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The Gun-Control Legislation That Even Republicans Like

TurtleDude said:
as you can see, much of the anti gun rhetoric is really anti NRA (due to how NRA members vote) agendas, not anti crime
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The CDC is not allowed to research gun violence largely due to the NRA's efforts. They were instrumental in hobbling ATF. Don't act like they're anything but a lobby group for gun manufacturers. It's beneath you.
 
Polar Bum said:
Argument fail.

The NRA has complained that the criminal back ground check system has been broken for some time......It is in the NRA's interest to insure that violent criminals do NOT have access to firearms so that the anti second Amendment groups would not continue to push more restrictions on legitimate gun owners.
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Let me know when the vote is scheduled on any of those things. :roll:
 
Deuce said:
Perhaps it's the NRA's continuous efforts to hamstring any government body that would ever look into it.
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Can you try being specific for once?

What has the NRA done to hamstring government bodies?

Especially since the USSC is the final word on guns laws to begin with.
 
I wouldn't even consider this a gun-control bill. It's a revision to the way people do their job.

The legislation doesn’t call for expanding restrictions on gun purchases; it’s meant to stop people from buying guns when they were never supposed to be able to in the first place. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, relies on state and federal officials to report mental-health and criminal-conviction records that legally bar individuals from purchasing firearms. But those records don’t always make it into the system.

After a gunman killed 26 people in Sutherland Springs, Texas, earlier this month, the Air Force conceded that it failed to report the shooter’s prior domestic violence conviction, an action that if it had been taken might have prevented the purchase of the firearms used in the shooting. The new legislation is intended to make sure that something like that never happens again.
 
Deuce said:
The CDC is not allowed to research gun violence largely due to the NRA's efforts. They were instrumental in hobbling ATF. Don't act like they're anything but a lobby group for gun manufacturers. It's beneath you.
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crime fighting groups can and do study that. the reason why the CDC was restricted was because it used to brag it was going to promoted gun bans even though it has no expertise in the area
 
Media_Truth said:
I wouldn't even consider this a gun-control bill. It's a revision to the way people do their job.

The legislation doesn’t call for expanding restrictions on gun purchases; it’s meant to stop people from buying guns when they were never supposed to be able to in the first place. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, relies on state and federal officials to report mental-health and criminal-conviction records that legally bar individuals from purchasing firearms. But those records don’t always make it into the system.

After a gunman killed 26 people in Sutherland Springs, Texas, earlier this month, the Air Force conceded that it failed to report the shooter’s prior domestic violence conviction, an action that if it had been taken might have prevented the purchase of the firearms used in the shooting. The new legislation is intended to make sure that something like that never happens again.
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I see you admit that "gun control" is stuff that harasses honest gun buyers.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Can you try being specific for once?

What has the NRA done to hamstring government bodies?

Especially since the USSC is the final word on guns laws to begin with.
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Left-wingers hate how the NRA has become an effective force in denying bannerrhoid politicians elective office.
 
TurtleDude said:
crime fighting groups can and do study that. the reason why the CDC was restricted was because it used to brag it was going to promoted gun bans even though it has no expertise in the area
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Citation needed
 
Deuce said:
Citation needed
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you're denying the DOJ and FBI studies crime?

tell me what sort of expertise do doctors have concerning crime and crime reducing legislation? As to the CDC, here is why

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/12/why-we-cant-trust-the-cdc-with-gun-research-000340

That is what is behind the renewed call for Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) funding to “research gun violence.” It’s not objective data gun control advocates seek. They have a pre-determined outcome. Now, they just need some government-sponsored, taxpayer-funded data points to validate their anti-gun agenda. ....

Government-funded research was openly biased in the 1990s. CDC officials unabashedly supported gun bans and poured millions of dollars into “research” that was, in fact, advocacy. One of the lead researchers employed in the CDC’s effort was quoted, stating “We’re going to systematically build the case that owning firearms causes deaths.” Another researcher said he envisioned a long-term campaign “to convince Americans that guns are, first and foremost, a public health menace.”
 
TurtleDude said:
I see you admit that "gun control" is stuff that harasses honest gun buyers.
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Easy access to guns is a MAJOR problem in this country. You wouldn't want to vote me into any public office, because my personal view is to revoke Amendment 2. Adios to all guns. But I'm a realist, and understand that, although this will happen at some point, it won't be in my lifetime. So a simple ADIOS to assault weapons will have to be the settlement.
 
Media_Truth said:
Easy access to guns is a MAJOR problem in this country. You wouldn't want to vote me into any public office, because my personal view is to revoke Amendment 2. Adios to all guns. But I'm a realist, and understand that, although this will happen at some point, it won't be in my lifetime. So a simple ADIOS to assault weapons will have to be the settlement.
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not gonna happen. One of the reasons I own guns is because of people who think like you
 
Deuce said:
Citation needed
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Citation not needed.

Take a few minutes and Google Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Dept of Justice, National Institute of Justice, etc......in addition to each States law enforcement and investigative agencies.

Do you think these organizations qualify as 'crime fighting groups"?

I think they do.

They have been conducting studies and generating statistics annually for quite some time now.
 
Media_Truth said:
Easy access to guns is a MAJOR problem in this country. You wouldn't want to vote me into any public office, because my personal view is to revoke Amendment 2. Adios to all guns. But I'm a realist, and understand that, although this will happen at some point, it won't be in my lifetime. So a simple ADIOS to assault weapons will have to be the settlement.
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Heh....the irony of that statement seems to be lost on you.

People like you and that particular mentality is one of the very reasons the Second Amendment exists in the first place.

Someone assuming they know what is best for everyone.....its always the "for the greater good of the people" mindset that starts dictatorships on their way down the yellow brick road.
 
Polar Bum said:
Citation not needed.

Take a few minutes and Google Federal Bureau of Investigation, US Dept of Justice, National Institute of Justice, etc......in addition to each States law enforcement and investigative agencies.

Do you think these organizations qualify as 'crime fighting groups"?

I think they do.

They have been conducting studies and generating statistics annually for quite some time now.
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his stupid demand for a citation was dilatory apparently or it was based on him pretending that the CDC was not a partisan bannerrhoid organizations
 
Polar Bum said:
Heh....the irony of that statement seems to be lost on you.

People like you and that particular mentality is one of the very reasons the Second Amendment exists in the first place.

Someone assuming they know what is best for everyone.....its always the "for the greater good of the people" mindset that starts dictatorships on their way down the yellow brick road.
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and I guarantee the motive is based on how gun owners vote. it has nothing to do with crime control.
 
Media_Truth said:
Easy access to guns is a MAJOR problem in this country. You wouldn't want to vote me into any public office, because my personal view is to revoke Amendment 2. Adios to all guns. But I'm a realist, and understand that, although this will happen at some point, it won't be in my lifetime. So a simple ADIOS to assault weapons will have to be the settlement.
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That attitude is the reason The Constitution exists.
 
Polar Bum said:
Heh....the irony of that statement seems to be lost on you.

People like you and that particular mentality is one of the very reasons the Second Amendment exists in the first place.

Someone assuming they know what is best for everyone.....its always the "for the greater good of the people" mindset that starts dictatorships on their way down the yellow brick road.
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It's communism. Liberals can deny it all they want, but they're all communists to one degree, or another.
 
Polar Bum said:
Heh....the irony of that statement seems to be lost on you.

People like you and that particular mentality is one of the very reasons the Second Amendment exists in the first place.

Someone assuming they know what is best for everyone.....its always the "for the greater good of the people" mindset that starts dictatorships on their way down the yellow brick road.
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Dictatorships huh? Like Great Britain, Poland, Canada, Australia, and Japan. And now you can add Switzerland to that list. Check out the "Death by Firearms" rates in those countries. While we are one of the highest in the world on that statistic, they are all near ZERO.
 
Media_Truth said:
Dictatorships huh? Like Great Britain, Poland, Canada, Australia, and Japan. And now you can add Switzerland to that list. Check out the "Death by Firearms" rates in those countries. While we are one of the highest in the world on that statistic, they are all near ZERO.
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then explain why the group in the USA that has the highest rate of legal gun ownership doesn't have gun crime rates statically different from the similar groups in Canada and England
 
TurtleDude said:
then explain why the group in the USA that has the highest rate of legal gun ownership doesn't have gun crime rates statically different from the similar groups in Canada and England
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Prove it. Lol
 
vegas giants said:
Prove it. Lol
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why should I do something I have already done and which you have failed to do despite your frantic posting history since you joined this board?
 
Deuce said:
My understanding is: Many of these people can claim the didn't knowingly lie on the form. Ignorance isn't easy to disprove.
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(insert appropriate Hillary comment here) _____________________________________________________________________
 
Media_Truth said:
Dictatorships huh? Like Great Britain, Poland, Canada, Australia, and Japan. And now you can add Switzerland to that list. Check out the "Death by Firearms" rates in those countries. While we are one of the highest in the world on that statistic, they are all near ZERO.
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So?

And Japan leads the world in suicide despite their firearms restrictions.

One thing you seem to have overlooked is that there are only 3 or 4 nations in the world with a "Second Amendment" enshrined in their Constitutions, and none of those that you listed are among them....in addition, those countries you mentioned still have violent crime....removing or restricting firearms did not end it.

Why is it the anti second amendment groupies always go straight to 'but, but, but....other countries" ? :roll:
 
Polar Bum said:
Bipartisan support is still no guarantee that a bill to strengthen the federal background-check system will pass.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ntrol-chris-murphy-democrats-congress/545399/


So....nice, right?

The problem with the legislation is enforcement. President Obama signed an Executive Order that was supposed to do the same thing. It made for good press, but it really didn’t change anything – after the Executive Order was signed, everyone put their feet up, lit a cigar and congratulated each other for “doing something, anything” and the EO was promptly forgotten.

Before that EO, was the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 during the Bush Administration which “Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to: (1) authorize the Attorney General to obtain electronic versions of information from federal agencies on persons disqualified from receiving firearms; (2) require federal agencies to provide such information to the Attorney General, not less frequently than quarterly; and (3) require federal agencies to update, correct, modify, or remove obsolete records and notify the Attorney General of such actions to keep the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) up to date. Requires the Attorney General to submit annual reports to Congress on the compliance of federal agencies with such reporting requirements.” It actually rewarded states and federal agencies for doing what they should have been doing all along, but obviously, that didn’t work.

So the new bill only regurgitates old legislation that was never enforced. I want to know how the new legislation will do anything better than the old legislation.

I want to see changes to actual enforcement.....
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I think the more laws we have the less enforcement we have. There are simply too many laws designed to harass honest gun owners and pressure cooker owners that the police and the public ignore them.
 
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