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Hillary Clinton Calls DOJ Investigation Threats An ‘Abuse Of Power’

OK, grab a lawyer and sue Comey and the government, good luck. Trump and many in his administration have already been caught using private cell phones and servers yet you have no problem with any of that. Unless you're ready to retroactively arrest all of the previous secretaries of state like Colin Powell who all did the exact same thing your cries of "lock her up" ring hollow. The justice system is not a weapon for you to use against your political enemies. You've already convicted Clinton in your mind so there's no arguments that could be made. Mueller will keep his investigation going despite your cries.

Did the others that you cite also set up an illegal server, destroy emails AFTER they were subpoenaed, conspire "wipe" the illegal server and conspire to obstruct justice?

Just wondering how severe your partisan selective blindness might be...
 
Did the others that you cite also set up an illegal server, destroy emails AFTER they were subpoenaed, conspire "wipe" the illegal server and conspire to obstruct justice?

Just wondering how severe your partisan selective blindness might be...

Yes to all. Did you forget the time the Bush administration deleted hundreds of thousands of emails? Why not stay consistent? Instead you're going to try to give me a bunch of reasons why that doesn't count.
 
I'm not sure who told you that the media can convict someone but that's wildly incorrect. If Mueller brings charges he has a reason to do so and will have to prove it in court. Justice is blind to the emotions of the hysterical.

I never said the media could convict someone. The operative sword in your post here is “IF.” Conservatives are content to wait for “WHEN.” Trump’s detractors aren’t willing to wait for that. In honesty, tables turned, the right wouldn’t wait for that “when” either.

My post stands.
 
If the investigation is happening under a republican government then it's either got substance or you should be blaming the republicans for eating their own. Just because Trump has a majority doesn't mean everyone in his administration is immune from prosecution for crimes. That's not how it works.

That's NOT how it worked under Obama as he led the most corrupt administration in the history of the republic.

What you say seems to indicate that you reject the idea that the Republicans don't see Trump as one of there own. I have seen no evidence to indicate that the Republicans are embracing Trump. It seems pretty obvious that if Trump was removed from office this afternoon, the celebration from the establishment in DC would be unbridled and party affiliation among the partiers would indistinguishable.

That is the whole point, though. The Republicans and the Democrats are the same party.

The staged drama of the make believe opposing ideologies is revealed by the FACT that nothing ever changes.

Have you failed to notice this?
 
Yes to all. Did you forget the time the Bush administration deleted hundreds of thousands of emails? Why not stay consistent? Instead you're going to try to give me a bunch of reasons why that doesn't count.

In December of 2009, all of the missing Bush Emails were found.

Therefore not destroyed. Therefore not a parallel.

Just sayin'...

The use of email was a pretty new thing in the Bush Administration. The laws were being written to cope with the new technologies as the Bush Administration was moving along.

Not so in the Obama Administration. Email was a widely used and understood medium.

THAT is precisely the reason that Hillary set up the private server in violation of Federal Guidelines put in place to guide the actions that she conducted in violation of the law.
 
I never said the media could convict someone. The operative sword in your post here is “IF.” Conservatives are content to wait for “WHEN.” Trump’s detractors aren’t willing to wait for that. In honesty, tables turned, the right wouldn’t wait for that “when” either.

My post stands.
I don't have to wait to condemn Trump, I can do it for whatever reason I like when I like. The justice system on the other hand needs evidence and a conviction. Has Trump been charged with a crime? No? Then what's the problem?

That's NOT how it worked under Obama as he led the most corrupt administration in the history of the republic.

What you say seems to indicate that you reject the idea that the Republicans don't see Trump as one of there own. I have seen no evidence to indicate that the Republicans are embracing Trump. It seems pretty obvious that if Trump was removed from office this afternoon, the celebration from the establishment in DC would be unbridled and party affiliation among the partiers would indistinguishable.

That is the whole point, though. The Republicans and the Democrats are the same party.

The staged drama of the make believe opposing ideologies is revealed by the FACT that nothing ever changes.

Have you failed to notice this?
Conspiracy theory nonsense.

In December of 2009, all of the missing Bush Emails were found.

Therefore not destroyed. Therefore not a parallel.

Just sayin'...

The use of email was a pretty new thing in the Bush Administration. The laws were being written to cope with the new technologies as the Bush Administration was moving along.

Not so in the Obama Administration. Email was a widely used and understood medium.

THAT is precisely the reason that Hillary set up the private server in violation of Federal Guidelines put in place to guide the actions that she conducted in violation of the law.
No, not all emails were found, only a lot of them. A tiny fraction of 22 million is still way more than 33,000. So it's OK people in the Bush administration used private email servers and deleted permanently many emails. You have no consistency thus no credibility.
 
If you desperately want Clinton prosecuted for something, regardless of the facts and evidence, yet don't want Trump prosecuted for anything, regardless of the facts and evidence, it just might be you who has NO MORAL COMPASS.

Keep fantasizing, the rest of us won't hold our breath and Mueller's investigation continues.

“... regardless of facts and evidence...”

ROTFLMFAO
 
If you believe that the President has the right to order investigations into political rivals, then you don't know what abuse of power is and you're regularly confused about why people laugh at banana republics.

Oh, and do tell about Obama ordering the DOJ to investigate his political rivals. This I've go to hear.

Change the term political rivals to criminals, then would you say the DOJ should investigate?
 
Change the term political rivals to criminals, then would you say the DOJ should investigate?

Banana republic dictators would never think to use the term "investigating criminals" when investigating their political rivals. If only they were as imaginative as you.
 
Banana republic dictators would never think to use the term "investigating criminals" when investigating their political rivals. If only they were as imaginative as you.

Just to keep this straight. If the person is a political rival, they can do anything and not be investigated. Is that right?
 
Just to keep this straight. If the person is a political rival, they can do anything and not be investigated. Is that right?

Would the President have ordered the investigation of his political rival in your hypothetical scenario?
 
ROTFLOL... Disastrous? No... it would be WONDERFUL.

Comey made the case against Criminal Hillary, then let her off the hook by using the word “intent”.

Many people convicted of crimes have claimed they did not intend to. Hillary intended to. Everyone knows she intended to. Like the scorpion is born to sting, behaving criminally is in her character.

Hillary coming out and opening her yap on this was the worst things she could have done in her defense. She generates little to no sympathy, and everyone knows she is a criminal who is the beneficiary of a 2-tier justice system.

Corrupt politicians need be locked up to deter future corrupt politicians, and because they are not above the law.

She just needs to retire to a private island somewhere, and take her army of sycophants with her.
 
If you desperately want Clinton prosecuted for something, regardless of the facts and evidence, yet don't want Trump prosecuted for anything, regardless of the facts and evidence, it just might be you who has NO MORAL COMPASS.

Keep fantasizing, the rest of us won't hold our breath and Mueller's investigation continues.

Strange, I don't recall the OP even mentioning that Trump shouldn't be investigated. So if you could refrain from putting words in other posters mouths, that would be a decent thing to do.
 
OK, grab a lawyer and sue Comey and the government, good luck. Trump and many in his administration have already been caught using private cell phones and servers yet you have no problem with any of that. Unless you're ready to retroactively arrest all of the previous secretaries of state like Colin Powell who all did the exact same thing your cries of "lock her up" ring hollow. The justice system is not a weapon for you to use against your political enemies. You've already convicted Clinton in your mind so there's no arguments that could be made. Mueller will keep his investigation going despite your cries.

We have no problem so far as Trump's people follows the rules of said personal email servers. Which I like to point out, that no one is talking about. Seeing as the information that goes through those servers has to be copied over for inspection, and it appears that they are complying with that rule 100%.

Even Bannon complied with the rules set forth by the DoD.

This whole email thing, is a waste. Hillary screwed herself over by not complying, and then trying to cover it up. Just like Bush's administration had managed to do.
 
Just to keep this straight. If the person is a political rival, they can do anything and not be investigated. Is that right?

Where does Cardinal keep getting this banana republic crap from?

I keep looking around, yet I don't see anything that gives even a slight hint of such a system here.
 
Strange, I don't recall the OP even mentioning that Trump shouldn't be investigated. So if you could refrain from putting words in other posters mouths, that would be a decent thing to do.

Lol, yes, I assumed that the most partisan Trumpite on this forum, who spends all of his time here screaming about Hillary and gargling Trump's balls does not think Trump should be investigated. Not much of a leap, especially when he's said it in other threads.

You can keep complaining but the first two sets of charges have been brought against Trump officials and more are sure to come. So just grab some popcorn and watch how it all plays out.
 
The "Obama Justice Department" is a cutesy way of acknowledging that Obama didn't order it. It would be like saying "The George W. Bush-administration 911 attack."

Your second link does the exact same thing, and it's worse because it's an opinion piece.

The Daily Wire? Oh, Jesus Christ...

Try again.

Yeah, just disregard the citations, and say its all crap... that's what all the other regressive people are doing these days.

He was right thought, you are hanging way too hard on this red-herring target of yours. The desperation is almost palpable.

Just answer the question. Here, I'll even repost it to jog your memory.
Do you or do you not agree that if the law is broken that a proper investigation be conducted?
or do you believe in a 2 tiered justice system as long as there is a D in front of their name.

Please do try to stay on track this time.
 
Lol, yes, I assumed that the most partisan Trumpite on this forum, who spends all of his time here screaming about Hillary and gargling Trump's balls does not think Trump should be investigated. Not much of a leap, especially when he's said it in other threads.

You can keep complaining but the first two sets of charges have been brought against Trump officials and more are sure to come. So just grab some popcorn and watch how it all plays out.

Which we will let it play out, and I will point it out again. You are bringing in a topic that wasn't even part of this thread in the first place. So either you are so desperate to find some sort of angle of advantage on this thread, that you would reach completely out into another forum for it. Or you're more desperate to gargle on Hillary's balls then I originally gave you credit for.

Now can this thread actually return to some point of civility, or are you going to keep being another one of the weights that keeps dragging it down?
 
Banana republic dictators would never think to use the term "investigating criminals" when investigating their political rivals. If only they were as imaginative as you.

The Socialists of America Partei (SAPs) defense is to hide their criminality behind politics.

Tell it to Scooter Libby.

Hillary is a citizen who has committed many serious crimes. She deserves to be investigated in full, and punished for breaking the law.

We know she broke the law, as Comey stated so clearly... but he made the mistake of inserting “intent”. Intended or not (and she intended to... everyone knows it), she deserves her day in court and prison.

Then there is Uranium One. This type of criminality need be hunted down and stopped. Because it’ll happen again, and the defense will be... The Clinton Crime Family did it.
 
Yeah, just disregard the citations, and say its all crap... that's what all the other regressive people are doing these days.

He was right thought, you are hanging way too hard on this red-herring target of yours. The desperation is almost palpable.

Just answer the question. Here, I'll even repost it to jog your memory.


Please do try to stay on track this time.

I can only be left to assume that when dictators regularly throw their political opponents in prison, you accept their excuses that they're all criminals.
 
No, not all emails were found, only a lot of them. A tiny fraction of 22 million is still way more than 33,000. So it's OK people in the Bush administration used private email servers and deleted permanently many emails. You have no consistency thus no credibility.

Except, of course, that Hillary was actually breaking laws.

For the emails you're addressing, the law(s) broken by Hillary did not exist.

Also, and this is something you seem to keep missing, when Hillary entered into the conspiracy to destroy the server and obstruct justice, HER emails were under subpoena.

This is in no way to imply that the president tied with Obama for being the worst in American History was pure as the driven snow. Only to point out as I did before, that Email was an evolving technology during the Bush Administration as were the laws to governing it's use and retention.

When Hillary participated in the conspiracy to bleach her server, the laws were previously established and in force.

https://www.intradyn.com/email-retention-laws/
<snip>
The need for email retention laws didn’t truly solidify until December 2006, when the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure were significantly revised. This revision marked the tenth time changes were made to the laws since their establishment in 1938. (Cornell’s law school has an excellent index and explanation of the rules here.)
<snip>
 
So far there is no evidence that trump has broken any laws.
there is a whole ton of evidence that Clinton broke the law.
Comey spent 30-45 minutes laying out all the evidence.

Unfortunately Come chose politics over doing his job. He should be charged with obstruction of justice.

Just because you wish it were so, doesn't make it true.
 
I couldn't identify an actual crime that started this investigation myself.

It appears that you cannot do so either.

That's only one of the very many things that makes this investigating so interesting.

I find it interesting that the Republican controlled Federal Government is attacking the Republican President by this method as well as so many others.

Just shows, AGAIN, that we do not have two political parties. We have one establishment political organization that strives to maintain its power.

Trump is outside the fold and is therefore a target of the two halves of the establishment party.

Has there been a Democrat President attacked by his own party while they held the majority in both Houses and controlled the White House?

I can't seem to recall this having happened. Maybe you can recall an example.

Yep, Trump supporters are "anti-establishment". You're a true Trump supporter, you've checked that box.

Democrats will criticize a "Democrat president", when that "Democrat president" behaves like a childish wannabe dictator that openly profits from his own presidency, and puts starkly unqualified people in positions of power.
 
Just because you wish it were so, doesn't make it true.

so show us the evidence that trump broke the law. I will be waiting. So far no one has posted anything.
PS ignoring facts is a fallacy you should probably stop doing it.
 
Yep, Trump supporters are "anti-establishment". You're a true Trump supporter, you've checked that box.

Democrats will criticize a "Democrat president", when that "Democrat president" behaves like a childish wannabe dictator that openly profits from his own presidency, and puts starkly unqualified people in positions of power.

" Wannabe dictator " Oh the hypocrisy....
The 8 years under Obama moved this Nation closer to resembling a 3rd world tin pot dictatorship than any President before him

You people not only defended him but voted for him....twice.

Lets see, there was using the IRS to target innocent American citizens based on political afiliation, there was hacking into the phone records of AP reporters and declaring James Rosen a criminal conspirator under the 1922 Espionage act.

There was the wide spread illegal unmaskings and surveillance of the Political opposition, James Comey's exoneration of Hillary weeks before she was set to be interviewed

You people convienently ignored Samantha Powers testimony that her identity and security clearance was used to unmask hundreds of people in 2016

There was the destruction of subpoenaed emails, devices and evidence, the tarmac meeting, Holder lying under oath, the billions of dollars in illegal payments to insurers to prop up the failing exchanges, the hundreds of millions of dollars that flowed into the Clinton Foundation, the 1 million dollar " birthday present " to Bill Clinton from Qatar, the undisclosed Clinton foundation donations, the list goes on and on.

So spare us your selective outrage, you dont have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing the Trump administratiin
 
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