Banned' headlines came out, there was bitching about censorship, dictatorship and other 'sky is falling' commentary.

I admit thinking, holy ****, Trump is definitely losing it, and jumped on it as well. Too bad you can't admit it was a big deal over nothing and becoming commonplace now for the media to hyperbole everything.

Did Trump give the CDC a list of words that are banned as the headline implied?? No. Period.
 
JasperL said:
OK, but that's literally semantics. The list of words can't be used. WaPo reported that documents with the not-banned words were being sent back for edits to replace the not-banned words with other words. The PBS story didn't say any of those reports were false, just that there is no ban, just a formal prohibition against using those words for budget documents, which is precisely what WaPo reported in its original story.

And as to it being a nothing, then why this:



If you can't talk about those things, it's kind of hard to address them. And if the not-ban is just word choices, then what is the point of a list of words you can't use? Is the idea that readers will be triggered by those words, and best to avoid them and to substitute other words or terms? And this is the administration condemning political correctness? LOL...
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What was the headline? Answer that.
 
holbritter said:
You know, I really don't care if you guys understand the workings of budgeting and requesting funds. I do. And what was done was very common, and is done no matter what side your on. You don't request funds using words that will get your request rejected. Big ass duh!

Now, I didn't once say it was fake news. When the other threads started when the Trump Banned' headlines came out, there was bitching about censorship, dictatorship and other 'sky is falling' commentary.

I admit thinking, holy ****, Trump is definitely losing it, and jumped on it as well. Too bad you can't admit it was a big deal over nothing and becoming commonplace now for the media to hyperbole everything.

Did Trump give the CDC a list of words that are banned as the headline implied?? No. Period.
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Right.

They weren’t banned.

You just can’t use them.

Crystal clear.
 
Mr Person said:
They're not banned, you can still choose to use them, but you will be defunded if you use them - and liberals are poopoofaces for seeing no practical difference?



That's the spin here? We'll slice things that finely just to *get* the left?
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Not trying to 'get the left'. Sick of the media and the hyperbole. Sorry if it's fine by you.
 
holbritter said:
Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
Right.

They weren’t banned.

You just can’t use them.

Crystal clear.
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Uh, yes you can.
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The gist I get is that other words should be used when possible, rather than an outright ban. Maybe the intent is to use the proper words rather than code-words too.
 
Threegoofs said:
So what you’re saying is that it’s not a ban, you just can’t use the words.

Got it.
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DO you understand what a "suggestion" is?



Can you show me where trump directed the CDC to not use those words as claimed?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/cdc-director-says-there-are-no-banned-words-at-the-agency



What was done was suggestions of what words to be left out to get funding in a republican controlled congress. you were duped once again with #fakenews

"But in follow-up reporting, The New York Times cited “a few” CDC officials who suggested the move was not meant as an outright ban, but rather, a technique to help secure Republican approval of the 2019 budget by eliminating certain words and phrases."



So you guys actually had something legit to argue. the fact the CDC would suggest not using words because of evil republicans, but instead you all jumped on "baaaah evil trump banned words at cdc! barrrrrgghhhhh!!!!! fascism!!!!!!!"


but you were being useful somethings in lenin's eyes my friend.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
So you guys actually had something legit to argue. the fact the CDC would suggest not using words because of evil republicans, but instead you all jumped on "baaaah evil trump banned words at cdc! barrrrrgghhhhh!!!!! fascism!!!!!!!"
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Yes, this would have been a better approach!

ReverendHellh0und said:
but you were being useful somethings in lenin's eyes my friend.
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That's normal. Liberals follow their pundits with faith, not understanding the facts.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The gist I get is that other words should be used when possible, rather than an outright ban. Maybe the intent is to use the proper words rather than code-words too.
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The intent is not to have your request for funds rejected. That is all it is. By all means, they can use whatever words they want, but smart business will not.
 
holbritter said:
The intent is not to have your request for funds rejected. That is all it is. By all means, they can use whatever words they want, but smart business will not.
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Right. By using the best words without a biased slant, that would be poorly received.
 
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