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Susan Rice: Explains Why She Unmasked Trump Officials

Just have to understand that the political elite, both Republican and democrat HATE TRUMP. So nothing like this matters. Sessions has proven to be ineffective, McConnell & Ryan could care less, while Schumer and Pelosi rejoice.

So unless politicians can pull off a coup, none of this will matter. Fox will cover this stuff, other media outlets are having too much fun using Trump as a punching bag.

Not sure what this means for our democracy, as we seem to be in a never ending tit-for-tat. So the next democratic president can expect to have to go through this impeachment drill.


Look the Trump team was being watched since 2015--and not by U.S. intelligence sources.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Which is why Trump Jr. couldn't pull off a secret meeting at the Trump tower in June of 2016.


Which is why Shep Smith knew in February 2017, that Trump surrogates were on the phone with Russian intelligence agents, including the very day that the Russians hacked into DNC databases--while the Trump team denied any contact with Russians during the campaign season 17 times.
Kushner contradicts Trump team's denials of Russia contacts - CNNPolitics

https://youtu.be/fysSDYkhHlU

Mueller has convened 2 Grand Jury's, loaded up on over 15 criminal prosecutors & money laundering experts, and just added the criminal division of the IRS. While Trump is also under investigation for Obstruction of Justice.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/specia...er-using-grand-jury-in-widening-russia-probe/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthon...mp-russia-investigation-the-irs/#5a8ad7d975ac
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.396996f708d3

It didn't help that Trump went on an NBC interview with Lestor Holt and admitted that he fired Comey over the Russian investigation.


Today--Mueller is having Rod Roseinstein (Deputy Attorney General) testify. Right wing talk show hosts are NOT reporting any of this information, and I doubt FOX News is reporting a lot of it. The only person who is covering every daily detail is your Nemisis, MSNBC--Rachel Maddow.

This is no doubt the most serious scandal in this Nation's history. This is not just a "tit for tat."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-...ndal-pales-in-comparison-with-russian-claims/
 
But, despite all the pouting and manic foot-stoimping, she had a perfectly good reason for doing so.

Rice told investigators why she unmasked Trump aides - CNNPolitics

"But her explanation appears to have satisfied some influential Republicans on the committee, undercutting both Nunes and Trump and raising new questions about whether any Trump associates tried to arrange back-channel discussions with the Russians. "I didn't hear anything to believe that she did anything illegal," Florida Rep. Tom Rooney, a Republican helping to lead the panel's Russia invesigation, told CNN of Rice's testimony. He declined to discuss any of the contents of her classified remarks."

Sorry to shoot down the false narrative. Yet again.

Her first explanation was the " she knew nothing " and I thought Trumps associates needed to be unmasked because they were colluding with Russia ?

Rice admitted had nothing to do with Russia

The problem Rice's second lie is she wasnt the only Obama crony unmasking

Obama's pick for US Ambassador to the UN, Samantha Powers unmasked hundreds of people in the last year of Obama's Presidency.

https://www.google.com/amp/freebeac...-unmasked-hundreds-last-year-obama-admin/amp/
 
Susan Rice & Devin Nunes ?Unmasking? Controversy: Did Rice Lie? | National Review


" Former national security adviser Susan Rice privately told House investigators that she unmasked the identities of senior Trump officials to understand why the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates was in New York late last year, multiple sources told CNN.

The Obama administration felt misled by the United Arab Emirates, which had failed to mention that Zayed was coming to the United States even though it’s customary for foreign dignitaries to notify the US government about their travels, according to several sources familiar with the matter. Rice, who served as then-President Obama’s national security adviser in his second term, told the House Intelligence Committee last week that she requested the names of the Americans mentioned in the classified report be revealed internally, a practice officials in both parties say is common."

What ?? So she needed to unmask the identities of Trump officials, who were being wiretapped too, to understand why the Crown Prince of the UAE, which has been a US ally for 40 plus years, was coming to New York ? Lol !

Susan Rice has never been a good liar, but that just makes no sense whatsoever plus it wasn't only Susan Rice unmasking Trump officials. US Ambassador the UN Samantha Powers was also unmasking the identities of Trumps campaign staff.

Former U.N. Amb. Power Unmasked ‘Hundreds’ In Final Year Of Obama Admin

Former U.N. Amb. Power Unmasked 'Hundreds' In Last Year Of Obama Admin
ummm, what exactly do you think unmasking means? And why do you think it's bad? I understand the actual concept, but I'm not sure you do, and I'm curious as to what you think it means.
 
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" Former national security adviser Susan Rice privately told House investigators that she unmasked the identities of senior Trump officials to understand why the crown prince of the United Arab Emirates was in New York late last year, multiple sources told CNN.​

That doesn't seem like it would be a legal reason to unmask a person.
 
Trump campaign did something questionable ? What are you talking about ?

Susan Rice testified under oath that her unmaskings had nothing to do with Russia.

Again, she stated that Obama asked her to unmask the names of Trump campaign staff ( who were already under surveillance ) to get a better idea of why the Crown prince of the UAE was traveling to New York.

Lol ! Huh ? Talk about questionable, thats Susan Rice doing what she does best, lying.

Why didn't she ask the Crown prince of the UAE why he was coming to New York?

Did Obama's administration assume the ally would lie if he was asked?
 
Her first explanation was the " she knew nothing " and I thought Trumps associates needed to be unmasked because they were colluding with Russia ?

Rice admitted had nothing to do with Russia

The problem Rice's second lie is she wasnt the only Obama crony unmasking

Obama's pick for US Ambassador to the UN, Samantha Powers unmasked hundreds of people in the last year of Obama's Presidency.

https://www.google.com/amp/freebeac...-unmasked-hundreds-last-year-obama-admin/amp/

Yawn. Same old lies, eh?

And 'believed to have' doesn't equate to 'actually did', esp. from questionable sources.

Two swings and two misses. Rice's motivations and actions were legal and have been justified. No one's asking you to like it.
 
They lied about doing it. Are you ok with that?

They knew they were doing wrong. That's why they lied about it.

Just to be clear, you're argument is that if someone lies about their actions, it's because they know that what they did was wrong?
 
Look the Trump team was being watched since 2015--and not by U.S. intelligence sources.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Which is why Trump Jr. couldn't pull off a secret meeting at the Trump tower in June of 2016.


Which is why Shep Smith knew in February 2017, that Trump surrogates were on the phone with Russian intelligence agents, including the very day that the Russians hacked into DNC databases--while the Trump team denied any contact with Russians during the campaign season 17 times.
Kushner contradicts Trump team's denials of Russia contacts - CNNPolitics

https://youtu.be/fysSDYkhHlU

Mueller has convened 2 Grand Jury's, loaded up on over 15 criminal prosecutors & money laundering experts, and just added the criminal division of the IRS. While Trump is also under investigation for Obstruction of Justice.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/specia...er-using-grand-jury-in-widening-russia-probe/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthon...mp-russia-investigation-the-irs/#5a8ad7d975ac
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...28ba60fbb98_story.html?utm_term=.396996f708d3

It didn't help that Trump went on an NBC interview with Lestor Holt and admitted that he fired Comey over the Russian investigation.


Today--Mueller is having Rod Roseinstein (Deputy Attorney General) testify. Right wing talk show hosts are NOT reporting any of this information, and I doubt FOX News is reporting a lot of it. The only person who is covering every daily detail is your Nemisis, MSNBC--Rachel Maddow.

This is no doubt the most serious scandal in this Nation's history. This is not just a "tit for tat."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/james-...ndal-pales-in-comparison-with-russian-claims/


Lol ! Oh FFS.

A sitting FBI director committing obstruction of justice by exonerating a Presidential candidate weeks before the FBI even starts their investigation is a far bigger scandal than the Russian conspiracy silliness.

Lorretta Lynch's and Bill Clintons tarmac meeting after Comey decided to exonerate Hillary is a far bigger scandal too

A sitting President surveilling the Political oppositions campaign staff before a election and a National Security Advisor and the US Ambassador to the UN unmasking hundreds of identities and then lying about it is a much bigger scandal than this Russian nonsense.

Back in March, Clapper said none of Trumps camapign staff were wiretaped. Well, he lied. Trumps Camapign Chairman was wiretapped while Susan Rice and Samantha Powers were unmasking the identities of Trump associates.

So spare the BS that this Russian conspiracy drivel thats been going on for over a year now with zero evidence to back it up is the biggest scandal in American history
 
Yawn. Same old lies, eh?

And 'believed to have' doesn't equate to 'actually did', esp. from questionable sources.

Two swings and two misses. Rice's motivations and actions were legal and have been justified. No one's asking you to like it.

No Susan Rice came up with some new lies.
At least she was honest about one thing, the unmaskings had nothing to do with Russia
 
And you wouldn't have either if Hillary had won.

no, I would not have cared either way

HRC & Trump are both complete ****ing lunatics; the only difference is HRC has a lot of government & diplomatic experience & Trump has NONE, which is painfully obvious from the past eight months

BESIDES THAT point, I voted for neither of these two asshats .............
 
Just to be clear, you're argument is that if someone lies about their actions, it's because they know that what they did was wrong?

Why did Rice lie, if she believed she hadn't done anything wrong?
 
Why did Rice lie, if she believed she hadn't done anything wrong?

Please answer the question.

Is your argument that if someone lies about their actions, it's because they know that what they did was wrong?
 
Rice, who served as then-President Obama’s national security adviser in his second term, told the House Intelligence Committee last week that she requested the names of the Americans mentioned in the classified report be revealed internally, a practice officials in both parties say is common."

Oh fenton, by now even you know there is nothing wrong with “unmasking”. You posted it. Here read it again.

a practice officials in both parties say is common.

Not illegal. Not nefarious. common. But we both know that you don’t care about the facts. You simply wont let go of a narrative you like no matter how false it is. (tell us again that fannie mae had trillions in subprime debt). Again when it comes time to choose narrative or integrity, conservatives choose narrative. anyhoo, instead of flailing about “unmasking” why not yourself why so many Trump officials were in a position to be “unmasked”.
 
Please answer the question.

Is your argument that if someone lies about their actions, it's because they know that what they did was wrong?

Nice dodge. :lamo
 
Just have to understand that the political elite, both Republican and democrat HATE TRUMP. So nothing like this matters. Sessions has proven to be ineffective, McConnell & Ryan could care less, while Schumer and Pelosi rejoice.

So unless politicians can pull off a coup, none of this will matter. Fox will cover this stuff, other media outlets are having too much fun using Trump as a punching bag.

Not sure what this means for our democracy, as we seem to be in a never ending tit-for-tat. So the next democratic president can expect to have to go through this impeachment drill.

Oh look, a slightly liberal poster moans about “political elites” and whines about Trump being a “punching bag” (and in double spaced random blurt format). Er uh slightly liberal poster, that’s the snowflake conservative narrative. And as usual it requires you to ignore the actual facts. Slightly liberal posters don’t ignore the facts. Conservative posters do. Hey, here’s a crazy idea, why not explain to fenton that “unmasking is bad” is just another lying conservative narrative. Slightly liberal posters debunk conservative lies, we don’t encourage them.
 
I think Comey's charm is wearing thin and I doubt he's as liked and respected as he once was.

He's a ex-FBI director that by all indications committed obstruction of justice.

He had Hillary exonerated before the FBI interviewed her and the other witnesses and thats never going to wash off

He didnt go rogue and do all this on his own either. The decision to let her walk regardless of the evidence came from Obama, but he agreed to go through with it

I think the reports of FBI rank and file being near mutinous at the time are accurate and his press conference was his way of restoring moral

I was speaking of Comey being well loved by the only people who are supposed to matter, the Elite Class, but sure a lot of people in the FBI are not happy with how it was on his watch that they lost being the last or almost the last island in Washington not corrupted by politics, this was something that they were proud of. Hell even SCOTUS has been ruined by politics, and the FBI was better than them, that's something to be proud of.

BTW dont you find it fascinating that in all this time that Comey has been gone we have seen so little interest from the so-called journalists in getting inside his FBI Director years to find out what he did and how well he did it? Are we to believe that there are no current or former agents and other insiders who know what he did and are not too happy about what he did and want the rest of us to know what he did? Or maybe the opposite, think that he did a great job and want to convince the nation that he did a great job? This means something (Other than our journalists suck bad now, this should not even be a matter of dispute anymore), I just dont know what....yet.
 
Oh fenton, by now even you know there is nothing wrong with “unmasking”. You posted it. Here read it again.

a practice officials in both parties say is common.

Not illegal. Not nefarious. common. But we both know that you don’t care about the facts. You simply wont let go of a narrative you like no matter how false it is. (tell us again that fannie mae had trillions in subprime debt). Again when it comes time to choose narrative or integrity, conservatives choose narrative. anyhoo, instead of flailing about “unmasking” why not yourself why so many Trump officials were in a position to be “unmasked”.

Oh yea right, sitting Presidents always wiretap the opposition party's campaigns staff, happens all the time. And US Ambassadors to the UN ? They unmask opposition candidates and they're staff all the time too

Former U.N. Amb. Power Unmasked ‘Hundreds’ In Final Year Of Obama Admin
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/former-u-n-amb-power-unmasked-hundreds-last-year-obama-admin/


tell us again that fannie mae had trillions in subprime debt.

I've posted this before Vern, it details the hundreds of billions of dollars of Alt-A and CountryWide debt OMITTED each year from 2004-2008 from Fannie Mae's quarterly SEC reports. I have to assume it too complex for you to understand it
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2011/comp-pr2011-267-fanniemae.pdf
 
That doesn't seem like it would be a legal reason to unmask a person.
Give her a chance. Its only her third lie about her actions. She's gone from lying about knowing anything about it to lying about doing it to lying about why and then lying again about why...wait...thats 4 times...

But the leftists trust her. Leftists HATE liars......
 

Samantha Power sought to unmask Americans on almost daily basis, sources say

Samantha Power sought to unmask Americans on almost daily basis, sources say | Fox News


During a public congressional hearing earlier this year, Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina pressed former CIA director John Brennan on unmasking, without mentioning Power by name.

Gowdy: Do you recall any U.S. ambassadors asking that names be unmasked?

Brennan: I don't know. Maybe it's ringing a vague bell but I'm not -- I could not answer with any confidence.

Gowdy continued, asking: On either January 19 or up till noon on January 20, did you make any unmasking requests?

Brennan: I do not believe I did.

Gowdy: So you did not make any requests on the last day that you were employed?

Brennan: No, I was not in the agency on the last day I was employed.




Yea Ambassadors to the UN do this all the time, right ?
 
Oh yea right, sitting Presidents always wiretap the opposition party's campaigns staff, happens all the time. And US Ambassadors to the UN ? They unmask opposition candidates and they're staff all the time too

Poor fenton, see how you cant address your obedient narrative of “unmasking bad” so you have to quickly deflect with more hyperbole to imply something illegal. If they were illegal wiretaps susan wouldn’t need to unmask anybody. It really is a simply concept. We were wiretapping the russians and trumps campaign staff kept “checking in with them.” I guess you desperately have to avoid trying to explain why so many of trump’s staff were in a position to be unmasked.

I've posted this before Vern, it details the hundreds of billions of dollars of Alt-A and CountryWide debt OMITTED each year from 2004-2008 from Fannie Mae's quarterly SEC reports. I have to assume it too complex for you to understand it

Yes Fenton, you have posted it before and always claimed it was "trillions and trillions". You claimed that even after I proved it was false. You would even call me a liar for posting the facts. But that doesn’t address the fact that you used to say “trillions and trillions” even after it was proven a lie. and I actually proved it using your link. thanks for the laughs.

The GSEs went bankrupt holding Trillions in debt in Subprime securities and loans and that was all caused by post 2004 Subprime loans.
 
Poor fenton, see how you cant address your obedient narrative of “unmasking bad” so you have to quickly deflect with more hyperbole to imply something illegal. If they were illegal wiretaps susan wouldn’t need to unmask anybody. It really is a simply concept. We were wiretapping the russians and trumps campaign staff kept “checking in with them.” I guess you desperately have to avoid trying to explain why so many of trump’s staff were in a position to be unmasked.



Yes Fenton, you have posted it before and always claimed it was "trillions and trillions". You claimed that even after I proved it was false. You would even call me a liar for posting the facts. But that doesn’t address the fact that you used to say “trillions and trillions” even after it was proven a lie. and I actually proved it using your link. thanks for the laughs.


Did Power Try To Unmask 260 People? | The Daily Caller


Former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power tried to reveal the identity of more than 260 Americans in 2016, according to a Fox News report published Wednesday.

" The ex-public official allegedly averaged more than one unmasking request for each formal working day, even continuing her spree towards the final days of the Obama administration.

The House Intelligence Committee’s unmasking probe named Power as a person of interest, along with former Obama national security advisers Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes, as well as former CIA Director John Brennan. Congressional investigators suspect that at least one of them may have tried to obtain the identities of Trump associates through intelligence reports."

Weird, Samantha Powers unmasking Trump associates is no biggie according to the Left, but there's John Brennan lying about it...

 
No Susan Rice came up with some new lies.
At least she was honest about one thing, the unmaskings had nothing to do with Russia

Well whatever--but I think it's all tied in together. The Saudi Prince not announcing his visit to the Trump tower, while Barack Obama was still the President--says that Trump has business in Saudi Arabia--that no one else was supposed to know about. I believe it has everything to do with Michael Flynn--(who is now in deep kim chee) who was forming an alliance with Russia to install nuclear power plants in Saudi Arabia.

A pair of top House Democrats are digging into whether former national security adviser Michael Flynn may have misled officials on his security clearance form about two Middle East trips -- including one reportedly about building $100 billion worth of nuclear energy plants with help from Russia's nuclear power agency.

The top Democrats on the House oversight committee and the House foreign affairs committee sent a request to Flynn's lawyers -- as well as two consultants -- seeking additional documents about a summer 2015 trip he took to the Middle East to float a nuclear energy deal involving Russia.
The letter cites a recent Newsweek article detailing Flynn's previously undisclosed trip and a plan that involved Saudi Arabia selling energy from the nuclear projects to US allies in the Middle East and a promise from those Gulf countries to purchase $100 billion in arms from Russia that otherwise would have been sold to Iran.
House Dems probe into reported Flynn, Saudi Russia energy deal - CNNPolitics
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...saudi-nuclear-project-in-filing-democrats-say

With this adminstration there is always going to be a personal business interest, and those interests center around Russia.
 
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