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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    I don't what "normal vs abnormal" or financing have to do with the question of whether contraception and maternity are related. It should be obvious that they are.
    As soon as your English is understandable I'll try to give you an answer.

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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    As soon as your English is understandable I'll try to give you an answer.
    I'm not asking you a question. I'm stating the contraception and maternity are intimately related. No pun intended.

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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate




    Trump and his [mis]administration seem to think the executive branch can arbitrarily change US law via the stroke of a pen.
    It's only a restraining order until this gets to SCOTUS, which I am sure it will.
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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    No, not at all. Why would you think so?

    One is purely medical, i.e. the progressive examination of the ZEF development to monitor for problems, and the delivery and subsequent in-hospital care.

    How that compares to paying for peoples contraceptive so they can have sex without having a baby, I certainly don't know. How about a little personal responsibility in at least THAT area. :
    This is Limbaugh Logic. My wife took contraceptives before she became sexually active, to regulate a cycle that caused problems for her. The drug is used in ways other than for women to be sluts.

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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    This is Limbaugh Logic. My wife took contraceptives before she became sexually active, to regulate a cycle that caused problems for her. The drug is used in ways other than for women to be sluts.
    1. Don't call women "sluts." (I certainly didn't. )

    2. Then buy an insurance rider for your particular need. Why should everyone else pay for that?

    A rider is an add-on provision to a basic insurance policy that provides additional benefits to the policyholder at an additional cost. Standard policies usually leave little room for modification or customization beyond choosing deductibles and coverage amounts. Riders help policyholders create insurance products that can meet their specific needs.
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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    What I really see as an issue is the need for prescriptions....many Nations allow for OTC sales of birth control; Portugal, Mexico, Brazil, South Africa, Greece, Turkey, South Korea, Russia, and several others....yet the US lags behind in this respect with the exception of one or two states ( Oregon and California I think).

    I would think that the proven low risk history of birth control pills would make it a candidate for OTC sales, but I believe that in doing so, it would run up against the religious groups, and some medical providers.

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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate




    Trump and his [mis]administration seem to think the executive branch can arbitrarily change US law via the stroke of a pen.
    HHS drastically narrowed the religious exemption rules after the law was passed. I believe only a handful of states had more narrow religious exemptions on the books. If HHS under Obama can create it, HHS under Trump can undo it, that's how regulation without legislative foundation works.

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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The contraceptive mandate isn't "US law." The contraception mandate was HHS regulation. The regulation was promulgated by HHS; it can be rescinded by HHS.

    In other words, the executive branch can indeed undo what the executive branch put into place.

    (Never mind that the Obama administration indeed arbitrarily changed immigration law via the stroke of a pen, by their own words. Some of us warned you all ("I have a pen, and a phone." "If Congress won't act, I will.") that "I have a pen, and a phone" set a lousy precedent that Trump was going to be able to take full advantage of, but some were way too busy cheering that you were getting what you wanted to take heed.)
    That is what I don't understand about these judges. They have to be politics hacks sitting on a bench.
    They pretty much ruled in favor of it while obama was in office. Saying that they had to power to do it.

    If one has the power to do it then one has the power to undo it.

    Similar to NN that lawsuit has started. Any judge should dismiss the case on the grounds that the FCC has the power to undo it just as they had the power to put it in.

    These judges talk out both sides of their ass.

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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
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    Trump and his [mis]administration seem to think the executive branch can arbitrarily change US law via the stroke of a pen.
    From what I understand what is being rescinded was not a part of the PPACA as passed through the legislative branch. Is that correct? It was something that the Obama administration put in? If that is the case then the judge has no authority on this count as Trump has the power to rescind it. If however it was a part of the PPACA as passed by the legislative branch then the judge did a good thing. No President should have the power to rescind or ignore laws passed through the legislative branch.

    So, Rogue Valley, could you clarify for me what exactly is being rescinded and exactly who instituted it?

    Note that I have no dog in this fight. I personally do not mind that insurance companies be mandated to carry birth control as part of their plans. I know that some women need it to help regulate their cycles as not doing so can be hazardous to their health. My interest is purely in whether the process to bring about such is correctly done.
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    Re: Judge blocks Trump rollback of Obamacare contraception mandate

    ObamaCare (ACA) requires that most health/insurance companies cover birth control as preventive care for women at no additional cost.

    The Trump administration rolled back the requirement earlier this year, arguing that it infringed on the religious and moral rights of some businesses.

    Ergo, the Trump administration attempted to put their own spin/restrictions on US law that is not delineated in the ACA. The judge agreed with the plaintiff (AG of Pennsylvania).


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