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Art Rooney II: Steelers never meant to boycott anthem

Common Sense 1 said:
And so it starts. The NFL will have to back peddle big time to correct their very bad decision.
But I believe the damage has been done. So many are just pissed off!
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I think fans of the Pittsburg Steelers are ready to jump ship now that they have become the Pittsburg Kneelers!
 
American said:
Art Rooney II: Steelers never meant to boycott anthem | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


I'm going to go ahead and accept his word on this. :peace
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So he fully admits the National Anthem and the flag are devisive.

He claims they stayed in the tunnel to " unify the team "
Someone needs to clue his silly ass in on the fact that fans dont tune into to Football for a " discussion on race ", and will continue to boycott as long as the Left wing social justice drivel is being force fed to them
 
jimbo said:
I won't. The players, coaches, front office, and league backed the wrong horse. Now it's walkback time. Each viewer, butt in seat, advertiser, lost, costs the sport a few bucks. Which translates to lower salaries, profits, franchise values, and cans of Bud sold.

Too little too late for me.
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Me too! Let's see the game tonight when the Packers have asked their fans in the stands to join them in this revolt. I hope the
fans reject that. It's the only reason I might watch to see the fans reaction to the anthem. It might be why I expect the viewership
might not go downhill on TV.
 
American said:
Well part of my reasoning is that a Ranger apologized and said he was embarrassed, and I'm thinking there was a miscommunication MAYBE. We'll see, I'm accepting his word for now.
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What I saw was the head coach ripping him in public and the next day he's apologizing. You're right...we'll see.
 
The NFL did this to itself.

For years they have taken an iron fisted approach to things like end zone celebrations and wearing shoes or other apparel meant to commemorate certain causes or events claiming it would violate league rules. For some reason, though, they allowed this kneeling to go on even though the rules clearly state that players must stand with their helmets under their arm and face the flag. They chose to ignore their own rules and by doing so they have set themselves up to alienate one side or the other depending upon how they proceed. The bottom line is that they are going to lose viewers either way.

The only practical move they can make at this point would be to keep the players in the locker room for the anthem and change the TV coverage so it is no longer part of the broadcast. This would still piss some people off but it is the only thing that I can think of which prevents them from having to "pick a side".
 
Trump nailed it , again.
The mostly black players are giving the country the middle finger, live and on prime time. and the mostly white
owners are afraid to enforce their own agreed upon rules, lest they be labelled racists.
 
well ' the actual protest' is out the window. Now it's a just th emiddle finger to Trump. Alleged racism is just a facade.
 
KLATTU said:
well ' the actual protest' is out the window. Now it's a just th emiddle finger to Trump. Alleged racism is just a facade.
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It branched into two separate protests. The first was against police officers killing black people at a disproportionate rate to white people. The second was indeed against Trump as a statement that he was in do position to order them to stop protesting or to fire their own employees for protesting. The head of our government got involved in who should be allowed to protest and what they should be allowed to protest, and the sports teams responded by saying, "It is not your place to determine when and where the first amendment is allowed to be applied. Go to hell."
 
Cardinal said:
Nobody was boycotting the anthem. That's an imagining of trump supporters in order to dismiss the actual protest.
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You want to argue with Rooney, take it up with him.
 
American said:
You want to argue with Rooney, take it up with him.
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If Rooney is here on DP then I will. In the meantime, the notion that this is a protest against the anthem is a straw man so that trump supporters have an easier position to argue against.
 
Fenton said:
So he fully admits the National Anthem and the flag are devisive.

He claims they stayed in the tunnel to " unify the team "
Someone needs to clue his silly ass in on the fact that fans dont tune into to Football for a " discussion on race ", and will continue to boycott as long as the Left wing social justice drivel is being force fed to them
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I think they were trying to remain neutral on the protesting, but since you can't please all..... So being in the tunnel was perceived by fans as supporting the protests; the opposite of what he says he intended. I'm giving him the benefit, cautiously.
 
Cardinal said:
If Rooney is here on DP then I will. In the meantime, the notion that this is a protest against the anthem is a straw man so that trump supporters have an easier position to argue against.
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You're creating your own strawman, the fans perceive this protests as disrespectful of America and the people that sacrificed for liberty.
 
American said:
You're creating your own strawman, the fans perceive this protests as disrespectful of America and the people that sacrificed for liberty.
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You're clearly unaware of what "straw man" means. I'm responding to the notion that the athletes were boycotting the national anthem. That's in the thread title. In the thread that you started. And the notion that the athletes were boycotting the national anthem is a straw man.
 
Cardinal said:
You're clearly unaware of what "straw man" means. I'm responding to the notion that the athletes were boycotting the national anthem. That's in the thread title. In the thread that you started. And the notion that the athletes were boycotting the national anthem is a straw man.
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They are boycotting the anthem, by kneeling. But their message is failing among the fans.
 
American said:
They are boycotting the anthem, by kneeling. But their message is failing among the fans.
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No, it's a deliberate misinterpretation of what they're protesting. And it's deliberate because they've been clear about what they're protesting. Of course you won't address the real protest because that would be hard. It would force you to think about the issues, and that's a topic that requires more than your usual one-liners. However, "they're protesting the national anthem" fits neatly on a bumper sticker, it allows you to demean them without thought, so that's what you're going with.
 
American said:
I think they were trying to remain neutral on the protesting, but since you can't please all..... So being in the tunnel was perceived by fans as supporting the protests; the opposite of what he says he intended. I'm giving him the benefit, cautiously.
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I'm sure Art will sleep better!
 
American said:
You're creating your own strawman, the fans perceive this protests as disrespectful of America and the people that sacrificed for liberty.
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Americans are by and large ignorant. Look at the nightly television offerings. Football fans are a sub-group of the larger, willing to drunkenly beat each other to a pulp for wearing the wrong jersey in the wrong place.
 
countryboy said:
Tired of the leftist propaganda. :shrug:
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'When the dust settles (the plunging ratings, lost advertising revenue, lower ticket sales etc.) the avg. NFL player will have less leverage than a McDonalds worker.

That weasel Goodell and his billionaire spineless NFL owners have lost complete control of their millionaire employees and don't think for a minute fans (the REAL owners) will just sweep it under the rug.

It's the culture war, stupid...with the left choosing the NFL as their latest battlefield.

"Get that son of a bitch off the field!"

You better believe it.

The next CBA is going to be a doozy. '
 
Cardinal said:
No, it's a deliberate misinterpretation of what they're protesting. And it's deliberate because they've been clear about what they're protesting. Of course you won't address the real protest because that would be hard. It would force you to think about the issues, and that's a topic that requires more than your usual one-liners. However, "they're protesting the national anthem" fits neatly on a bumper sticker, it allows you to demean them without thought, so that's what you're going with.
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If your bitch is with the police, then the place to protest is around the police. If you disrespect the flag or the anthem then you are not protesting the police. You are either protesting the anthem or that for which it stands.
 
Cardinal said:
No, it's a deliberate misinterpretation of what they're protesting. And it's deliberate because they've been clear about what they're protesting. Of course you won't address the real protest because that would be hard. It would force you to think about the issues, and that's a topic that requires more than your usual one-liners. However, "they're protesting the national anthem" fits neatly on a bumper sticker, it allows you to demean them without thought, so that's what you're going with.
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Cardinal you can't be wrong about everything come to your senses. They, the players are making a huge mistake, they are not clear about what
they are protesting. Talk to 5 of them and you'll get 5 different answers as to why!
 
slick said:
Cardinal you can't be wrong about everything
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If you've ever been married then you'd know that it's entirely possible to be wrong about everything.

slick said:
They, the players are making a huge mistake,
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Most people say that about protesters. They're often quite easy to dislike, but long after the dust has settled their message has frequently been validated. "Cops shouldn't kill black people quite so much" and "freedom of speech" are pretty sympathetic messages and will most likely endure.

slick said:
they are not clear about what they are protesting. Talk to 5 of them and you'll get 5 different answers as to why!
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Okay, so let's hash it out. Quote for me some things the athletes have said to explain why they're protesting. Keep in mind I've already acknowledged that the initial protest has branched out into two reasons: 1)protesting the disproportionate killing of black people by police, and 2)a protest in support of solidarity and the freedom of speech.
 
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