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Woman Says George H.W. Bush Groped Her When She Was 16: 'I Was a Child'

AGENT J said:
1.) This isnt about families though maggie
2.) lol uh huh . . . im trying to understand your reasoning and logic which seems completely illogical
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But wait! Mr. Spock is my idol!
 
Bucky said:
David Copperfield LOL.

Come on. It is just an innocent grab. We have all done it.
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No those who like sexually assaulting women have done it. Those pervs belong in jail.
 
Praxas said:
"Patting" is not grabbing or squeezing the butt is it? So again, not sure what you are arguing there. I said grabbing the butt and yes, grabbing, squeezing, whatever IS sexual assault. I know you don't like facts but there it is.
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Praxas, please quote my post where Insaid grabbing was not assault. You are moving the goalposts. Just quote it, and you’ll have my apology for poor wording on my part.
 
Bucky said:
So, if a man goes in for a hug to your daughter, is that considered sexual assault as well?
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Why do so many people think hugs are welcome?

Not saying it's sexual assault but I find hugs from people I am not close to, to be awkward and uncomfortable and even make me anxious sometimes. I don't like them. Yet, so many people think everyone wants a hug and that they are welcome.
 
Is she pressing charges, suggesting we kick him out of office, or shun him from life? If not, who cares? If its true, we know its wrong, he knows its wrong. Whats the point of this accusation?
 
MaggieD said:
I don’t think I ever said grabbing. Why are you determined to slant my comments to show my opinion in its worst light? PATTING. Learn the difference. You may win your argument with others. You will never win it with me. A pat on the butt is not sexual assault. Bring it to the DA for your definitive answer. And bring Kleenex with you so the DA can wipe away his tears of laughter.
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Try patting a strange 16 year old's butt in front of a policeman and see what happens. The law is clear that it is sexual assault.
 
americanwoman said:
Why do so many people think hugs are welcome?

Not saying it's sexual assault but I find hugs from people I am not close to, to be awkward and uncomfortable and even make me anxious sometimes. I don't like them. Yet, so many people think everyone wants a hug and that they are welcome.
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I would agree but according to some on this forum, that would qualify as sexual assault.
 
Bucky said:
David Copperfield LOL.

Come on. It is just an innocent grab. We have all done it.
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No we have not all grabbed someone else's butt. If someone other than my husband grabs mine, he's getting a hand to his face in self defense.
 
Bucky said:
So, if a man goes in for a hug to your daughter, is that considered sexual assault as well?
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There is a pretty distinct difference between hugging your daughter, and grabbing her butt.
 
americanwoman said:
Why do so many people think hugs are welcome?

Not saying it's sexual assault but I find hugs from people I am not close to, to be awkward and uncomfortable and even make me anxious sometimes. I don't like them. Yet, so many people think everyone wants a hug and that they are welcome.
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Yeah, hugs sometimes make me a bit uncomfortable, too. But maybe it's because I'm not that touchy of a person.
 
MaggieD said:
Praxas, please quote my post where Insaid grabbing was not assault. You are moving the goalposts. Just quote it, and you’ll have my apology for poor wording on my part.
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My pleasure, Here is what I posted, notice the bold?

Praxas said:
No, you stop it. Grabbing the butt of a 16 year old is sexual assault no matter how you cut it. Bucky says it's no big deal. My point stands and unless you support grabbing the butts of underage girls, I'd hope you would agree that sexual assault IS a big deal.
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To which you replied:
MaggieD said:
I don’t. Calling that sexual assault is ridiculous. Not a daddy in this world hasn’t done the same thing to his little girl. Hyperbolic nonsense that denigrates the real thing. And, no, that’s not racist.
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Again, I mentioned grabbing and you said, no that wasn't sexual assault. That's on you.
 
MaggieD said:
1.)What is your question?
2.)You are creating a make-believe scenario and assuming my answer to your specifics.
3.) Patting someone on the butt is not sexual assault. Period. And answer MINE.
4.) What do you think the Dana would say? Prosecute? Stop, you’re killin’ me.
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1.) it was very clear but ill repeat it
2.) wrong, if i was assuming i wouldn't be ASKING you to answer, i would make my assumption and that would be it.
3.) and sine patting somebody on the but CAN be sexual assault you are factually WRONG. period LMAO
4.) you didn't answer MY question yet, when you do ill answer anythign you want.

so here we go again, do not dodge it


simple scenario and question . . . we'll all see if im being to harsh on your wrong opinion

you know a girl now 35, you find out 10 years ago she was sexually assaulted by her boss, VERY popular and powerful CEO in say advertising. She was to scared to report, didnt think anybody would believe her and just knew her career would be over if she did. . . She left that company and now she works for a new company with you.

That new company gets a new CEO . . . its her old CEO. This causes her to panic and re-live that assault but now she is stronger, less afraid to call out this predator.

Is your advice to her honestly "be a responsible adult and dont say anything, to much time has passed" Yes or NO

because so far every post you made suggest your answer s YES that would be your advice, so please answer, thanks
 
americanwoman said:
Why do so many people think hugs are welcome?

Not saying it's sexual assault but I find hugs from people I am not close to, to be awkward and uncomfortable and even make me anxious sometimes. I don't like them. Yet, so many people think everyone wants a hug and that they are welcome.
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OMG, you would hate me, American Woman. Introduce me to your significant other for the first time at Thanksgiving, and, if YOU are my friend, it’s not, “So glad to meet you...” Not a two handed handshake. I’m in for the big hug and a “Welcome! I’m SO glad you’re here!”
 
AGENT J said:
1.) it was very clear but ill repeat it
2.) wrong, if i was assuming i wouldn't be ASKING you to answer, i would make my assumption and that would be it.
3.) and sine patting somebody on the but CAN be sexual assault you are factually WRONG. period LMAO
4.) you didn't answer MY question yet, when you do ill answer anythign you want.

so here we go again, do not dodge it


simple scenario and question . . . we'll all see if im being to harsh on your wrong opinion

you know a girl now 35, you find out 10 years ago she was sexually assaulted by her boss, VERY popular and powerful CEO in say advertising. She was to scared to report, didnt think anybody would believe her and just knew her career would be over if she did. . . She left that company and now she works for a new company with you.

That new company gets a new CEO . . . its her old CEO. This causes her to panic and re-live that assault but now she is stronger, less afraid to call out this predator.

Is your advice to her honestly "be a responsible adult and dont say anything, to much time has passed" Yes or NO

because so far every post you made suggest your answer s YES that would be your advice, so please answer, thanks
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I would say nothing unless it happened again. But then I would have addressed it the FIRST time, so hard to put myself in that position. There is nothing more effective to workplace harassment than consciously stopping, turning to face them, looking them straight in the eye and saying quietly, “Don’t you EVER do that again.” And THAT is what we should teach our daughters. Job be damned. Promotion be damned. It’s not rocket science. It’s called self-confidence. Teach it. Learn it.
 
MaggieD said:
I would say nothing unless it happened again.
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Thats not what I asked you, I asked you what would be your advice to your friend. Are you saying your advice to her would be don't say anything unless it happens again?
 
MaggieD said:
OMG, you would hate me, American Woman. Introduce me to your significant other for the first time at Thanksgiving, and, if YOU are my friend, it’s not, “So glad to meet you...” Not a two handed handshake. I’m in for the big hug and a “Welcome! I’m SO glad you’re here!”
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AH, the dreaded "big" hug! lol well friends get a little wiggle room in the hug department. I can stand for those it's more about the hugs from people I don't really know.
 
Praxas said:
My pleasure, Here is what I posted, notice the bold?



To which you replied:


Again, I mentioned grabbing and you said, no that wasn't sexual assault. That's on you.
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And you have my apology. I most definitely differentiate between a grab and a pat. My very bad.
 
AGENT J said:
Thats not what I asked you, I asked you what would be your advice to your friend. Are you saying your advice to her would be don't say anything unless it happens again?
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Okay, I can honestly say I would tell her to use her own judgement probably giving her both scenarios...”You could report it now or wait until it happened again.” Im not a real here’s what you should do kinda gal. Reason being, when most people ask for advice they are looking more for confirmation of what they already believe.
 
americanwoman said:
AH, the dreaded "big" hug! lol well friends get a little wiggle room in the hug department. I can stand for those it's more about the hugs from people I don't really know.
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And I agree with you there. Good! We shall have a Happy Thanksgiving together!” Whew!
 
Praxas said:
No, you stop it. Grabbing the butt of a 16 year old is sexual assault no matter how you cut it. Bucky says it's no big deal. My point stands and unless you support grabbing the butts of underage girls, I'd hope you would agree that sexual assault IS a big deal.
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What do you think should happen in this case?
 
MaggieD said:
Okay, I can honestly say I would tell her to use her own judgement probably giving her both scenarios...”You could report it now or wait until it happened again.” Im not a real here’s what you should do kinda gal. Reason being, when most people ask for advice they are looking more for confirmation of what they already believe.
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LOL total dodge

lets try this

1.)in this exact scenario what do you think would be would be the "responsible adult" thing to do?
2.) if she reported it what would be your opinion of her doing so? would you judge it as wrong and irresponsible? Im asking because thats most definitively what your post history here suggests.
 
AGENT J said:
LOL total dodge

lets try this

1.)in this exact scenario what do you think would be would be the "responsible adult" thing to do?
2.) if she reported it what would be your opinion of her doing so? would you judge it as wrong and irresponsible? Im asking because thats most definitively what your post history here suggests.
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OMG. Here. Take this baseball bat. Hit me over the head with it. Hahaha!

Responsible thing to do? Wait til next time.
If she reported it, I would not judge her as irresponsible or wrong.

Edit... I know three or four women who were sexually abused as children by a family member. Until and unless they got counseling, their self-talk is so destructive as to ruin the rest of their lives. Self talk is our anxiety mechanism, IMO. To live in constant anxiety is a TERRIBLE thing. And most other people don’t even know you have it.

“It was my fault.”
“I should have spoken up.”
“I told mom, she didn’t believe me.””He always said I liked it, maybe Inreally did.”
“I’m a terrible person.”

That **** can destroy one’s life. In the case of sexual assault, I don’t know what self-talk that woman is listening to in the dark of night. Only she knows that. And relief from THAT makes the difference between a happy life, and a life of self castigation and misery.
 
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MaggieD said:
OMG. Here. Take this baseball bat. Hit me over the head with it. Hahaha!

Responsible thing to do? Wait til next time.
If she reported it, I would not judge her as irresponsible or wrong.
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LOL like i said, im trying my best NOT to assue hence the questions ;)

so what logic makes waiting the "responsible thing to do" ?

. . what if she doesn't say anything and he does it to somebody else at the company? couldn't a case be made that it was irresponsible not to say anything?
 
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