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Blue Dogs eye comeback in 2018

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The Blue Dog Coalition, a fading wing of the Democratic Caucus in recent years, is leaning on a controversial ally as it tries to regain a toehold on power in the House: President Donald Trump.

The group of moderate and conservative Democrats, which was all but wiped out when Republicans swept the House in 2010, has been slowly rebuilding its membership.

And with Democrats eager to woo the white working-class voters who flocked to Trump, the coalition is prodding party leaders to support Blue Dog-backed candidates, saying that’s the key to taking back the House in 2018. It’s a push that is quickly running into conflict with the party’s energized left flank.

“People want to purify,” Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), one of the Blue Dog’s three co-chairs, said about the Democratic base’s surge to the left. “[But] without Blue Dogs, we don’t have a majority. That’s the bottom line.”
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/24/democrats-blue-dogs-eye-2018-comeback-240813

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Blue Dog Democrats will attract moderate Republicans--and you can now say bye-bye to the right and left wings of both parties. These are middle of the road politicians, which ruled this country since the 1930's up until the late 70's. They're conservative--hawkish--don't like Russians--and have a heart regarding the American people at the same time.
 
The much bigger story is that we are rapidly becoming disgusted with both parties.

Where this goes nobody knows
 
Blue-Dog DEMS making a comeback...

Compassionate-Conservatism unleashed...politicians who care about people and the needs of society in order for it to thrive, yet believes in free enterprise, free market capitalism and fiscal responsibility, and will enact legislation that suits the needs of society while also fostering economic growth and financial stewardship.

Yeah, I think I could get behind Blue-Dog DEMS as long as they keep that BIG TENT open to all comers.
 
The much bigger story is that we are rapidly becoming disgusted with both parties.

Where this goes nobody knows
We? Who is we!?You constantly sing praises for Trump.
You are not we.
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/24/democrats-blue-dogs-eye-2018-comeback-240813

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Blue Dog Democrats will attract moderate Republicans--and you can now say bye-bye to the right and left wings of both parties. These are middle of the road politicians, which ruled this country since the 1930's up until the late 70's. They're conservative--hawkish--don't like Russians--and have a heart regarding the American people at the same time.

Bill Clinton was essentially a Blue Dog Democrat as he was a DLC (New Democrat).
 
I probably fall into the Blue Dog category.
 
Bill Clinton was essentially a Blue Dog Democrat as he was a DLC (New Democrat).

except for his hard core anti gun views, I believe you are right. when he started mouthing class warfare in support of his tax hikes he strayed a bit as well too
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/24/democrats-blue-dogs-eye-2018-comeback-240813

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Blue Dog Democrats will attract moderate Republicans--and you can now say bye-bye to the right and left wings of both parties. These are middle of the road politicians, which ruled this country since the 1930's up until the late 70's. They're conservative--hawkish--don't like Russians--and have a heart regarding the American people at the same time.

FDR was a Blue Dog Democrat or a centrist? On what planet? Hell, even third-way/'New' Dems weren't really a force until the 80s and at most arguably the 70s.

Also progressives are in vogue among the Democratic party (and now comprise more than half of it), despite the very best and most desperate attempts of establishment darlings to suppress them and retain positions of control/leadership. Moreover, it was so-called 'Blue Dog' Democrats that were responsible for the party's historic losses, including against probably the worst presidential candidate the Republicans have ever fielded; where is this resurgence/comeback you're talking about? Success in Virginia doesn't suddenly mean that these corporate/third-way Dems are somehow on the path to supremacy.
 
except for his hard core anti gun views, I believe you are right. when he started mouthing class warfare in support of his tax hikes he strayed a bit as well too

Did he not leave the US with a budget surplus?
 
Blue dog democrats are boring and ineffective with bad ideas - part of the problem not the solutions. Whats needed are reformers and outsiders.
 
Blue dog democrats are boring and ineffective with bad ideas - part of the problem not the solutions. Whats needed are reformers and outsiders.

Be more specific what reforms too? We have an outsider sitting in the Oval office, and it's clearly not working out too well.
 
I probably fall into the Blue Dog category.

Moderate Republicans do to and they are the majority of the Republican party--so if Democrats put up good Blue Dog Candidates in 2018--Republicans in the Senate & House can kiss their seats good-bye.
 
Did he not leave the US with a budget surplus?

that's a rather complicated question given his good fortune of the dot com bubble, the corporate belt tightening under GHWB that showed results a couple years later and other things. whether clinton's tax hikes actually contributed to that is a debate that will never be resolved
 
Bill Clinton & Hillary Clinton are both Blue Dog Democrats.

Hillary-she might be a dog and she certainly is a democrat but she isn't a blue dog democrat no matter how you define it
 
Did he not leave the US with a budget surplus?

Let's keep it real; the majority of that was directly attributable to the tech boom which Clinton had no control or influence over, though he did do the responsible thing in increasing taxes during boom times to his credit.
 
Hillary-she might be a dog and she certainly is a democrat but she isn't a blue dog democrat no matter how you define it

Yes she is, she's actually more conservative than Donald Trump. Trump who campaigned on single payer health care, bragged about being the Debt King, who loves debt and loves imminent domain, and actually proposed child care subsidies aka another Obamacare type program during the campaign is not a Republican much less a Conservative.
Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy - Breitbart
Donald Trump: 'I'm the king of debt' - May. 5, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...use-of-eminent-domain/?utm_term=.74ddcfb60559
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-proposing-child-care-subsidies-1473798499

Hillary Clinton used to be a Republican actually working on the Barry Goldwater campaign who was far right. In fact that scared off a lot of Sanders supporters--because they believed her to be too conservative. She campaigned on the budget & the deficit, you just didn't hear it.
 
Yes she is, she's actually more conservative than Donald Trump. Trump who campaigned on single payer health care, bragged about being the Debt King, who loves debt and loves imminent domain, and actually proposed child care subsidies aka another Obamacare type program during the campaign is not a Republican much less a Conservative.
Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy - Breitbart
Donald Trump: 'I'm the king of debt' - May. 5, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...use-of-eminent-domain/?utm_term=.74ddcfb60559
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-proposing-child-care-subsidies-1473798499

Hillary Clinton used to be a Republican actually working on the Barry Goldwater campaign who was far right. In fact that scared off a lot of Sanders supporters--because they believed her to be too conservative. She campaigned on the budget & the deficit, you just didn't hear it.

Hillary tried to pay lip service to Blue Dog Dem ideals, but she was so obviously a Corporate Donor Class Ass Kissing Dem that it just lost her even more credibility. The corporate dems are also moderate/centrist, why let something like ideals get in the way of money? Sit on the fence, lean a little when you have to so gravity pulls you towards the money.

And the Sanders camp saw her the same way, a corporate donor class dem. To this day it is still grossly underestimated how many voters supported Bernie solely because he vowed to take the money out of politics. And how many of those voters stayed home or believed Trump's lies in November.
 
Yes she is, she's actually more conservative than Donald Trump. Trump who campaigned on single payer health care, bragged about being the Debt King, who loves debt and loves imminent domain, and actually proposed child care subsidies aka another Obamacare type program during the campaign is not a Republican much less a Conservative.
Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy - Breitbart
Donald Trump: 'I'm the king of debt' - May. 5, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...use-of-eminent-domain/?utm_term=.74ddcfb60559
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-proposing-child-care-subsidies-1473798499

Hillary Clinton used to be a Republican actually working on the Barry Goldwater campaign who was far right. In fact that scared off a lot of Sanders supporters--because they believed her to be too conservative. She campaigned on the budget & the deficit, you just didn't hear it.

she's a wall street whore which is why some of the luddite or anarcho-syndicalist types on the left claim she's conservative. Being a greedy pig is neither left nor right
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/24/democrats-blue-dogs-eye-2018-comeback-240813

Blue Dog Democrats will attract moderate Republicans--and you can now say bye-bye to the right and left wings of both parties. These are middle of the road politicians, which ruled this country since the 1930's up until the late 70's. They're conservative--hawkish--don't like Russians--and have a heart regarding the American people at the same time.

I looked up Cueller's age, out of curiosity.

No surprise to find out he's a senior citizen.

Look, that's cool and everything. Organize, lobby for your cause, etc, be free.

But they are absolutely wrong about this being a winning strategy for the future of the DNC.

Despite the clear message sent the other night in this off-year election, it seems Democrats are still not getting it.

The blue side of the country does not want the old DNC that caters to off-beat center-righties, neocons, and people who would be Republicans "but for one issue." They are done with that.

Millenials, who are sometimes also called Echo Boomers for very good reason, are the largest generation in America history, and every one of them is now an adult. The oldest of them are of the age where they have families, mortgages, and where they could run for president if they wanted to. They are NOT Blue Dogs. They are bona fide progressives.

Several them ran last night, and they won.

The aging wing of the DNC needs to wake up from their collective delusion and realize they are still ignoring the single biggest collection of potential voters they have ever had.
 
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I'm still not convinced.

I still see too many Middle Class Republicans willing to serve the rich's interest by backing trickle down, and killing ACA. Many said they voted for Trump because he was anti-elite and anti-establishment because they were tired of the rich and Corps. running the country and buying both parties. But they still defend the establishment GOP agenda of benefiting the rich and Corps at the expense of the Middle Class and blue collar worker.

They whine about MC wages staying stagnant. But then they vote for politicians who are doing everything to keep those wages stagnant. And then defend those politicians even after seeing how 'elitist' they really are.
 
that's a rather complicated question given his good fortune of the dot com bubble, the corporate belt tightening under GHWB that showed results a couple years later and other things. whether clinton's tax hikes actually contributed to that is a debate that will never be resolved

Whether tax rate increases also increase revenue is not really a debate except among right wingers who choose to ignore all the actual evidence in favor of crackpot theories contradicted by the evidence. If there is a debate, on one side is Math, and on the other side Magic Money Tree and we have a major party embracing the Magic Money Tree as legitimate theory.

There are legitimate differences of opinion about the size of government, and therefore the tax rates needed to sustain it, but there is no rational case that we can GROW government, and increase spending by CUTTING tax rates. It's just nonsense.
 
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