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Juan Williams: Trump is becoming a failed president

Define a legislative 'achievement' then.

Here's the first definition I came across with the Google:

a·chieve·ment
1. a thing done successfully, typically by effort, courage, or skill.

Add "legislative" on the front and there you go.

If you want to point to something on that list and claim it's an "achievement" then be my guest, but racking up a number, 53!!, of stuff that based on my quick review won't be remembered NEXT MONTH, much less in a couple of years doesn't, IMO, count as a record of legislative "achievements."

To be clear, I'm not arguing Trump has none. Some people might think pulling out of the Pacific trade agreement is an "achievement" or these EOs this week, or being not-Obama is a huge achievement. I don't but someone may. I was just pointing out your list was a weak argument.
 
Here's the first definition I came across with the Google:



Add "legislative" on the front and there you go.

If you want to point to something on that list and claim it's an "achievement" then be my guest, but racking up a number, 53!!, of stuff that based on my quick review won't be remembered NEXT MONTH, much less in a couple of years doesn't, IMO, count as a record of legislative "achievements."

To be clear, I'm not arguing Trump has none. Some people might think pulling out of the Pacific trade agreement is an "achievement" or these EOs this week, or being not-Obama is a huge achievement. I don't but someone may. I was just pointing out your list was a weak argument.

We shall agree to disagree then. I don't think it was weak. :)
 
Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
Obama's legacy - President Donald Trump

Okay and so tell us the liberal side.

We lost the House, Senate and the White-house and over a thousand seats across the country in just 8 yrs.
 
I'm less generous - I'd argue them failing to get anything done is incompetence.

Ya likely, but see they have no interest in getting better, because this helps in the unloading of the parasite.

They are the bum in the back of the class and the back of the bus, failing because they like it.
 
I may have been terribly wrong

Nah, you weren't wrong. The only thing the guy has really done so far is run his mouth. He has flipped on just about every shallow slogan of his campaign trail because he either never even cared about them or discovered soon enough that most of his off-the-cuff nonsense was impractical. He entered the White House expecting to throw tantrums in order to get his way. This has not worked out. He actually merely represents the routine in America. Americans often run their mouths about "walls" or "anti-Muslim laws," but its everywhere else where governments actually do these things.

I suspect that conservatives will be eager to move on in three years. Right now they are just soothing their conflicted emotions and wounded prides. This is why they cheer whenever he tweets another idiocy. It's like they are lashing out in self-flagellation. If he continues this way, he will go down in history somewhere in the bottom half because he won't have done anything to merit a best or worse position. I don't see the GOP endorsing him. It won't be the first time a Party looked at their seated president and said "you got to go."

It has become clear Trump is deliberately sabotaging the talks so he can run on a "failed NAFTA" next fall.

Well, I do not think he is wrong about NAFTA. He is just too simple a man to put it in the correct words. Bush signed it in with the spirit of open trade and good times for all. Canada benefits most. Then comes the U.S. But Mexico has been ravaged. The result of American farming markets flooding into Mexico with cheaper prices put countless Mexicans out of work. In turn, many of those fled north to escape poverty and to find job opportunities. In the mean time, American conservatives and Republicans began whining more and more about Mexicans taking jobs, illegal immigration, and building walls. The funny thing is that Americans actually think Mexicans are taking their jobs when they won't even do the jobs that immigrants take. Even funnier is that conservatives and Republicans supported NAFTA under Bush in 1992. It was they who encouraged what thy now hate (seems a theme anymore). Any how, the flood of Mexicans into the north was caused by NAFTA.

Killing NAFTA is just dumb. But making it so that all three benefit and all three can be healthy is a must. After all, if you want people to stay home, make home worth staying in. Witness the Green Revolution in India. The U.S. helping that country get healthy in the 1960s fixed all of Europe's Indian immigration complaints.
 
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Nah, you weren't wrong. The only thing the guy has really done so far is run his mouth. He has flipped on just about every shallow slogan of his campaign trail because he either never even cared about them or discovered soon enough that most of his off-the-cuff nonsense was impractical. He entered the White House expecting to throw tantrums in order to get his way. This has not worked out. He actually merely represents the routine in America. Americans often run their mouths about "walls" or "anti-Muslim laws," but its everywhere else where governments actually do these things.

I suspect that conservatives will be eager to move on in three years. Right now they are just soothing their conflicted emotions and wounded prides. This is why they cheer whenever he tweets another idiocy. It's like they are lashing out in self-flagellation. If he continues this way, he will go down in history somewhere in the bottom half because he won't have done anything to merit a best or worse position. I don't see the GOP endorsing him. It won't be the first time a Party looked at their seated president and said "you got to go."



Well, I do not think he is wrong about NAFTA. He is just too simple a man to put it in the correct words. Bush signed it in with the spirit of open trade and good times for all. Canada benefits most. Then comes the U.S. But Mexico has been ravaged. The result of American farming markets flooding into Mexico with cheaper prices put countless Mexicans out of work. In turn, many of those fled north to escape poverty and to find job opportunities. In the mean time, American conservatives and Republicans began whining more and more about Mexicans taking jobs, illegal immigration, and building walls. The funny thing is that Americans actually think Mexicans are taking their jobs when they won't even do the jobs that immigrants take. Even funnier is that conservatives and Republicans supported NAFTA under Bush in 1992. It was they who encouraged what thy now hate (seems a theme anymore). Any how, the flood of Mexicans into the north was caused by NAFTA.

Killing NAFTA is just dumb. But making it so that all three benefit and all three can be healthy is a must. After all, if you want people to stay home, make home worth staying in. Witness the Green Revolution in India. The U.S. helping that country get healthy in the 1960s fixed all of Europe's Indian immigration complaints.



I agree with most of that. Regarding the Republicans not endorsing him, and then there is the "Regan scenario" where Ronnie almost topped Gerald Ford...had he had another two weeks would have won. I'm just nearly as sure as your are that the Republicans will have the grit to try after so seriously botching the leadership last time.

I know a few swing voters in Washington State, they voted for him knowing he was a dick, but wanted him to "finally drain the swamp" Instead all he's done is change alligators.

NAFTA is very tricky. I was a journalist covering the original Canada-US FTA, the precursor to NAFTA and at the time heard every argument, with a majority of people against it, mostly in Ontario. NAFTA was even more opposed and initially it cut the throat of Ontario and Quebec manufacturing, while the rest of Canada did "OK" but the perception was bad.

Now, since we have adapted, NAFTA works very well in our favor, and some Americans involved say there is no reason for wholesale change, just improvements. However, Trump has been negotiating in bad faith, at each session the US demands specific changes Canada has said are deal breakers, one being our dairy industry where the US is demanding an end to managed markets, and the ban on certain added ingredients in milk Health Canada says are carcenogenic.

Then it gets even trickier when other countries are concerned; the Chinese are watching closely, as is the EU. I learned some years ago Canadian foreign office staff are renowned negotiators everywhere, it seems but here. With that, I believe Canada has been aware this fight is really only about Mexico, but Trump for whatever reason chose to take us on too. (It is already hurting trade, retail stores near the boarder in Washington are expressing concerns as cross-boarder shopping by Canadians has seriously declined and with Christmas approaching they are scared.

Trump's belligerence may be part of an act and that's the goal...inho I think Trump is firing all his deck guns at once to see who runs first.

I am surprised, by the way, at the seemingly friendly relationship between Trudeau and Trump. They are opposite ends of many spectra and Trump seems to really want Trudeau to like him. Considering who his parents were he DOES have that affect on people. What I doubt Trump will realize is that Trudeau LOVES to be underestimated.

I would pay to be a journalist covering these talks
 
Get over your obsessive hatred of Trump. Americans elected him president and you're just going to have to learn how to deal with it.

Maybe enough Americans in the right states turned out to swing the election(thanks to Russia) and now the ones that didn't show up are just itching to vote to get this criminal out of office.
 
Maybe enough Americans in the right states turned out to swing the election(thanks to Russia) and now the ones that didn't show up are just itching to vote to get this criminal out of office.

We can all hope.
 
Maybe enough Americans in the right states turned out to swing the election(thanks to Russia) and now the ones that didn't show up are just itching to vote to get this criminal out of office.

If you noticed, you started your post off with MAYBE. Maybe the left are a bunch of rabid dogs who have gone totally crazy.
 
Not much of mystery...Really...McConnell is an idiot......Although it is funny seeing him toadie up to trump....You can comprehend that...Right?

Nah, I meant its a mystery how your posts could be so stupid.
 
What Platform do Trump and the GOP have specifically? They haven't really done anything and they've been in power for almost a year.

They ran against the aca aka obamacare, ran for tax reform, immigration reform etc, while the democrats ran on race and gender issues and put jobs and economy at the bottom of their lists. The democrats need a platform, trump ran on a junk platform but apparantly it beat the democrats platform of lets not talk about the economy, jobs, national security etc and only focus on specific wedge issues.

The democrats have time to turn it around, but so far I am seeing a repeat of 2004 of bush bad me good vote for me because i'm not him, and I have a plan but I will not tell you what it is, you need to elect me to find out.
 
Juan Williams: Trump is becoming a failed president | TheHill


Needless to say, those afraid of Trump supporters and electoral backlash may now start to step away. Could see more of this as time passes.
If he fails on tax reform, a give away to the top 1 %, who knows what the repercussions will be. But they will show in 2018 elections.

The problem is, most rational people, who support Trump, see the organized effort, by the left, to discredit him. They also see the do nothing Democrats and the obstructionists Republicans in both houses of Congress; swamp. If a bunch of kids egg your car, the reasonable neighbors will not be upset at you for having a dirty car. It is not your fault. Trump is a counter puncher, which means self defense.

The reasonable person also sees the analogy of the new kid in school, being bullied by all the "so called" cool kids, who think they run the school. These bullies take too much pride in how well their bullying is going. This rubs honest people the wrong way. Trump is tough and fights back and even provokes the bullies. The bullies are getting frustrated and unhinged, and are beginning to believe their own rigged polls that always over sample Democrats. The swamp is not just in the government. Trump is acting as he does, to make the entire swamp reveal itself, to all.

Maybe we need to start a joke theme; How many Democrats does it take to discredit one Trump? All of them!

What is going to change these dynamics is when the Russian collusion story changes to Hillary and Obama and the Uranium deal, which the FBI has documented, was full of bribes and kickbacks, connected to Putin's capitalist desires. This was all known one year before the deal was signed into law by Obama and Hillary. The Democrat party's distraction, to undermine this hard truth, will become neutralized. They will need to change direction and focus on damage control.

Trump appears to have been holding these cards, closely, in an attempt to leverage his agenda within the swamp. A change is starting to happen due to the rumors. Trump may get his Justice Department into action, timed out for the next years midterms; drain the swamp.
 
I head the media saying President Trump would be done by this Friday!
CNN and MSNBC agreed with them. They are running a special
"Trump Finished" My bet is it's going to work out the same as their
predictions that Hillary would the the election. :lamo

straw+man.jpg
 
The problem is, most rational people, who support Trump, see the organized effort, by the left, to discredit him. They also see the do nothing Democrats and the obstructionists Republicans in both houses of Congress; swamp. If a bunch of kids egg your car, the reasonable neighbors will not be upset at you for having a dirty car. It is not your fault. Trump is a counter puncher, which means self defense.

The reasonable person also sees the analogy of the new kid in school, being bullied by all the "so called" cool kids, who think they run the school. These bullies take too much pride in how well their bullying is going. This rubs honest people the wrong way. Trump is tough and fights back and even provokes the bullies. The bullies are getting frustrated and unhinged, and are beginning to believe their own rigged polls that always over sample Democrats. The swamp is not just in the government. Trump is acting as he does, to make the entire swamp reveal itself, to all.

Maybe we need to start a joke theme; How many Democrats does it take to discredit one Trump? All of them!

What is going to change these dynamics is when the Russian collusion story changes to Hillary and Obama and the Uranium deal, which the FBI has documented, was full of bribes and kickbacks, connected to Putin's capitalist desires. This was all known one year before the deal was signed into law by Obama and Hillary. The Democrat party's distraction, to undermine this hard truth, will become neutralized. They will need to change direction and focus on damage control.

Trump appears to have been holding these cards, closely, in an attempt to leverage his agenda within the swamp. A change is starting to happen due to the rumors. Trump may get his Justice Department into action, timed out for the next years midterms; drain the swamp.

First, Mr. Trump does a very good job at discrediting himself with no help from Democrats.

Second, what are you even writing about? Trump is neither an old man with a car nor a new kid in school minding his own business -- and Democrats are not mischievously egging his car or picking on him. Trump came into office promising to improve healthcare, then backed a GOP plan that would throw 24 million Americans off of coverage while raising the cost to most of the rest. Failing that, he unilaterally took action that would destabilize the insurance markets. He also enacted severe cuts to environmental policy and plans to slash taxes on the rich, which would grow the debt more than it was alreading growing. Opposing those malevolent policies is not being mean to poor Mr. Trump but, instead, is the highest form of patriotism.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Russian collusion story is live and well and it's becoming more and more obvious that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to influence the 2016 election. Hillary Clinton's involvement in the uranium deal has long been documented. While the Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, neither Mr. Obama nor Ms. Clinton were beneficiaries of those bribes nor were aware of them. There is no evidence that any Russians or donors engaged in wrongdoing and there was no national security reason for any member of the committee to oppose the Uranium One deal. While I am sure that donations to the Clinton Foundations were intended to influence, there is no evidence that it did. No quid pro quo existed.

I do, however, recognize your desire to distract from the Trump involvement with the Russians by substituting the uranium deal. The fact is, this doesn't have to be an either-or. Russians could collude with Trump and also try to bribe American nuclear contractors.

Apart from the scheming genius you characterize Mr. Trump, he's pitifully ignorant, unaware and incurious about both policy and strategy. His motivations seem to be based upon personal ego and spite -- not the good of the American people. He's managed to alienate key members of his own party -- forcing him to do make nice sessions -- such as the one he did a few days ago with Mitch McConnell. That's why nine months in he's yet to have a single legislative accomplishment -- all when his party controls the WH and both houses of Congress. His White House is in disarray and it's not Democrats that need damage control. It's this White House -- that can't even avoid a controversy about a condolence message.
 
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