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Texas killer was able to buy guns because of Air Force lapse

The domestic abuse felony included fracturing the skull of his stepson. According to what I have read the shooter spent over a year in the brig for his actions. How in the heck could that have not been reported correctly? Unless of course just like any profession, job etc. there are always those who are not worth their weight in salt. They show up to work, their lights are on but they are not home.

That should have been an attempted murder charge and the dude should have still been in prison.
 
It would be a simple database query to set up.
It would require that the information was input into the databases to start with.

Correct me if I misread the article, but I was under the impression that this was in the Air Force's records, but not the FBI's. Wouldn't a simple automated query take care of everything?
 
Human error is certainly something we have to live with, and this problem is exasperated in bureacracies - the bigger they are, the more likely an error is, and the more significant an error can be. What I'm interested in is how best to institute a system, preferably automated, to check for discrepancies like this and bring them up for manual review. Please see the above post, and tell me what you think.

What you suggest is a no-brainer if the armed forces allow that to happen. And they certainly should. This kind of lapses simply MUST teach us SOMETHING. If we can’t plug this hole? Our gvmt is worthless.
 
That should have been an attempted murder charge and the dude should have still been in prison.

I certainly think an evil act such as that would have a stronger sentence than a little over a year. This whole story is just so very sad.
 
The domestic abuse felony included fracturing the skull of his stepson. According to what I have read the shooter spent over a year in the brig for his actions. How in the heck could that have not been reported correctly? Unless of course just like any profession, job etc. there are always those who are not worth their weight in salt. They show up to work, their lights are on but they are not home.




How he only got a year for crushing an infants skull boggle the mind.
 
I certainly think an evil act such as that would have a stronger sentence than a little over a year. This whole story is just so very sad.

I agree. It supports my idea that if they're too dangerous to own a gun, they should already be in prison.
 
Hundreds of military personnel commit suicide every year, many who have not even been deployed. So, without question every one of them is mentally disturbed in some fashion. That leaves us to only guess at how many serving are borderline. That are known to have issues. But the military is still loathe, depending on the command, to take action.

I too request a bit of substantiation for that claim.

I know that by about 2005, 2 years into Iraq, the number of casualties from suicide exceed the number from hostile fire, but one is to expect that in an illegitimate war.

How do you know that even those never deployed had the same suicide rate?
 
I too request a bit of substantiation for that claim.

I know that by about 2005, 2 years into Iraq, the number of casualties from suicide exceed the number from hostile fire, but one is to expect that in an illegitimate war.

How do you know that even those never deployed had the same suicide rate?

Let me see your basis for this absurd statement.
 
Correct me if I misread the article, but I was under the impression that this was in the Air Force's records, but not the FBI's. Wouldn't a simple automated query take care of everything?

The Air Force was supposed to enter the conviction into the national database, but failed to do so.
 
Let me see your basis for this absurd statement.

Without going through the entire book to find it right now, that information was gleaned from the book by Rory Fanning entitled "Worth Fighting For", an Army Ranger's Journey out of the military and Across America.

Having done my time in Vietnam and witnessed the fragging of officers so popular in that "police action", I have no trouble believing that. At some point in the GWOT several source reported that the rate of suicide amongst soldiers was twice the rate of suicide in the population in general.

Going back over your post, I see you made red "but one is to expect that in an illegitimate war". Is that the part you want me to defend?
 
Without going through the entire book to find it right now, that information was gleaned from the book by Rory Fanning entitled "Worth Fighting For", an Army Ranger's Journey out of the military and Across America.

Having done my time in Vietnam and witnessed the fragging of officers so popular in that "police action", I have no trouble believing that. At some point in the GWOT several source reported that the rate of suicide amongst soldiers was twice the rate of suicide in the population in general.

Going back over your post, I see you made red "but one is to expect that in an illegitimate war". Is that the part you want me to defend?

Yes defend it, because it was completely legal by legislation from Congress. Your emotional opinion doesn't change it.
 
Yes defend it, because it was completely legal by legislation from Congress. Your emotional opinion doesn't change it.

Apparently you did not realize it at the time, but I did----AUMF was sophistry. That is because under Article II of the Constitution POTUS can do whatever he wants with the US military as he is C-in-C. As FDR put it, POTUS can wage war, but he cannot declare war.

Moreover, Bush & Co brought the war under fraud and deception.

If Congress wanted it to be legitimate, it would have declared war in accordance with constitutional provisions. It did not, and there is a reason for that.
 
Yesterday I posted this. "Hundreds of military personnel commit suicide every year, many who have not even been deployed. So, without question every one of them is mentally disturbed in some fashion. That leaves us to only guess at how many serving are borderline. That are known to have issues. But the military is still loathe, depending on the command, to take action."

Some have read that as to mean all service members are mentally disturbed. I don't believe it reads that way, and I don't believe I have a history that would lead anyone to assume I would say that.
But, just to be clear. I meant that any service member who commits suicide is obviously mentally disturbed in some fashion. I didn't call them crazy or whacko or demean them in any fashion. For cryin' out loud, I was one.
 
Apparently you did not realize it at the time, but I did----AUMF was sophistry. That is because under Article II of the Constitution POTUS can do whatever he wants with the US military as he is C-in-C. As FDR put it, POTUS can wage war, but he cannot declare war.

Moreover, Bush & Co brought the war under fraud and deception.

If Congress wanted it to be legitimate, it would have declared war in accordance with constitutional provisions. It did not, and there is a reason for that.

There is no prescribed method for declaring war.
 
Correct me if I misread the article, but I was under the impression that this was in the Air Force's records, but not the FBI's. Wouldn't a simple automated query take care of everything?

Probably an air Force query and subsequent data transfer to the FBI would be my guess.
 
There is no prescribed method for declaring war.

Article I Section 8 of the USC contradicts that claim. Somehow the US Congress managed to follow the prescribed method on December 8, 1941 and at other times in our history.

For an informed citizenry, being familiar with the document and the law is a good thing. Being ignorant of it makes it more difficult to "keep the Republic" as mentioned by Ben Franklin.
 
Article I Section 8 of the USC contradicts that claim. Somehow the US Congress managed to follow the prescribed method on December 8, 1941 and at other times in our history.

For an informed citizenry, being familiar with the document and the law is a good thing. Being ignorant of it makes it more difficult to "keep the Republic" as mentioned by Ben Franklin.
The republic is embodied in the Congress, who approved the use of force. If you don't like that, take it up with your representative. They have emails, try using them.
 
The republic is embodied in the Congress, who approved the use of force. If you don't like that, take it up with your representative. They have emails, try using them.

I would not expect you to know this, but I'm on a first name basis with the lady that runs the local office of my representative. I like telephone calls better than junk mail.

You are a romantic dreamer, having faith that your elected representatives in Congress really give a damn what you or I think, ESPECIALLY about war.

Congress abdicated its constitutional obligations regarding war, and anybody familiar with the constitution, and aware of our 16th year of war under fraud and without declaration knows that.
 
I would not expect you to know this, but I'm on a first name basis with the lady that runs the local office of my representative. I like telephone calls better than junk mail.

You are a romantic dreamer, having faith that your elected representatives in Congress really give a damn what you or I think, ESPECIALLY about war.

Congress abdicated its constitutional obligations regarding war, and anybody familiar with the constitution, and aware of our 16th year of war under fraud and without declaration knows that.

You're such a name dropper. First name basis, how wonderful for you. :lol: "Congress abdicated its constitutional obligations...." <<< true for many reason much worse than the war you're bitching about.
 
You're such a name dropper. First name basis, how wonderful for you. :lol: "Congress abdicated its constitutional obligations...." <<< true for many reason much worse than the war you're bitching about.

Such a candid admission on your part--Congress has and does abdicate and otherwise dodge its obligations. What, I am NOT supposed to bitch about it?

Am I supposed to pretend that they really are "esteemed colleagues"? You can do that sir, but I will continue bitching. Take off your rose-colored glasses, and wake up and smell the napalm. GWOT is a fraud of epic proportions, and the last thing congress cares about is what the people think or feel. This isn't democracy, it's oligarchy and fascism.
 
Such a candid admission on your part--Congress has and does abdicate and otherwise dodge its obligations. What, I am NOT supposed to bitch about it?

Am I supposed to pretend that they really are "esteemed colleagues"? You can do that sir, but I will continue bitching. Take off your rose-colored glasses, and wake up and smell the napalm. GWOT is a fraud of epic proportions, and the last thing congress cares about is what the people think or feel. This isn't democracy, it's oligarchy and fascism.

You can bitch all you want, but the approval to use force after 9/11 is as close as you're going to get. BTW, we don't have a democracy, when will you get that through your head?
 
You can bitch all you want, but the approval to use force after 9/11 is as close as you're going to get. BTW, we don't have a democracy, when will you get that through your head?

The approval to use force ALREADY EXISTED in Article II Section 2. That is why the AUMF was nothing but pernicious sophistry. That you don't know that simply illustrates how unfamiliar with the document you are.

The Constitution is burning, and you and most other americans have not a clue about it, even as our "elected representatives" take overt action to assure its complete destruction.
 
it should be comforting to all to know that an entity such as The US Air Force, that has the capability to end life as we know it on planet Earth, allowed some frickin nut the access to a weapon used in a mass murder of Christians in a church

I can't wait until they really **** up ...................
 
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