President Trump Just Made It Even Easier For His Accusers To Win In Court

Somerville · Dec 12, 2017

The man seems to have little control over his typing fingers -- and a verry poor memory.

President Trump Just Made It Even Easier For His Accusers To Win In Court

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/940554567414091776

Trump’s tweet–which is, remember, an official White House statement–could expose the president to a series of legal slam dunks from the multiple women who have accused him of sexual assault, groping, forced kissing, harassment, attempted rape and rape.

Specifically, here’s the part that could get him in trouble: “o now they are moving on to the false accusations and fabricated stories of women who I don’t know and/or have never met.”

A cursory read of this statement shows the president is lying like a middle school virgin who insists he’s had sex with celebrities.

Why? Because Trump has verifiable relationships with at least 17 of his 20-plus accusers.

ataraxia · Dec 12, 2017

Somerville said:
The man seems to have little control over his typing fingers -- and a verry poor memory.

And remember folks, he has the best memory. The best brain ever.

"“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things...I have one of the greatest memories of all time. I know what I’m doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people,... but my primary consultant is myself, and I have a good instinct for this stuff."
-Donald Trump

MTAtech · Dec 12, 2017

Not only are his lies verifiable but by calling these women liars, he's opening himself up for defamation lawsuits.

ecofarm · Dec 12, 2017

1. Trump says that "the Democrats" have spent "millions of dollars" and "wasted" thousands of hours in an attempt to prove he colluded with the Russians during the 2016 campaign.

Not true. Special counsel Robert Mueller, a former Republican-appointed FBI director, was appointed to be special counsel by deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who works under Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who is a longtime Republican. And, yes, Sessions was nominated for that job by none other than Trump himself. Democrats have, without question, pushed the idea that the available evidence suggests collusion occurred. But Democrats don't control the Justice Department or the House and Senate. These investigations are all being led by either Republican appointees or Republican elected officials.

2. Trump says no collusion with Russia has been shown.

Trump has repeatedly insisted that there is no collusion. Which might well be true! But it isn't clear right now. It's more like unproven. No one -- not Mueller and not the congressional committees looking into the matter -- has said anything definitive about collusion. "The committee continues to look into all evidence to see if there was any hint of collusion," said Sen. Richard Burr, the Republican head of the Senate intelligence committee, in October. Mueller hasn't spoken publicly about the investigation at all.

3. Trump has said he doesn't know and has never met the women accusing him of sexual harassment.

This is provably false.

Summer Zervos, one of the accusers, was a contestant on the fifth season of "The Apprentice." Trump, obviously, met her. In fact, he's said he did! "I vaguely remember Ms. Zervos as one of the many contestants on The Apprentice over the years," Trump said.

In 2005, Natasha Stoynoff went to Mar-A-Lago to do a story for People magazine on Trump's marriage to Melania Trump on the one-year anniversary of their nuptials. She interviewed both Trumps. He clearly met her.

Donald Trump got 3 things wrong in 1 tweet this morning - CNNPolitics

Captain Adverse · Dec 12, 2017

Hmmm....

Let's see that quote:

“~~o now they are moving on to the false accusations and fabricated stories of women who I don’t know and/or have never met.”~~

First, note that and/or before "have never met."

That means some he has never met, while other's may have met him but he neither knows about them nor recalls the circumstances of their encounter(s).

Next, for the definition of "Know" used in this context:

1. a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of...

1 b (1) : to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2) : to be acquainted or familiar with (3) : to have experience of

Click to expand...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know

Now I have met a lot of people in my lifetime. Thousands in fact.

There will be a few hundred that I will have had some moderate contact with, where they might even recall me while I don't recall them.

But the vast majority were so transient that I can honestly say while I may have encountered them I may not recognize them or if so, truthfully say I actually know them.

I am fairly certain that a wealthy top percenter of our society Trump has met hundreds of women in the course of his lifetime...the vast majority of whom have little or no impact on his memory.

Thus it might very well be fair of him to say...in all honesty, that he does not know someone despite having met them at one time or another.

Things are not as clear cut as some might think, just saying. :coffeepap:

rocket88 · Dec 12, 2017

MTAtech said:
Not only are his lies verifiable but by calling these women liars, he's opening himself up for defamation lawsuits.

It's only defamation if it's AGAINST him. HE can do whatever he wants. Ask his acolytes.

rocket88 · Dec 12, 2017

Captain Adverse said:
Hmmm....

Let's see that quote:

First, note that and/or before "have never met."

That means some he has never met, while other's may have met him but he neither knows about them nor recalls the circumstances of their encounter(s).

Next, for the definition of "Know" used in this context:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know

Now I have met a lot of people in my lifetime. Thousands in fact.

There will be a few hundred that I will have had some moderate contact with, where they might even recall me while I don't recall them.

But the vast majority were so transient that I can honestly say while I may have encountered them I may not recognize them or if so, truthfully say I actually know them.

I am fairly certain that a wealthy top percenter of our society has met hundreds of women in the course of his lifetime...the vast majority of whom have little or no impact on his memory.

Thus it might very well be fair of him to say...in all honesty, that he does not know someone despite having met them at one time or another.

Things are not as clear cut as some might think, just saying. :coffeepap:

Al Franken remembers things differently than his accusers do. Does that mean he's also innocent?

Captain Adverse · Dec 12, 2017

rocket88 said:
Al Franken remembers things differently than his accusers do. Does that mean he's also innocent?

I thought Mr. Franken "admitted his guilt."

Did he deny his actions after all?

haymarket · Dec 12, 2017

rocket88 said:
Al Franken remembers things differently than his accusers do. Does that mean he's also innocent?

Only if you are a Republican does it work that way.

jdog21 · Dec 12, 2017

MTAtech said:
Not only are his lies verifiable but by calling these women liars, he's opening himself up for defamation lawsuits.

So your saying the women are lying for money?

reinoe · Dec 12, 2017

rocket88 said:
Al Franken remembers things differently than his accusers do. Does that mean he's also innocent?

Franken was innocent in the eyes of the law and just about everyone said so. OOOPS. Your deflection with whataboutism fell flat.

Kobie · Dec 12, 2017

jdog21 said:
So your saying the women are lying for money?

Go back and read it again.

Captain America · Dec 12, 2017

rocket88 said:
Al Franken remembers things differently than his accusers do. Does that mean he's also innocent?

But of course he's guilty!

Al Franken is a democrat librul.

They're always guilty.

LOCK HIM UP!

Call Judge Roy!

:lamo

Somerville · Dec 12, 2017

Captain Adverse said:
Hmmm....

Let's see that quote:

First, note that and/or before "have never met."

That means some he has never met, while other's may have met him but he neither knows about them nor recalls the circumstances of their encounter(s).

Next, for the definition of "Know" used in this context:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know

. a (1) : to perceive directly : have direct cognition of...

1 b (1) : to recognize as being the same as something previously known (2) : to be acquainted or familiar with (3) : to have experience of

Click to expand...

Now I have met a lot of people in my lifetime. Thousands in fact.

There will be a few hundred that I will have had some moderate contact with, where they might even recall me while I don't recall them.

But the vast majority were so transient that I can honestly say while I may have encountered them I may not recognize them or if so, truthfully say I actually know them.

I am fairly certain that a wealthy top percenter of our society Trump has met hundreds of women in the course of his lifetime...the vast majority of whom have little or no impact on his memory.

Thus it might very well be fair of him to say...in all honesty, that he does not know someone despite having met them at one time or another.

Things are not as clear cut as some might think, just saying. :coffeepap:

Why would you emphasize the "acquainted or familiar with" phrase and seemingly ignore the first definition in what I see as a rather lame attempt to defend a serial liar?

Since you obviously didn't read the linked article, here are a few of the women and a brief description of when they met Trump

(1) Cassandra Searles–Searles was Miss Washington 2013 and Trump oversaw the pageant where she performed;
(2) Summer Zervos–Zervos was a contestant on season five of The Apprentice;

(4) Ninni Laaksonen–Laaksonen and Trump appeared on The Late Show With David Letterman on the same night and took a photograph there together in 2006;

(6) Juliet Huddy–the former Fox News host had Trump appear on her show and joked to multiple people there about an earlier pass he had made at Huddy;
(7) Jennifer Murphy– Murphy was a contestant on Season four of The Apprentice;
(8) Natasha Stoynoff–in 2005, the journalist wrote a profile of the Trump family and was given a tour of Mar-a-Lago by the Donald himself;
(9) Mindy McGillivray–McGillivray was assisting photographer Ken Davidoff at Mar-a-Lago in 2003 and Davidoff has confirmed an apparent interaction between McGillivray and Trump;

(17) Jill Harth–Harth and Trump go way back–as business associates–and settled a lawsuit related to their business dealings in 1997 which resulted in an attempted rape lawsuit against Trump being dropped. Trump’s attorney has admitted that Trump knew her.

I didn't provide some of the names as their stories are not as well confirmed as the ones I have listed.

MTAtech · Dec 12, 2017

rocket88 said:
It's only defamation if it's AGAINST him. HE can do whatever he wants. Ask his acolytes.

I'm saying that the women can sue Trump for defamation for calling them liars.

MTAtech · Dec 12, 2017

jdog21 said:
So your saying the women are lying for money?

You are making both a super leap in logic and getting my meaning wrong -- but thanks for playing.

ataraxia · Dec 12, 2017

Captain Adverse said:
Hmmm....

Let's see that quote:

First, note that and/or before "have never met."

That means some he has never met, while other's may have met him but he neither knows about them nor recalls the circumstances of their encounter(s).

Next, for the definition of "Know" used in this context:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/know

Now I have met a lot of people in my lifetime. Thousands in fact.

There will be a few hundred that I will have had some moderate contact with, where they might even recall me while I don't recall them.

But the vast majority were so transient that I can honestly say while I may have encountered them I may not recognize them or if so, truthfully say I actually know them.

I am fairly certain that a wealthy top percenter of our society Trump has met hundreds of women in the course of his lifetime...the vast majority of whom have little or no impact on his memory.

Thus it might very well be fair of him to say...in all honesty, that he does not know someone despite having met them at one time or another.

Things are not as clear cut as some might think, just saying. :coffeepap:

Wow. Very interesting.

So now, I would like to go on to argue about what the meaning of the world "is" is....

Somerville · Dec 12, 2017

haymarket said:
Only if you are a Republican does it work that way.

jdog21 said:
So your saying the women are lying for money?

Huh? One might accuse the women of telling the truth for money, if and when their stories are verified, but they aren't, "lying for money", as far as we know. If and when one or all of them is shown to be lying, it will cost them money.

apdst · Dec 12, 2017

MTAtech said:
Not only are his lies verifiable but by calling these women liars, he's opening himself up for defamation lawsuits.

That isn't defemation.

Captain Adverse · Dec 12, 2017

Somerville said:
Why would you emphasize the "acquainted or familiar with" phrase and seemingly ignore the first definition in what I see as a rather lame attempt to defend a serial liar?

Since you obviously didn't read the linked article, here are a few of the women and a brief description of when they met Trump

I didn't provide some of the names as their stories are not as well confirmed as the ones I have listed.

...and in what way does this information refute anything in my prior response? :roll:

Cassandra Searles–Searles was Miss Washington 2013 and Trump oversaw the pageant where she performed. SO? How many beauty pageants has Trump been involved in? How many contestant's has he had a passing encounter with?

Summer Zervos was a contestant, for one week when she was fired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._season_5)

She alleges that during an attempted job interview he acted aggressively towards her, sometime in 2007, and is suing him (apparently she didn't get the job.

I could go on...but no need. Allegations remain allegations until proven. :shrug:

Tanngrisnir · Dec 12, 2017

Somerville said:
The man seems to have little control over his typing fingers -- and a verry poor memory.

Oopsie. Visual evidence that Trump is, yet again, a lying whore.

Footage shows Trump with some accusers after he claimed he ?never met? women | TheHill

Captain Adverse · Dec 12, 2017

Somerville said:
Why would you emphasize the "acquainted or familiar with" phrase and seemingly ignore the first definition in what I see as a rather lame attempt to defend a serial liar?

Since you obviously didn't read the linked article, here are a few of the women and a brief description of when they met Trump

I didn't provide some of the names as their stories are not as well confirmed as the ones I have listed.

...and in what way does this information refute anything in my prior response? :roll:

Cassandra Searles was Miss Washington 2013 and Trump oversaw the pageant where she performed. SO? How many beauty pageants has Trump been involved in? How many contestant's has he had a passing encounter with?

Summer Zervos was a contestant, for one week when she was fired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._season_5)

She alleges that during an attempted job interview he acted aggressively towards her, sometime in 2007, and is suing him (apparently she didn't get the job).

I could go on...but no need. Allegations remain allegations until proven. :shrug:

Captain Adverse · Dec 12, 2017

ataraxia said:
Wow. Very interesting.

So now, I would like to go on to argue about what the meaning of the world "is" is....

Certainly, but no argument necessary. Always glad to help:

Definition of is
present tense third-person singular of be

dialectal present tense first-person and third-person singular of be

dialectal present tense plural of be

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/is

You're welcome. :2bow:

Somerville · Dec 12, 2017

haymarket said:
Only if you are a Republican does it work that way.

Captain Adverse said:
...and in what way does this information refute anything in my prior response? :roll:

Cassandra Searles was Miss Washington 2013 and Trump oversaw the pageant where she performed. SO? How many beauty pageants has Trump been involved in? How many contestant's has he had a passing encounter with?

Summer Zervos was a contestant, for one week when she was fired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apprentice_(U.S._season_5)

She alleges that during an attempted job interview he acted aggressively towards her, sometime in 2007, and is suing him (apparently she didn't get the job).

I could go on...but no need. Allegations remain allegations until proven. :shrug:

Ms. Zervos is willing to put herself in a courtroom and face the possibility of some rather severe penalties if it is shown that she has lied. And you provide an attempted deflection to the "Oh, she's just pissed because she didn't get the job."

Manc Skipper · Dec 12, 2017

Captain Adverse said:
I thought Mr. Franken "admitted his guilt."

Did he deny his actions after all?

No, he never admitted any guilt, That's a Republican reinterpretation. An urban myth, if you will.

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