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Exclusive poll: 62% of NFL fans plan to watch less football

Crovax said:
Protesting the national flag to talk about injustice of city cops, who exactly is doing the conflating here?
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Nobody is protesting the flag. The flag is a piece of cloth. Stop confusing the symbol with what it symbolizes.
 
Crovax said:
Here is the attendance since the NFL expanded to 32 teams, other than a recession dip in 2009 to 2012 attendance is as high as it ever was in the NFL

2016 - 17.788 million
2015 - 17.509
2014 - 17.606
2013 - 17.510
2012 - 17.303
2011 - 17.252
2010 - 17.140
2009 - 17.282
2008 - 17.459
2007 - 17.597
2006 - 17.606
2005 - 17.250
2004 - 17.270
2003 - 17.068
2002 - 16.979
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Is there any breakdown as far as the different revenue streams?
Attendance
Broadcasts rights
Concession (food&beer etc)
Merchandise
Sundry/Misc

I think the big one is broadcast, but is there anywhere that shows a breakdown?
 
Crovax said:
Here is the attendance since the NFL expanded to 32 teams, other than a recession dip in 2009 to 2012 attendance is as high as it ever was in the NFL

2016 - 17.788 million
2015 - 17.509
2014 - 17.606
2013 - 17.510
2012 - 17.303
2011 - 17.252
2010 - 17.140
2009 - 17.282
2008 - 17.459
2007 - 17.597
2006 - 17.606
2005 - 17.250
2004 - 17.270
2003 - 17.068
2002 - 16.979
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These are statistics of tickets sold.
 
Deuce said:
Your criticism of their method of protesting injustice doesn't magically make this disrespectful to some unidentified military veteran.
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I never claimed that it did. My complant is simply that protesting injustice in general is a waste of time. Defining a specific problem and proposing a specific solution to address that problem is what makes change happen. Simply saying that things are not all unicorns and rainbows in the criminal "just us" system accomplishes nothing.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I never claimed that it did. My complant is simply that protesting injustice in general is a waste of time. Defining a specific problem and proposing a specific solution to address that problem is what makes change happen. Simply saying that things are not all unicorns and rainbows in the criminal "just us" system accomplishes nothing.
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Hold the **** on. You read that sentence literally? Like, you think I was saying "they were protesting the general concept of injustice but have no specific complaint or problem they want addressed?"
 
RetiredUSN said:
These are statistics of tickets sold.
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Once the ticket is sold, revenue doesn’t go down if the holder misses the game! Lost merch and concessions, maybe.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I think we're going to see the NFL start to crack down on kneelers in light of this:

A new Yahoo Finance poll suggests the NFL has an enduring problem on its hands. Nearly 62% of 9,056 respondents told us they plan to watch less pro football in response to the anthem controversy. Thirty-six percent said they plan to buy less NFL merchandise, and 32% have chosen not to attend a game they would otherwise have gone to. Those findings all have financial implications for the NFL and its 32 team owners.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-poll-62-nfl-fans-plan-watch-less-football-163908368.html
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This reminds me of the South Park episode in which the town vows to boycott the new WalMart, which was competing against local businesses, and they all run into each other at midnight at WalMart.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The NFL is paying big attention to that 36% planning on buying less merchandise. NFL sponsorship and merchandising brings in $7.2billion/year according to Quora.com. They must be karking bricks looking at polling numbers like that.
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I don't think they are ringing the alarm bell. Wishing something does not make it so.
 
ObamacareFail said:
In my case, I will be watching no NFL games until the NFL comes to it's senses. And I don't think the NFL commissioner and owners will agree with you that the boycott is not affecting them seriously already.
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Boycott (a zillion times less) < CTE
 
Deuce said:
Hold the **** on. You read that sentence literally? Like, you think I was saying "they were protesting the general concept of injustice but have no specific complaint or problem they want addressed?"
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Why don't you provide me a statement from KC, the founder of this movement, which cites a specific instance of police racism as an example. While you are at it, can you explain what wearing the Fidel Castro T-shirt or police as pigs socks did to advance that cause.

If that is deemed to be terribly unfair (since KC is not exactly a brilliant policy maker) then perhaps supply the statement of another NFL player citing a specific case rather than some nebulous talking point of "racist police shootings" somewhere, at some time, in the USA.

Personally I found the officer Stockley case in MO to be a prime example yet it did not seem to spark the riots and national attention that the "hands up, don't shoot" fictitious event in MO did.
 
Deuce said:
Nobody is protesting the flag. The flag is a piece of cloth. Stop confusing the symbol with what it symbolizes.
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I can't tell you want it doesn't symbolize, city municipalities
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Please tell us how you know so much about football fans.... This is going to be good.
Spoiled brat football players disrespecting our flag, the fans have a good reason to be upset.
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They've explained why they kneel. You and other conservative simply refuse to listen to them. You prescribe motive and meaning to their gestures, you get apoplectic about disrespecting symbols, and then you rob yourself of the joy of enjoying football.

The problem isn't the players. The problem, like with so many things these days, is the conservative need to be outraged and play victim.
 
Trump said not to watch football anymore, therefore I will watch as much football as possible.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why don't you provide me a statement from KC, the founder of this movement, which cites a specific instance of police racism as an example. While you are at it, can you explain what wearing the Fidel Castro T-shirt or police as pigs socks did to advance that cause.

If that is deemed to be terribly unfair (since KC is not exactly a brilliant policy maker) then perhaps supply the statement of another NFL player citing a specific case rather than some nebulous talking point of "racist police shootings" somewhere, at some time, in the USA.

Personally I found the officer Stockley case in MO to be a prime example yet it did not seem to spark the riots and national attention that the "hands up, don't shoot" fictitious event in MO did.
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What's with the anti-Kansas City rant?
 
ObamacareFail said:
In my case, I will be watching no NFL games until the NFL comes to it's senses. And I don't think the NFL commissioner and owners will agree with you that the boycott is not affecting them seriously already.
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Because Trump said!
 
Why does the Right care how others exhibit their patriatism? You folks should spend less time worrying about who takes a knee, and concentrate more on how to take away the poors health care.
 
Middleground said:
I don't think they are ringing the alarm bell. Wishing something does not make it so.
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I don't think this alone would do it. The drop in ticket sales, the offer of refunds on the red tickets from DISH, and possible revenue issues down the line is making them think at this point.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If you're giving up the sport you love because a few minorities use their free will before the game even starts to take a knee, that person is not a football fan, just an asshole that wants to try to force the NFL to enforce their political views on individuals. Why do you guys hate freedom so much?
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They are politicizing their workplace. The government is doing nothing to stop them. Why do you create logically challenged arguments?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
If NFL fans are such delicate snowflakes that a few players choosing to exercise a little freedom before the game triggers them this hard, they're not real football fans anyway.
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Maybe they can find a safe space in watching figure skating or something instead.
 
Rexedgar said:
NFL has been in decline for some time. Not sure how the other teams handle the season tickets, my local team requires tickets be paid for far in advance of the start of the seasons. Last time I looked into it if you didn’t re up the next in line was offered the tickets. So if you stay away and cannot sell your tickets that’s money wasted. The last few games I have been to (at least five years ago), were full of inebriated and noxious fans, who usually fell asleep during the third quarter, when the medication ran out. The actions of both the league and the players (DWI, domestic violence and other antisocial behavior). “Winning cures everything”, doesn’t work for me any longer.

PS It is my understanding that the networks have ponied up for at least the next few years. I believe the bulk of the revenue is through broadcast rights. So it might be a while before things get tight.
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Networks are locked into contracts till 2020 but im not sure of its terms. Fans not filling stadiums have implications for them too because if the owner does not purchase the empty seats the blackout rules apply.

Dont kid yourself if tv ratings bomb the networks will pressure the nfl to end this fight. The nfl is beholden to the networks too.

The big mistake the nfl made is they wrongly thought their fans were their emotional hostages. Stand or dont, the vhoive is theirs. Watch or dont, the choice is ours

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Common Sense 1 said:
So protest "injustice" other than when our national anthem is being played. Why is that so hard?
Don't disrespect the flag. The NFL is back peddling big time and you know it. They made a terrible decision to let take a knee happen.
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The nfl is desperate to find an out that allows them to save face and neither the players or the fans are budging. The league is being starved into an unconditional surrender.

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