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Trump will scrap critical Obamacare subsidy

reinoe said:
If it ain't broke then it don't need fixin'.

It's very broken and that house of cards needs to collapse so that people can focus on real solutions instead of smoke n' mirrors.
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20 million more people got insured by this "very broken house of cards" and you want them thrown off their insurance because.....
 
iguanaman said:
20 million more people got insured by this "very broken house of cards" and you want them thrown off their insurance because.....
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Nothing was fixed. It was throwing money at a problem without fixing anything. If it was really so great then large and wealthy insurance companies wouldn't need subsidies to prop up the ACA.
 
reinoe said:
Nothing was fixed. It was throwing money at a problem without fixing anything. If it was really so great then large and wealthy insurance companies wouldn't need subsidies to prop up the ACA.
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NOTHING WAS FIXED,,,,,now where have I seen that truth?

OH YA, all over America, for too many years.

WE SHOULD DO BETTER
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Okay, so you don't care about the fact that the ACA actually was a major contributor to the massive drop in bankruptcy filings, and that once the ACA goes away this will once again spike?
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I care most that Obama looked at our not very good costs 17%GDP when it should be 12% at most medical system and said "Let's get people to use it more often so that it costs even more money" but could not find any interest in trying to fix the actual problem that is destroying America and will with increasing speed as all of us Boomers die off, because so much medical care is sucked up at the end in America, because we dont do it right.


You are talking small potatoes, the big potato is that we are right ****ed because we have had this degrading medical system for many decades but could never be bothered to fix it, now it is draining us dry, and Obama made the problem worse.
 
iguanaman said:
You heard him he is "amused". This is Trump world and that is a world without empathy and they are proud of it.
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Heart wrenching....really.

For your emotional argument I award you no points.
For the notion that I somehow have a personal responsibility to millions in our Nation, I award you no points
For the notion that I should be concerned less with my families welfare and not the "greater good" of the peoples collective, I award you no points.

On the whole, its looking like 00.00 from my point of view......I'll continue to place my family first in my life rather than the Borg collective.
 
iguanaman said:
20 million more people got insured by this "very broken house of cards" and you want them thrown off their insurance because.....
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Insurance that most of them couldn't afford.

Not only that, they were counting people under 26 who could stay on mommy and daddy's plan.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
From politico.



Trump will scrap critical Obamacare subsidy - POLITICO

It seems that healthcare will once again become a political issue in 2018.
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The Obama Care law does not make provisions for the Federal Government to make subsidies. It ws never part of the original law. However, because the health care system was showing signs of failure, due to too many takers and not enough young healthy givers, President Obama added an executive action, so the government could bail out insurance companies. This was coordinated with campaign contributions to Democratic candidates.

The executive order was a form of money laundering, where tax payer dollars would go to Democrat candidates, via insurance companies, under the guise of propping up inefficient insurance companies. President Trump has neutralized this executive action and brought the law back to its original form, which was not a good plan to begin with.

Congress appears to not want to change the law, so Trump returned the law to its original form. Trump is also adding creative tweaks, through executive action, which will make insurance cheaper, such as ending state run insurance cronyism, and therefore state run money laundering, by allowing insurance to be sold across state borders. This will mean many Democratic led states will lose business, to more efficient Republican led states, which is the underlying belly ache that is driven the Democratic party whine fest. The money laundering will go away and free enterprise will save the day.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
Pretty much the dumbest and worst thing he could do.
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No, he should have done this months ago.
These subsidies were never authorized by Congress and were illegal

Worse, the motivation behind these payments were purely Political.

Obama didnt direct HHS to offer up these illegal subsidies to insurers to make insurance more affordable.

The Obama administration was well aware that premiums and deductibles were increasing exponetially

He did it to prop up his crumbling legacy, to keep a failing law from crashing and burning on his watch and to try and save face for the party responsible for this mess
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
From politico.



Trump will scrap critical Obamacare subsidy - POLITICO

It seems that healthcare will once again become a political issue in 2018.
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Funny you should say that considering " politics was Obama's one and only motivation behind these illegal payouts. Well Im sure his ego was involved too

Obama didnt go around Congress and offer up these subsidies because he cared about the American peoples access to affordable health insurance and access to healthcare

He did to save his crumbling legacy, to protect the Democratic party from the Political consequences of this signature piece of legislation crashing an burning under his watch.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Maybe I am missing it. Is there an upside to this for the Republicans?
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Considering the fact that the Democrats have payed a huge Political price for this law over the last 7 years, the up side for the GOP and Trump is following through with the promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare

These subsidies were illegal, Obama went around Congress to make them.

The extra cost for covering older sicker Americans with pre-existing conditions is supposed to come from a requisite number of young healthy policy holders on the exchanges.

But the CBO missed its 2010 projection of 21 million people on the exchanges by 2016 by 12 million people so Obama chose to make up the difference

That wasnt part of the law
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Maybe I am missing it. Is there an upside to this for the Republicans?
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They don't have to publicly try and fail to find votes this way. So less embarrassing now, likely more embarrassing later, if "embarrassing" is a strong enough word to describe the fallout for when Obamacare fails and it's obvious that republicans caused that failure.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Pretty much the dumbest and worst thing he could do.
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Skeptic Bob said:
Maybe I am missing it. Is there an upside to this for the Republicans?
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This isn't about any kind of policy strategy, or even about a coherent political strategy. It's sheer spite on Trump's part. He wants to undo everything Obama enacted because Obama won two real landslides -- and probably because Obama made a fool out of Trump at one of the correspondence dinners one year. It's all personal and has nothing to do with better policy.
 
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Polar Bum said:
I really don't care......watching this abortion fall apart is mildly amusing.

remember....if you like your insurance, you can keep it.
RetiredUSN said:
And....your doctor!

And......being $2500.00 cheaper.
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With all the major whopper lies Trump tells without your side even raising an eyebrow, you no longer have cause to quote that Obama error, without subjecting yourself to being a hypocrite.

The reality is that the ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) did a lot of great things. It lowered the uninsured rate to the lowest in modern history; provides people with chronic problems, like cancer, the peace of mind knowing that they will never reach a lifetime limit on treatment; and yes, for people who got subsidies, reduced their premium cost more than $2,500.

Now Trump is moving to unravel the entire system. His actions will cause premiums to skyrocket -- as insurance companies need to build-in the loose-cannon risk of Trump. It will cause lots of people to lose insurance and Americans will be worse off.

But hey, at least you don't have a president with her own email server.
 
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MTAtech said:
This isn't about any kind of policy strategy, or even about a coherent political strategy. It's sheer spite on Trump's part.
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Spite ? Maybe, but I doubt thats his one and only motivation or his primary motivation

If it is I definately sympathize with Trump on this one, as Im sure millions of other Americans do too

For one these Federal payouts were and are illegal. There's no provision written into the ACA for Fed subsidies to prop up failing exchanges

Second, Obama didnt go around Congress and make these payments because he wanted to make sure people continued to have access to affordable insurance.

He did it because he didnt want the ACA to crash and burn on his watch, and he didnt want it to become anymore of a Political liabillity for the Democrats than it already had.

So there's good reasons why Americans were and still are a bit irritated at the Obama administration and the Democrats.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
From politico.



Trump will scrap critical Obamacare subsidy - POLITICO

It seems that healthcare will once again become a political issue in 2018.
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It will be a political issue as long as it is in the public sector. Only when we have set simple rules for medical service insurance that define a functional market and trash market entry of doctors etc. will we approach a semblance of tranquility without political finagling and silly simplification.
 
MTAtech said:
Now Trump is moving to unravel the entire system. His actions will cause premiums to skyrocket -- as insurance companies need to build-in the loose-cannon risk of Trump. It will cause lots of people to lose insurance and Americans will be worse off. But at least you don't have a president with her own email server.
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And simply because of their politics, many Cons will be 'amused' by all these people losing their Insurance.

Compassionate Conservatism is dead and gone, and Trump and his Trumpsters have shoveled the last bit of dirt on it's grave.
 
MTAtech said:
With all the major whopper lies Trump tells without your side even raising an eyebrow, you no longer have cause to quote that Obama error, without subjecting yourself to being a hypocrite.

The reality is that the ACA (a.k.a. Obamacare) did a lot of great things. It lowered the uninsured rate to the lowest in modern history; provides people with chronic problems, like cancer, the peace of mind knowing that they will never reach a lifetime limit on treatment; and yes, for people who got subsidies, reduced their premium cost more than $2,500.

Now Trump is moving to unravel the entire system. His actions will cause premiums to skyrocket -- as insurance companies need to build-in the loose-cannon risk of Trump. It will cause lots of people to lose insurance and Americans will be worse off.

But hey, at least you don't have a president with her own email server.
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It would be hypocrisy if I was on "Team MAGA"....Im not.

So, when I call out BS when I see it, don't let your panties get in a twist because I called out your community organizer.....'kay? Thnx. Bye.
 
Fenton said:
Spite ? Maybe, but I doubt thats his one and only motivation or his primary motivation

If it is I definately sympathize with Trump on this one, as Im sure millions of other Americans do too

For one these Federal payouts were and are illegal. There's no provision written into the ACA for Fed subsidies to prop up failing exchanges

Second, Obama didnt go around Congress and make these payments because he wanted to make sure people continued to have access to affordable insurance.

He did it because he didnt want the ACA to crash and burn on his watch, and he didnt want it to become anymore of a Political liabillity for the Democrats than it already had.

So there's good reasons why Americans were and still are a bit irritated at the Obama administration and the Democrats.
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A) It's only illegal if the president doesn't get appropriations from Congress. As an alternative, Trump could have asked for the money and he would have gotten it.
B) Trump should want to avoid the insurance market from disruption too. Before the election, he was the bull in the china shop. Now, it's his china shop.

This is the effect of Trump's action:

 
Khayembii Communique said:
Well I was thinking because it's likely to destabilize the entire marketplace and kick millions of people off their insurance, cause premiums to spike, and make everyone's lives more miserable. But yes that, too.
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The problem is that the government should not be subsidizing healthcare in a rich society of today's technological level. The general approach Obama took was sensible in using the private sector, but he didn't solve the problems and he didn't dare to put the costs to the consumers.
 
MTAtech said:
This isn't about any kind of policy strategy, or even about a coherent political strategy. It's sheer spite on Trump's part.
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Spite ? Maybe, but I doubt thats his one and only motivation or his primary motivation

If it is I definately sympathize with Trump on this one, as Im sure millions of other Americans do too

For one these Federal payouts were and are illegal. There's no provision written into the ACA for Fed subsidies to prop up failing exchanges

Second, Obama didnt go around Congress and make these payments because he wanted to make sure people continued to have access to affordable insurance.

He did it because he didnt want the ACA to crash and burn on his watch, and he didnt want it to become anymore of a Political liabillity for the Democrats than it already had.

So there's good reasons why Americans were and still are a bit irritated at the Obama administration and the Democrats.
 
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