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McCain: We must fight 'propaganda and crackpot conspiracy theories'

Not hardly and don't curse me again.

You are not hardly better than Trump? I think you are. I think Putin is better than Trump.

And why are the "very conservative" around here now the most sensitive? I think there is a lot of disappointed bitterness involved.
 
He laid down his own track-record, Lovebug.

He should behave, no doubt, but for all I know, history will be the judge on his presidency. I don't buy into the rumors and the gossip floating about. Reps should have given us someone better to vote for, but I am blaming the Dems (not the Russians) for making us choose either Trump or 3rd party (in my case), because Madame Clinton was too difficult to swallow.
Trump might play everyone, he might not accomplish much, but he sure has his ear to the middle and lower class. Hearing the dissatisfaction about immigration, outsourcing etc was clever. People like to be heard, not dismissed as idiots by elitists. Something to think about when next we hear and read that all Trump supporters are idiot low class morons. Being preached to by those who know so much better than the average Joe leaves a bitter taste for most.
Fair game during the elections. May be all politicians should interview people on the street instead of Hollywood and college profs and their ever unhappy students.
We are being played by those in power, the ones who made a living deciding for us, and it makes no difference if they have an R or a D behind their names. Power corrupts. Power affords many privileges, as Trump openly admitted. Don't blame just him, he isn't the only one. He just sticks out because he is a thorn in the flesh of most politicians, left or right.
Sorry for the typos, I'm in a hurry.
 
McCain and his compadres have been thriving on propaganda and made a fine and powerful position for themselves. Now that an outsider threatens their comfy loft, they are getting antsy.
I am not defending Trump by any means, but lets face it, our career politicians never had a real challenge.
The Reps who are speaking out seek reelection, or in Mc's case, a legacy.

Yes, you ARE defending Trump. Trump is NOT an 'outsider'. He's got millions to believe he's anti-elitist and anti-establishment. But that's just a con job.

His gold plated bathrooms prove he's nothing but an elitist, and establishment billionaire from 1 of the most elitist places in the world, Manhattan. And please, don't write back saying your talking about politics, not his wealth and money.

Because it is the SAME THING!

I am ALL FOR tearing down the 2 party, broken system we have now. But believe me, Donald Trump is NOT the guy to do that.
 
He should behave, no doubt, but for all I know, history will be the judge on his presidency. I don't buy into the rumors and the gossip floating about. Reps should have given us someone better to vote for, but I am blaming the Dems (not the Russians) for making us choose either Trump or 3rd party (in my case), because Madame Clinton was too difficult to swallow.
Trump might play everyone, he might not accomplish much, but he sure has his ear to the middle and lower class. Hearing the dissatisfaction about immigration, outsourcing etc was clever. People like to be heard, not dismissed as idiots by elitists. Something to think about when next we hear and read that all Trump supporters are idiot low class morons. Being preached to by those who know so much better than the average Joe leaves a bitter taste for most.
Fair game during the elections. May be all politicians should interview people on the street instead of Hollywood and college profs and their ever unhappy students.
We are being played by those in power, the ones who made a living deciding for us, and it makes no difference if they have an R or a D behind their names. Power corrupts. Power affords many privileges, as Trump openly admitted. Don't blame just him, he isn't the only one. He just sticks out because he is a thorn in the flesh of most politicians, left or right.
Sorry for the typos, I'm in a hurry.
I'm much less sanguine on Trump's benevolence for us; I see him as a con man.

But you do have a valid point, in that the Dems also gave us Trump.

And you are right in that the two parties are anathema. The big problem though, is Duverger's Law states our form of government will always devolve to two major parties, which I find a depressing thought.

Wikipedia: Duverger's Law
 
Sen. Romney will look very good replacing Sen. Hatch, who trump has now lost. Lee's another asshole like Cruz that needs to go. Get used to saying Sen. O'Rourke ...

Romney former Governor of Massachusetts is now changing his residency to Utah to become the first person ever to become a governor or senator
of two different states. This guy will go anywhere where he thinks his message might work. If that is the case, he reminds me of
Mikheil Saakashvili a former Georgian and former Ukrainian politician. Who was forced to leave both countries as a persona-non-grata.
Thrist out of every society he tried to intrude into Saakashvili happens to be the best friend McCain ever had in McCain's doomed foreign
policy indulgences.

Good for Romney he'll go down in Ripley's 'believe it or not' book. Maybe in a few years even the Mormons will get tired of him and
he'll resurface in Michigan where his father was governor and a 2X failed presidential candidate like his son. I doubt Romney will
have a significant negitive influence on matters anymore even as a senator, he certainly didn't have a large forum for his ideas in 2016.
 
And you are right in that the two parties are anathema. The big problem though, is Duverger's Law states our form of government will always devolve to two major parties, which I find a depressing thought.

Wikipedia: Duverger's Law

The political duopoly could end if the Libertarian party would put up someone other then a tongue-wagging pothead.
 
I agree. I saw this pretty much as political grandstanding rather than any kind of useful information. Nobody, and I mean nobody, is as firmly dug into the permanent political class in Washington as is McCain and he isn't about to rock any boat that interferes with that.

The funny thing is that people who completely trashed him in myriad ways when he was running against Barack Obama are now singing his praises when he appears to be dissing President Trump. Intellectual honesty is often very difficult to come by these days.

McCain has never been accused of having more than a room temperature IQ. He's been a dope his whole life. Only got into Annapolis since
his daddy and granddaddy were Admirals. Graduated at the rock bottom from Annapolis. Crashed 3 planes in the Navy before getting shot down in Vietnam.
Divorced his loyal and loving 1st wife to marry a bleach-blonde Budweiser home-wrecking heiress after he was elected to public office.
Avoided prosecution with his involvement in the Keating Five (he should have gone to jail). Openly supported ISIS 2 years ago & a key player
in the USS Forrestal disaster where over 50 sailors died aboard the carrier.

The type of guy even Dems would despise if it wasn't for his hatred & jealousy of Trump.
 
The political duopoly could end if the Libertarian party would put up someone other then a tongue-wagging pothead.
I don't see it. Though with some of the hard Right pull in the GOP, it might be a little closer.

I believe pure Libertarianism is too harsh for most American's tastes. The country as a whole prefers a dose of social governance, whether they know it or not.
 
If Obama had said it, you would be defending him.

No, I'd be laughing at him just as I would at any president exhibiting such unprofessional and childish behavior (btw, I did not vote for Obama the three times I could have voted for him.)


Why not just be honest and admit that you don't like him because he's a Conservative and/or he isn't a member of the political class?

LOL.
 
His argument would work better if Washington politicians, of which he is a leader, had been found doing their work in recent years, and if the Elite Class as a whole but particularly the so-called journalists had not for so long pushed propaganda rather than truth.
 
No, I'd be laughing at him just as I would at any president exhibiting such unprofessional and childish behavior (btw, I did not vote for Obama the three times I could have voted for him.)




LOL.

Suuuuuuure you would. :lamo
 
I didn't think that McCain or Romney were right for America, and I'm glad I voted for Obama both times. Praising McCain and Romney aren't signs of hypocrisy or lack of intellectual honesty, but that the bar has fallen so low that McCain and Romney are looking pretty good right now.

I'll start pushing Gov. Christie as Pence's VP. He's available, and he's smart, when he controls his bombastic mouth. Two GOP governors is about the best we can do right now. Kasich and Romney are two more, though Baker is probably the best of all GOP governors. Leave Ryan as the Speaker so he can be the 2nd one ever to lose a reelection.
 
The political duopoly could end if the Libertarian party would put up someone other then a tongue-wagging pothead.

To your Pot comment, None other than the Ultra Conservative American Legion passed a resolution on 08.25.2017 to push this administration to legalize medical marihuana for PTSD Veterans, fed up with psychotropics and opioids ...
 
If Obama had said it, you would be defending him. Why not just be honest and admit that you don't like him because he's a Conservative and/or he isn't a member of the political class?

Imagine your response if Obama had trump's yesterday ...
 
Most of his wounds are self inflicted.
And the rest, if not caused by his ignorance & stupidity, has been caused by his arrogant abrasive nature.

Back in my old neighborhood, we called guys like him:

"The kind of guy you like to burn"
 
I'll start pushing Gov. Christie as Pence's VP. He's available, and he's smart, when he controls his bombastic mouth. Two GOP governors is about the best we can do right now. Kasich and Romney are two more, though Baker is probably the best of all GOP governors. Leave Ryan as the Speaker so he can be the 2nd one ever to lose a reelection.
Isn't he still under investigation?
 
We should give everyone the benefit of the doubt, except Trump. Right?

The benefit of the doubt has a shelf life. Trump squandered his long ago and he has to do it the hard way from now on.
It's gonna take some hardcore class, for quite awhile, before he earns back that benefit.
 
Yet, the extremist conspiracists and corrupt establishment are two sides of the same coin and playing one another up as these massive evil entities is only provoking hysteria, widening the divide and further radicalizing the state of American politics as the hole they are digging with one another grows deeper and irresponsibly and maniacally pulls many many innocent bystanders and people trying to live normal lives down with them. Hell, I was following politics before it was cool but now almost everyone is talking about Trump and listening to the news and just all-in-all slipping into hysteria all because these ****HEAD MORONS TOOK OVER OUR ****ING GOVERNMENT!
 
The political duopoly could end if the Libertarian party would put up someone other then a tongue-wagging pothead.

The Libertarian Party also needs to be more libertarian when it comes to things like social contract that don't WANT illegal drugs in their community, who WANT secure borders, and who WANT to display their Christian (or whatever) heritage without harassment.

Even a truly amazing Libertarian who agrees with all that though will still have to deal with the permanent political class in Washington. He won't have any easier time of it than Trump has had if he tries to shake up the status quo.
 
The Libertarian Party also needs to be more libertarian when it comes to things like social contract that don't WANT illegal drugs in their community, who WANT secure borders, and who WANT to display their Christian (or whatever) heritage without harassment.

Even a truly amazing Libertarian who agrees with all that though will still have to deal with the permanent political class in Washington. He won't have any easier time of it than Trump has had if he tries to shake up the status quo.

Libertarians want drugs to be illegal? Why?
 
Libertarians want drugs to be illegal? Why?

No, most Libertarians want recreational drugs to be legal. Certainly the recent candidates they have run for high office had advocated for that. But I am for people organizing the sorts of societies they wish to have and living as they choose to live and if that includes a drug free society or whatever, that's what they should have. We can argue til the cows come home whether something is possible or a good thing to obtain or whether the unintended negative consequences will outweigh any good, but if it turns out to be a bad thing, the people can then change their minds and do it differently.

The fact that it hasn't worked there or there or somewhere doesn't matter. If the people are going to govern themselves--a libertarian concept--then they should be able to ban whatever they want to ban as well as allow whatever they want to allow.
 
No, most Libertarians want recreational drugs to be legal. Certainly the recent candidates they have run for high office had advocated for that. But I am for people organizing the sorts of societies they wish to have and living as they choose to live and if that includes a drug free society or whatever, that's what they should have. We can argue til the cows come home whether something is possible or a good thing to obtain or whether the unintended negative consequences will outweigh any good, but if it turns out to be a bad thing, the people can then change their minds and do it differently.

The fact that it hasn't worked there or there or somewhere doesn't matter. If the people are going to govern themselves--a libertarian concept--then they should be able to ban whatever they want to ban as well as allow whatever they want to allow.

Well, in the first place, prohibition doesn't work. You've had it for a hundred years or so and all it's accomplished is to make America the most incarcerated nation on earth and to make some really nasty, despicable bastards very wealthy. There's no saying it can still be done, you can still get it right. Can't happen.
In the second place, it's a mistake to try to design a society through legislation. That too is doomed to fail.
This isn't libertarianism you're talking about, it's just garden-variety conservatism.
 
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