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Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably [W:255]

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This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
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The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
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The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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Maybe it's his 5 deferments and statement that his Vietnam sacrifice was staying clear of STDs
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
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The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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I'm not surprised - southerners (who tend to be more conservative) are overrepresented in the enlisted ranks, and the enlisted ranks by their nature have a lower educational attainment level than the officer corps.

What's more, officers are expected to be truthful, and are expected to take responsibility for the actions of their subordinates...and both of those factors seem to be anathema to Trump.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I'm not surprised - southerners (who tend to be more conservative) are overrepresented in the enlisted ranks, and the enlisted ranks by their nature have a lower educational attainment level than the officer corps.

What's more, officers are expected to be truthful, and are expected to take responsibility for the actions of their subordinates...and both of those factors seem to be anathema to Trump.
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What he said!


And there is that “conduct unbecoming” thing!
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
...
The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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no surprise to me; why in Hell would someone in the US military have a favorable view of insanity?


on another note: I'm sure some DP yahoo will come along & tell you that Military Times is funded by leftist Nazi George Soros ..............
 
"More than half of troops surveyed in the latest Military Times/Institute for Veterans and Military Families poll said they have an unfavorable opinion of Obama and his two-terms leading the military. About 36 percent said they approve of his job as commander in chief."

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ver-here-s-how-the-military-rates-his-legacy/

At the end of the day...we dont have the luxury of giving much of a **** about our 'opinion' of who the American people select as our Commander in Chief. And really...You dont want us to. Thats not how our system works. Thats also why we dont go to war for our president or congress, or even for our country. We choose to join the all voluntary military and we go to war and fight for the guy fighting beside us.
 
Media_Truth said:
A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:
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Well of course. If you're nothing, but a human shield you don't really have to be all that bright. To become an officer usually requires at least a little bit more intelligence. You have to think more about the big picture. All we really want out of the typical enlisted person is a loyal attack dog that will happily take a bullet for what they believe is the greatest most perfect country in the world. The generals and higher ups actually have to think about higher level concepts like how do we improve Americas perception in the world so we don't have so many enemies to fight.
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
...
The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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They liked Kennedy and he got them into Vietnam.
 
Perhaps it's Trumps totally uncool public arguments with Gold Star families.
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me.
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Not really surprising to me. I know a decent number of people who have an unfavorable view regarding Donald Trump.

The issue is assuming that having an unfavorable view of Donald Trump with having a favorable view of all the attacks on him, disagreeing with him on all things policy, believing he is unfit/shouldn't be President, or supporting the notion that someone else should be President instead of him.

My sister and mother were both Trump voters; if asked about their opinion of the man from a neutral source, I have zero doubt based on how they talk about him that they'd both indicate they have an unfavorable opinion of him.

I brought this up often during the primary. One of the primary reasons I think traditional polls and methods of judging thing is politically with Trump is because unlike most instances with politicians, Trump garnered what I described as "He's an asshole, BUT...". Some people liked him despite being an asshole. Some people actually found the fact he was an asshole refreshing despite it also being a bit of a put off. Where as normally in politics, being unlikable also means lacking the ability to garner support.
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
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The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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Why would military experts have any respect for that dotard? He is a loose cannon, an easily-angered president, and an all-around fool. Not a good combination for someone who has access to the nuclear codes.
 
MrWonka said:
Well of course. If you're nothing, but a human shield you don't really have to be all that bright. To become an officer usually requires at least a little bit more intelligence. You have to think more about the big picture. All we really want out of the typical enlisted person is a loyal attack dog that will happily take a bullet for what they believe is the greatest most perfect country in the world. The generals and higher ups actually have to think about higher level concepts like how do we improve Americas perception in the world so we don't have so many enemies to fight.
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Well...that's debatable.

Your view of the enlisted ranks shows a high level of ignorance of how our armed services work.
 
Phys251 said:
Why would military experts have any respect for that dotard? He is a loose cannon, an easily-angered president, and an all-around fool. Not a good combination for someone who has access to the nuclear codes.
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His numbers are better that Obama's.
 
Phys251 said:
Why would military experts have any respect for that dotard? He is a loose cannon, an easily-angered president, and an all-around fool. Not a good combination for someone who has access to the nuclear codes.
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As pointed out above, the statistics regarding Trump are pretty much identical to the statistics regarding the Obama administration exit polling among military.

So...how do you reconcile that?
 
apdst said:
His numbers are better that Obama's.
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Its going to be REALLY fun to watch the tap dance that comes next.......
 
Media_Truth said:
This is surprising to me. I assumed the military had a higher opinion of Trump.

Poll: Majority of military officers view Trump unfavorably | TheHill

A majority of U.S. military officers have an unfavorable view of President Trump, according to a survey released this week by the Military Times.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they hold an unfavorable opinion of the commander in chief, while about 31 percent said they view him favorably. Sixteen percent said they were neutral on the matter.


He fares better with enlisted personnel:

According to the Military Times poll, Trump's favorability is higher among enlisted military personnel, at about 47 percent. Just under 37 percent of those polled view him unfavorably.
...
The Military Times survey of 1,100 active-duty troops was conducted in September and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.
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"A standard methodology was used to estimate the weights for each individual observation of the survey sample."

Cool, but what was it? Where is the ACTUAL methodology? How was the sample size solicited? How was rank verified? You can't just leave a poll open online and then expect to draw any useful data from the respondents as representative of the general population being tested. Those polls have the same basic broken methodology as any internet poll.

A proper poll picks a random selection of troops and then reports the % base don the respondents that were picked. This poll was a voluntary online poll where the only numbers they counted were the people who chose to participate at all. The standard within the military is to remain neutral and to not state your opinion. Hell, many retired military take that so seriously that they don't even vote. I find the use of a voluntary poll for this population to be highly dubious with respect to its usefulness.
 
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joG said:
They liked Kennedy and he got them into Vietnam.
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You need to read a few more pages of the history book!
 
apdst said:
Well...that's debatable.

Your view of the enlisted ranks shows a high level of ignorance of how our armed services work.
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Well, generally speaking he is correct. You have to have a significantly higher ASVAB score to become an officer than to enlist. Though there are certainly specific enlisted MOSs that require an equally high ASVAB score as officers.
 
I'm not surprised. I just hope Trump doesn't try to get back at military officers now. Seems like any time he hears anyone has said something unfavorable about him, he tries to get back at them, and just won't leave it alone. Sticks and stones...unless you are Donald Trump.
 
VanceMack said:
As pointed out above, the statistics regarding Trump are pretty much identical to the statistics regarding the Obama administration exit polling among military.

So...how do you reconcile that?
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The Obama numbers are not surprising. As a matter-of-fact, I would expect them to be much, much lower. It seems to me that the military votes predominantly Republican.

I decided to look a little further, and found that, since 2005, the military shift is away from Republican. The number of Independents is 3x the number of Democrats, which is only about 9%, which makes it even more surprising that Obama's approval would be anywhere near Trump's.

Less Than Half Of The Military Identifies As Republican

Only 43.8 Percent of Military Identify As Republican, Down From 56 Percent In 2005...
 
Media_Truth said:
The Obama numbers are not surprising. As a matter-of-fact, I would expect them to be much, much lower. It seems to me that the military votes predominantly Republican.

I decided to look a little further, and found that, since 2005, the military shift is away from Republican. The number of Independents is 3x the number of Democrats, which is only about 9%, which makes it even more surprising that Obama's approval would be anywhere near Trump's.

Less Than Half Of The Military Identifies As Republican

Only 43.8 Percent of Military Identify As Republican, Down From 56 Percent In 2005...
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The military is a snapshot of society. More and more, people are refusing to identify with EITHER political party.

End of the day...the story in the OP is irrelevant.
 
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