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Trump: Executive Order Will Deliver 'Great, Great, Insurance'

Thorgasm said:
Premiums always go up. Always.
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:roll:

They do when the Federal Govt takes over and tries to centrally run the insurance industry.

They also go up when they in the process remove free market principles and replace them with pirce controls, mandates and arbitrary cost shifting mechanisms

There's less than 10 million people on the exchanges now, thats 12 million off from the CBOs 2009 22 million projection and 1/3 of existing exchanges only has 1 insurer to buy policies from

ObamaCare is in dire straights, and something should be done about it
 
rocket88 said:
Trump: Executive Order Will Deliver 'Great, Great, Insurance'

Since Congress can't get its act together on HealthCare, I will be using the power of the pen to give great HealthCare to many people - FAST," President Trump tweeted Tuesday.

By Executive Order. I wonder how many on the right who moaned about Obama doing it will cheer this? In theory, I like the idea of purchasing across state lines, but is it Constitutional to do by EO?
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Actually he is just utilizing an existing law passed in 1974 much more aggressively. Smart move IMO. Makes him look good and the congress like ****.
 
Fenton said:
:roll:

They do when the Federal Govt takes over and tries to centrally run the insurance industry.

They also go up when they in the process remove free market principles and replace them with pirce controls, mandates and arbitrary cost shifting mechanisms

There's less than 10 million people on the exchanges now, thats 12 million off from the CBOs 2009 22 million projection and 1/3 of existing exchanges only has 1 insurer to buy policies from

ObamaCare is in dire straights, and something should be done about it
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No matter what, they go up. Are you under the impression that insurance companies would turn down extra profits?
 
MTAtech said:
His great plan provides lower quality insurance, which is cheaper, but it also increases the cost of other plans, because it breaks up the insurance pool. Everyone else will have higher cost insurance and it helps undermine the insurance market.
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Sounds like it's giving people more options, not lower quality. It also gives people in those areas where the insurance companies bailed, a chance to make a choice. Choice is good. Competition is good.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...r-promoting-healthcare-choice-and-competition
 
Thorgasm said:
No matter what, they go up. Are you under the impression that insurance companies would turn down extra profits?
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Profits huh ? ObamaCare actually provided billions of dollars to set up non-profit exchanges. They were callled Co-Ops

The idea of-course was that profits drive up cost and that these co-ops would be able to lower cost because they werent dependent on profits.

How many co-ops out of the original 23 are still up and running ? Want to take a wild guess ?
 
Fenton said:
His EO doesn't change the law, write new law or do away with the ACA.
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Nor did I say it did. Please try and refrain from reading what isn't there.
Obviously the ACA is in trouble, and since the GOP cant get their **** together and the Dems are focused on saving the ACA, so something needed to be done.

Premiums are going up again in 2018
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Irrelevant to what I posted.
 
MTAtech said:
His great plan provides lower quality insurance, which is cheaper, but it also increases the cost of other plans, because it breaks up the insurance pool. Everyone else will have higher cost insurance and it helps undermine the insurance market.
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Define lower quality insurance.
 
MTAtech said:
Where are all the cries from conservatives who were quick to declare President Obama using Executive Orders was both dictatorial and unconstitutional?
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Likely those cries are being drowned out by the silence from those on the left who claimed EO's were wonderful when Obama was doing it.
 
Fenton said:
Is it legal ?

He didnt make changes to ObamaCare, to the law.
Obama's EO's were criticized when they were obviously unconstitutional. DACA comes to mind

He provided alternatives to ObamaCare, more choices with access to plans not available under the law.

The GOP can't get their **** together, and the Democrats care more about protecting a Political legacy than they do about the rising premiums and deductibles so at least its a begining.
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But when Obama did these things fr the same reasons it was illegal right? It was against the constitution right?
 
jet57 said:
But when Obama did these things fr the same reasons it was illegal right? It was against the constitution right?
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Ok, don't rub it in. You guys were right. EO's are a wonderful thing. Now lets sit back and enjoy them shall we?
 
I understand he tried to leave the room after making the announcement, and had to be gently led back to the desk by the VP to sign the EO. Alzheimers?
 
apdst said:
You opposed it, or defended it when Obama did it?
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Focus, focus. This isn't about Obama or Rocket88. It's about Trump and his EO.
 
Grand Mal said:
Focus, focus. This isn't about Obama or Rocket88. It's about Trump and his EO.
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Why are you afraid to talk about precendence? Is it because you know it will destroy your argument?
 
Manc Skipper said:
I understand he tried to leave the room after making the announcement, and had to be gently led back to the desk by the VP to sign the EO. Alzheimers?
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Link?
 
holbritter said:
Sounds like it's giving people more options, not lower quality. It also gives people in those areas where the insurance companies bailed, a chance to make a choice. Choice is good. Competition is good.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...r-promoting-healthcare-choice-and-competition
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"[FONT=&quot]Now President Trump is giving those younger, healthier, and most likely poorer Americans new health coverage options. But that leaves us with a problem that could destroy what's left of the private insurance market. If those insurers are still required to cover everyone, how will they stay in business with even less Obamacare plan revenue coming their way than before this change?

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]On the one hand, many are arguing that President Trump either doesn't care about that or is so focused on gutting Obamacare that people with pre-existing conditions aren't even on his radar. But that wouldn't be an entirely fair assumption given all the work the Republicans [/FONT]put into setting up risk pools[FONT=&quot] and other means to fund pre-existing condition patients."[/FONT]
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/12/tru...ve-order-creates-new-problems-commentary.html
 
apdst said:
Why are you afraid to talk about precendence? Is it because you know it will destroy your argument?
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jet57 said:
But when Obama did these things fr the same reasons it was illegal right? It was against the constitution right?
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You have to laugh.

Surely the point is not whether either used/uses executive orders, but what kind of orders they are. The president's role, constitutionally, is to enforce the law, not make it. There are always grey areas, but executive orders that give guidance for how the law can be implemented are legitimate, whereas those that try to bend or undermine the law - in a sense letting the president rewrite the law - are not. This is the case whoever it president.
 
apdst said:
Why are you afraid to talk about precendence? Is it because you know it will destroy your argument?
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Argument? What argument? All I've said is you're off topic.
Man, you wander, don't you.

And what the hell is 'precendence'?
 
Grand Mal said:
Argument? What argument? All I've said is you're off topic.
Man, you wander, don't you.

And what the hell is 'precendence'?
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Again, why are you so terrified to point out other presidents have done the same thing and you people defended it.
 
MTAtech said:
"[FONT="]Now President Trump is giving those younger, healthier, and most likely poorer Americans new health coverage options. But that leaves us with a problem that could destroy what's left of the private insurance market. If those insurers are still required to cover everyone, [B]how will they stay in business with even less Obamacare plan revenue coming their way than before this change?[/B]

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#424858][FONT="]On the one hand, many are arguing that President Trump either doesn't care about that or is so focused on gutting Obamacare that people with pre-existing conditions aren't even on his radar. But that wouldn't be an entirely fair assumption given all the work the Republicans [/FONT]put into setting up risk pools[FONT="] and other means to fund pre-existing condition patients."[/FONT]
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/12/tru...ve-order-creates-new-problems-commentary.html
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The same way they did before Obamacare.
 
apdst said:
Again, why are you so terrified to point out other presidents have done the same thing and you people defended it.
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That may be true, but if this order is one that rewrites the law, conservatives should oppose it, as they did when Obama did the same thing.
 
jet57 said:
But when Obama did these things fr the same reasons it was illegal right? It was against the constitution right?
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DACA was illegal, other EO's that didn't violate the constitution he had every right to make
 
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