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Google also found evidence of " Russan" influence in US election

Litwin said:
Well, truth and facts start come out , I just wander what Putin´s useful idiots are gonna say this time? What Trump is gonna do new?

Et tu, Google? Search and ad giant Google has found evidence that Russian agents purchased ads on YouTube, Google Search, Gmail and the company's DoubleClick ad network, unnamed sources have told the Washington Post. That means Russian actors have penetrated all the large Silicon Valley ad firms, as Facebook and Twitter recently revealed similar attacks. However, the Google ads were reportedly not purchased by the same Vladimir Putin-affiliated group that bought ads on Facebook, meaning the problem could be more widespread than thought.
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[Google is] always monitoring for abuse or violations of our policies and we've seen no evidence this type of ad campaign was run on our platforms.
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Firstly, I not convinced all of the Russian efforts, whatever they consisted of, were effective in the outcome of the 2016 elections. I opine that it was America's history of civic ignorance, apathy, and impatience that brought us to the 3 ring circle that our nation has become.

It matters not about "truth" nor "facts". The truth and facts have been available for eons.

It's obvious that despite verifiable truths about Trump's decades of scumbag business practices, sexism, and relationships with known shady characters and fascist government officials - NOTHING will sway Trump supporters.

Apparently the belief is that electing someone one with a lower character than those who hold our government hostage would be necessary in order to bringing down the Kingdom of Washington.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
Bs these other countries are not even real democracy anyways.

Notice when I sent a link you failed to respond to the video. I didn't say the conservative fox News.
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The article was from the liberal LA Times, not Fox News. You are really in denial if you don't even believe the liberal media.
 
bearpoker said:
As I said, we did that during the cold war. I asked for evidence that it in the last 15 years. Just because we used to do it doesn't mean in was right and it doesn't make it right that Russia did it to us.
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I agree but it had nothing to do with Trump and there is zero proof that Russia buying adds did one damn thing to change the election. What do you want to do to Russia? You guys are all talk and no action. Again, what do you want to do to Russia?
 
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Fletch said:
When you come up with evidence that these Russian ads influenced anyone, I will listen. Until then your posts have about as much effect on me as these mysterious Russian ads had on the voting public.


That would be zero...
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Your belief is that people spend billions on advertising each year in spite of there being zero evidence that it has any influence. Good job, Fletch. That's quite a position you've staked out for yourself.
 
Litwin said:
Well, truth and facts start come out , I just wander what Putin´s useful idiots are gonna say this time? What Trump is gonna do new?


Well, truth and facts start come out , I just wander what Putin´s useful idiots are gonna say this time? What Trump is gonna do new?

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Et tu, Google? Search and ad giant Google has found evidence that Russian agents purchased ads on YouTube, Google Search, Gmail and the company's DoubleClick ad network, unnamed sources have told the Washington Post. That means Russian actors have penetrated all the large Silicon Valley ad firms, as Facebook and Twitter recently revealed similar attacks. However, the Google ads were reportedly not purchased by the same Vladimir Putin-affiliated group that bought ads on Facebook, meaning the problem could be more widespread than thought.
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[Google is] always monitoring for abuse or violations of our policies and we've seen no evidence this type of ad campaign was run on our platforms.
" https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/09/google-russia-meddling-gmail-youtube/


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Lol ! Sorry, but this Russia conspiracy nonsense was looney months ago, now its just pathetic. Did Russia force Hillary to blow off Wisconsin and Michigan ? Did Russia force Hillary to call millions of voters " deplorable " ?? Did Russia force her and the DNC to screw over Bernie Sanders supporters ?

Hillary loss because voters rejected her and her agenda, and she lost to Trump of all people.
 
Cardinal said:
Your belief is that people spend billions on advertising each year in spite of there being zero evidence that it has any influence. Good job, Fletch. That's quite a position you've staked out for yourself.
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That's not my position. My position is that those who claim these particular ads had the type of influence they claim they had have to prove it.
 
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Fletch said:
What was it that was spent on the 2016 election? $1 billion? $2 billion? Yet these Russian ads turned the tide somehow. Someday you guys will accept the fact that Hillary lost because she was a worse candidate.
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At what point can we question these stories based on the fact that none of these stories actually present the ads that were purchased so that we can all decide for ourselves about them? I'm willing to grant Google and Facebook the claim that the ads were actually purchased by a Russian operative... but show me what they bought!
 
Jaygodmedia said:
OMG I'm not a lawyer lol but here. Even after you view this report odds tells me you will used the same excuse or talking points the GOP always goes to but here you go.
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The problem is that Google and Facebook are asking that we trust them implicitly in both the identification of the purchaser and the determination of the content of the ads. Not good enough.

Their decision to not present the actual ads in question makes no sense. It isn't like they will extra-influence the 2016 election.

My only conclusion is that Facebook and Google are manipulating the narrative and they fear that showing the ads would open their conclusions to scrutiny.
 
Fletch said:
When you come up with evidence that these Russian ads influenced anyone, I will listen. Until then your posts have about as much effect on me as these mysterious Russian ads had on the voting public.


That would be zero...
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We would need to see the troll farm plans and the polling they did to test their effectiveness.

You do know that one of the primary purposes of polling is to test the effectiveness of persuasive messaging, right?

Making sure they are eliciting the desired emotional response in the predicted percentage of the target demographic to the latest messaging campaign or focus grouped term.
 
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We understand that you want to feel better about the massive loss. We really do.
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Kobie said:
“Massive loss”?
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Yeah.

Hillary popular vote = 63 million

Trump popular vote = 60 million
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Trump's "massive loss" = 3 million Votes Less than Hillary <---- thus American is correct.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Thank you!

If the Russians can subvert our democratic process with FB ads then we have a hell of a lot more to worry about than the Russians.
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The science of persuasion is directly responsible for the current divide in this country.

And it wasn't just ads. It was other campaigns targeted in a conveniently accurate fashion.

I can't for the life of me figure out how so many deny the existence of a sophisticated technology for the manipulation of public opinion that represents a ten billion dollar a year industry in the US. And that doesn't count those in direct employ of businesses and those who design and implement every political campaign.
 
Litwin said:
Well, truth and facts start come out , I just wander what Putin´s useful idiots are gonna say this time? What Trump is gonna do new?


Well, truth and facts start come out , I just wander what Putin´s useful idiots are gonna say this time? What Trump is gonna do new?

"
Et tu, Google? Search and ad giant Google has found evidence that Russian agents purchased ads on YouTube, Google Search, Gmail and the company's DoubleClick ad network, unnamed sources have told the Washington Post. That means Russian actors have penetrated all the large Silicon Valley ad firms, as Facebook and Twitter recently revealed similar attacks. However, the Google ads were reportedly not purchased by the same Vladimir Putin-affiliated group that bought ads on Facebook, meaning the problem could be more widespread than thought.
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[Google is] always monitoring for abuse or violations of our policies and we've seen no evidence this type of ad campaign was run on our platforms.
" https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/09/google-russia-meddling-gmail-youtube/


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So what? And what does this have to do with Trump?

Who do you think uses social media and chat the most? And who are the people most unlikely to vote for Trump? What does this have to do with him?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
You mean the Russian meddling that has yet to be proven? Everyone from Dianne Feinstein (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzrlpKtY2DY&feature=youtu.be) to Maxine Waiters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abgxBCVL7pg&feature=youtu.be) to The Atlantic which said that the ODNI report "does not or cannot provide evidence for its assertions.” (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/odni-report-on-russian-hacking/512465/)
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I'm quite sure the analytics that Communications professionals use to track saturation and effectiveness of messaging campaigns can be used to determine effectiveness to the extent companies in the manipulation business use to advertise their services.

They track/assess every political message we see in this fashion. Every PR campaign. Every marketing strategy.

Which is why I suspect so much energy is being expended screaming "There's nothing to see here!".

Too many oxes will be gored if we seriously look at this technology.
 
joG said:
I don't know that I would use the word 'subvert', but there was influence. Many people didn't realize it was going on and others didn't take it seriously. If it is well understood, what is happening, the influence might be viewed as legitimate and something our society and democratic processes should be able to handle.
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It isn't, though.

The first rule of Communications is you don't talk ABOUT Communications with those outside the trade.

People don't like being manipulated. So looking too close at the Russian meddling would have the side effect of exposing domestic "meddling". Which is a constant bombardment of messaging designed to manipulate. To sell ideas and products.

To convince people to accept things they would reject or reject things they would welcome if they simply understood the full truth and ramifications of the subject at hand.
 
What if...? said:
It isn't, though.

The first rule of Communications is you don't talk ABOUT Communications with those outside the trade.

People don't like being manipulated. So looking too close at the Russian meddling would have the side effect of exposing domestic "meddling". Which is a constant bombardment of messaging designed to manipulate. To sell ideas and products.

To convince people to accept things they would reject or reject things they would welcome if they simply understood the full truth and ramifications of the subject at hand.
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Let's put them all in jail. If Russia spent money to influence our election, put them in jail. If Israel spent money to influence our election, put them in jail. If the USA spent money to influence the Syria, Ukraine, Russia, Iraq, Egypt elections, put them in jail. What a crock of donkey dung!
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What if...? said:
So two wrongs make a right now.

Got it.
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Well, at least you admit that the US has had their own hands in the cookie jar for decades and now want to cry like babies because someone pulled the same stunt on us as we have to many others. Most of your fellow rabid lefties won't even admit that.
 
Moderate Right said:
Well, at least you admit that the US has had their own hands in the cookie jar for decades and now want to cry like babies because someone pulled the same stunt on us as we have to many others. Most of your fellow rabid lefties won't even admit that.
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Funny, I've seen similar responsea to mine all over the board.

Your post is just whataboutism.

Which is basically claiming that what your guy did is actually OK because somebody on the other side did something similar or worse.

So by y'all's logic, every murderer could point to pol pot and walk because he killed lots more people.
 
What if...? said:
Funny, I've seen similar responsea to mine all over the board.

Your post is just whataboutism.

Which is basically claiming that what your guy did is actually OK because somebody on the other side did something similar or worse.

So by y'all's logic, every murderer could point to pol pot and walk because he killed lots more people.
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You have zero evidence that "my guy" did anything. Zero. But, of course you rabid lefties all post the same conspiracy theory garbage.
 
Moderate Right said:
You have zero evidence that "my guy" did anything. Zero. But, of course you rabid lefties all post the same conspiracy theory garbage.
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As long as conspiracy is a federal offense your dismissing everything as a conspiracy is nonsense.
 
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