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Breaking: New EO and sanction against North Korea

Mycroft

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This morning, news out of China:



Just a couple hours ago:



Just minutes ago:




This is BIGLY, folks.


Maybe. China has failed to meet commitments in the past. North Korea is China's best weapon against the U.S. They won't give it up easily.
 
Maybe. China has failed to meet commitments in the past. North Korea is China's best weapon against the U.S. They won't give it up easily.

Yes, but they have a choice: Keep trading with NK or keep trading with the US. They cannot do both.
 
This is very good news if China is serious about it. They are NK's main lifeline.
 
Maybe. China has failed to meet commitments in the past. North Korea is China's best weapon against the U.S. They won't give it up easily.

They don't have to give it up. They need to squeeze out Shorty Pants.
 
Yes, but they have a choice: Keep trading with NK or keep trading with the US. They cannot do both.

Right! That's the biggy from our end. That's our biggest peacetime stick.
 
This is very good news if China is serious about it. They are NK's main lifeline.

I think they are. As much as Russia and China like to play antagonist to the US and the West, I don't think any of us really want war and certainly I cannot believe that any of the major powers want some mad man throwing nukes about. They're happy to look away when NK is just making its idle threats, but I don't think they are comfortable with the new game Un is playing.

But we'll see how it all works out.
 
I think they are. As much as Russia and China like to play antagonist to the US and the West, I don't think any of us really want war and certainly I cannot believe that any of the major powers want some mad man throwing nukes about. They're happy to look away when NK is just making its idle threats, but I don't think they are comfortable with the new game Un is playing.

But we'll see how it all works out.

Exactly, N Korea has taken a bridge to far.

Not to mention, a nuclear N Korea is going to tempt China's neighbors to go nuclear. That's not necessarily something China wants
 
The executive order names the targeted state as "North Korea" and not by its proper name. Does that make it null and void, I wonder?

It is a legal document so it must properly identify the government and state against which it is aimed, no?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
The only real problem I see now is that Kim, in direct defiance to orders from China, just might be crazy enough to attack someone. Trump doesn't want that to happen, but if it does it'll be time to let slip the Mad Dogs of war. I'm hoping China has a good leash on the Rocket Man.
 
They don't have to give it up. They need to squeeze out Shorty Pants.

But shorty pants and his threats are the weapon.
 
The executive order names the targeted state as "North Korea" and not by its proper name. Does that make it null and void, I wonder?

It is a legal document so it must properly identify the government and state against which it is aimed, no?

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Could we translate it for you?
 
This morning, news out of China:



Just a couple hours ago:



Just minutes ago:




This is BIGLY, folks.


Yes. It is rather an important step and probably explains why China decided to move on banking earlier in the day.
 
The only real problem I see now is that Kim, in direct defiance to orders from China, just might be crazy enough to attack someone. Trump doesn't want that to happen, but if it does it'll be time to let slip the Mad Dogs of war. I'm hoping China has a good leash on the Rocket Man.

I don't think Kim plans on attacking anyone. NK has been threatening the world for decades. They use their aggressive behavior, and the backlash it gets, as propaganda to help keep the population in line. This is a big move from China, and it might just be what it takes to get Kim to strategically back down and return to making dumb threats without the missile launches.
 
Getting China to crack down is indeed a step in the right direction.

There's a lot of ifs attached to that, but at first blush this is a win for Trump and the U.S.

I wonder what China gets out of the deal? I doubt it's any sort of fear of NK slipping the leash.
 
The only real problem I see now is that Kim, in direct defiance to orders from China, just might be crazy enough to attack someone.

It's more likely he's actually not.

Trump doesn't want that to happen, but if it does it'll be time to let slip the Mad Dogs of war. I'm hoping China has a good leash on the Rocket Man.

Trump on the other hand... Is more than capable of mishandling the situation greatly and getting alot of people killed.
 
Could we translate it for you?

fmw:

It should be the "Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea" in English, not 'North Korea', which is an unofficial name. If a legal document does not properly identify the person against whom the legal action is directed then it is null and void in most Western legal systems. States are legal persons. So I wonder if this executive order has been crafted correctly and is legal or not.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
I don't think Kim plans on attacking anyone. NK has been threatening the world for decades. They use their aggressive behavior, and the backlash it gets, as propaganda to help keep the population in line. This is a big move from China, and it might just be what it takes to get Kim to strategically back down and return to making dumb threats without the missile launches.

Trump might walk things back to seal a deal, but right now, that's not enough. He's calling for the complete denuclearization of NK.
 
fmw:

It should be the "Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea" in English, not 'North Korea', which is an unofficial name. If a legal document does not properly identify the person against whom the legal action is directed then it is null and void in most Western legal systems. States are legal persons. So I wonder if this executive order has been crafted correctly and is legal or not.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Does it matter?

It's an EO. If anyone were to argue it to be invalid because of the colloquial reference to its subject, a find-and-replace and a new signature is all it'd take to fix it.
 
fmw:

It should be the "Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea" in English, not 'North Korea', which is an unofficial name. If a legal document does not properly identify the person against whom the legal action is directed then it is null and void in most Western legal systems. States are legal persons. So I wonder if this executive order has been crafted correctly and is legal or not.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

Let's just hope that we don't ever have to sanction Namibia. ;)
 
Trump might walk things back to seal a deal, but right now, that's not enough. He's calling for the complete denuclearization of NK.

It would be nice if that were to happen, but there is no way NK will go for that. They saw what happened to other nations that gave up their WMDs.
 
It would be nice if that were to happen, but there is no way NK will go for that. They saw what happened to other nations that gave up their WMDs.

Oh...I think the Chinese have a lot to say about what Rocket Man will go for.
 
It's more likely he's actually not.



Trump on the other hand... Is more than capable of mishandling the situation greatly and getting alot of people killed.

Just out of curiosity, which leader do you think is more dangerous in that regard, Trump or Un?
 
Just out of curiosity, which leader do you think is more dangerous in that regard, Trump or Un?

Depends on how you look at it, Kim Jong Un is not as crazy as the Western Media will have you believe, although I, of course, cannot be sure, the unlimited power he wields over his people can do strange things to a persons worldview, but there's a method to his madness, from his perspective if you're willing to go there and understand it, he's actually acting quite rationally and he's not crazy enough to actually get into a nuclear confrontation with America, he is well aware of what would happen in such a scenario, so Mycrofts thoughts are completely and utterly wrong.

Trump on the other hand, has very publicly shown a persona and a tendency to act extremely irrationally and unpredictably and it's exactly those qualities that you don't want when nuclear weapons are involved.

Trumps sunk down to the North Korean level and started throwing threats out there he couldn't possibly follow through on and so yes, I do begin to wonder who's the more dangerous actor in this play.
 
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