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Chefs react angrily as federal appeals court upholds California ban on foie gras

Cardinal said:
Geese didn't invent feeding tubes being forced down their throats twice a day.
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Calves that are used for veal are force fed. They're usually stripped from the teat within a few hours after birth.
 
Cardinal said:
Your post misses the point of what foise gras actually is.
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It is a dangerous slippery slope.

FYI this ban is useless if other states allow it. In fact, this will probably increase the consumption of foie gras.
 
As a outdoorsman, I prefer not to see animals suffering pain over a prolonged period.

Call me a bleeding heart if ya like, but all animals should be shown some level of respect by humans.
 
Cardinal said:
I don't know what point you're trying to make, but it's probably stupid.
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They use electric shock to stun the bird, then cut it's head off.

Ever seen a kill line for cows?
 
Cardinal said:
Your post misses the point of what foise gras actually is.
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No, I know exactly what it is and I know it does not require force feeding or any cruelty (as the video I posted earlier proves)

Force feeding healthy animals should be banned, not foie gras
 
sangha said:
No, I know exactly what it is and I know it does not require force feeding or any cruelty (as the video I posted earlier proves)

Force feeding healthy animals should be banned, not foie gras
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What, in your words, is foise gras?
 
sangha said:
Duck or goose liver that is harvested after the bird has gorged in the fall to prepare for winter
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Well, good news then: if you're preparing your foie gras without forcing a feeding tube down the goose's throat, you're good to go.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, good news then: if you're preparing your foie gras without forcing a feeding tube down the goose's throat, you're good to go.
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Not in CA!

More good news: Thanks to me, you learned how wrong you are about foie gras, including (but not limited to) learning how to spell it
 
sangha said:
Not in CA!

More good news: Thanks to me, you learned how wrong you are about foie gras, including (but not limited to) learning how to spell it
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You can serve "foie gras" in CA per your personal definition of how it's prepared, though if you're reported you'll probably lose a day or two while you explain to inspectors that you're not making that kind of foie gras.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, good news then: if you're preparing your foie gras without forcing a feeding tube down the goose's throat, you're good to go.
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This case will go the SCOTUS and will get overturned like the majority of the 9ths cases that go before the Supreme Court.
The state once again just like in NY overstepped their bounds.
 
Cardinal said:
You can serve "foie gras" in CA per your personal definition of how it's prepared, though if you're reported you'll probably lose a day or two while you explain to inspectors that you're not making that kind of foie gras.
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I am not so certain about that. The definition of force feeding under SB 1520 (the CA law which bans force feeding) is not very clear.

(b) Force feeding a bird means a process that causes the bird to consume more food than a typical bird of the same species would consume voluntarily. Force feeding methods include, but are not limited to, delivering feed through a tube or other device inserted into the bird’s esophagus.
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Under that definition, anyone who gives their birds foods that they know the birds love could be considered "force feeding" if it results in the birds eating more than "a typical bird" (which does not have access to so much delicious food)
 
Cardinal said:
Any inhumane methods for raising and killing livestock are not prerequisites for the preparation of meat. The manner of how geese are treated is specific to the preparation of foise gras. In other words, there is a humane way to raise a cow for future hamburgers or steak, but there is no humane way to prepare foise gras.
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I'm simply pointing out that how most farm animals are treated is just as cruel or worse than foie gras. Why aren't we boycotting all of it exactly? There ARE ways to prepare foie gras that do not require force feeding, so why ban it at all according to your logic? Maybe there are better ways to treat other animals for the preparation of meat, but the fact remains that this isn't what happens. Isn't that the problem here, not that it COULD be done better? I also think you dismiss the cruelty of killing them in the first place much too quickly.

ludin said:
I hope you don't eat meat at all, and if you don't that is your choice. The court is out of bounds as usual.
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I'm a vegan actually.

Cool thing about freedom you can pick what you want. Next time I will have a great big medium steak because I like it. You don't get to push your militant views on other people.
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As ridiculous as you may think it is to suggest this, you refuse to consider the choices of these animals. It's not a personal choice when it involves someone else. What about their freedom and physical security? Does it escape your considerations simply because they aren't human?

They are food not pets.
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What exactly is your point here? "Food" and "pet" are arbitrary labels, and we aren't bound by them. People have chickens, cows, and pigs as pets. People treat cats and dogs like they're food. WE make these choices, it isn't a fixed game. Think for yourself for a change.

chuckiechan said:
I have weeds in my lawn with more brains than a goose.
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Hah! Citation please? Clearly you know nothing about the science of animal cognition.

holbritter said:
The difference is that what is done to the geese is the only way to make that. Killing chickens like you mentioned is not necessary and is not done that way at all places.
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Except it is possible to prepare foie gras without force feeding.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/18/the-farmer-who-makes-ethical-foie-gras

So again, why aren't we boycotting all of it? You say it isn't necessary to treat chickens that way, but the fact remains that this is what happens to the majority of them at factory farms. And it IS necessary actually given the current demand of animal products. Unless we reduce our consumption factory farms will not go away. Small family farms have even been forced to change to intensive conditions to stay competitive.
 
Brother AJ said:
I'm a vegan actually.
As ridiculous as you may think it is to suggest this, you refuse to consider the choices of these animals. It's not a personal choice when it involves someone else. What about their freedom and physical security? Does it escape your considerations simply because they aren't human?
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They are food. You choose not to eat them I do. I love ribs, pulled pork, steak, hamburgers and the best of all bacon.
There is really nothing to consider. They are animals.
Again you don't get to force your militant views on people.


What exactly is your point here? "Food" and "pet" are arbitrary labels, and we aren't bound by them. People have chickens, cows, and pigs as pets. People treat cats and dogs like they're food. WE make these choices, it isn't a fixed game. Think for yourself for a change.
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Yes you should think. These are animals for food. They get killed people eat them.
Nothing wrong with it we have been doing it for centuries.
The goose is going to die regardless.
 
ludin said:
They are food. You choose not to eat them I do. I love ribs, pulled pork, steak, hamburgers and the best of all bacon.
There is really nothing to consider. They are animals. Again you don't get to force your militant views on people.
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"They are animals" explains nothing. Humans are animals. You're simply begging the question and refusing to consider alternate viewpoints. There's really no point in debating you if you refuse to answer my questions.

Yes you should think. These are animals for food. They get killed people eat them. Nothing wrong with it we have been doing it for centuries.The goose is going to die regardless.
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I believe in critical thinking actually. I should have specified that. That means refusing to simply take things for granted, to ask questions, and to not let tradition dogmatically guide your thinking.
 
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nota bene said:
It can be very dangerous. I went to college with a fellow from Liberia (named Othello--no, really!) and learned from him that monkeys are a fave bushmeat. Eating bushmeat can be very dangerous; for example, SIV (the "S" is for "Simian") has transferred across species and become HIV.
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I'm sorry it's so graphic. But this is how it's done...

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It's a special table built specifically for that purpose. Take heart in that this particular monkey is long since dead...
 
MaggieD said:
I'm sorry it's so graphic. But this is how it's done...

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It's a special table built specifically for that purpose. Take heart in that this particular monkey is long since dead...
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I saw a video forever ago...warm brains served in a wooden bowl at the table and directly from the cracked skull.
 
nota bene said:
I saw a video forever ago...warm brains served in a wooden bowl at the table and directly from the cracked skull.
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It is hard to imagine. And if we saw what geese went thru for this so-called orgasmic experience, it would be horrific.
 
joG said:
The way we got smokers to quite smoking.
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Central government control enforced with state violence, check
 
Brother AJ said:
Well, quite frankly, I think you and those chefs need to get over yourselves. Your pleasure is not worth the death and torture of another.


Sounds good really. The methods we use on those animals are far from being less cruel, but I see killing an animal as a cruelty in itself either way. You're correct to point out the hypocrisy.


Honestly, is that really that much worse than what other animals experience on a daily basis? For example, poultry are not even covered under the Humane Slaughter Act and routinely have their throats slit open while fully conscious, followed by a dip in boiling hot water which many experience while still alive. Poultry make up the VAST MAJORITY of animals that are killed in America as well as worldwide by the way.


Well actually, IT IS necessary when it comes to meeting the intense demand for animal products that exists all over the world. The only way these intensive conditions would not be necessary would be if we were to reduce our consumption of animal products by a significant amount, or to refrain from eating them altogether.


Yes, good point. It should be noted that this is to be expected when you treat living beings as disposable commodities. The potential for abuse is exponential.
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That is a traditional slaughter method, I have used it myself for backyard poultry, if you cut the artery right the chicken loses so much blood pressure so quickly their suffering isn't long, they fade out of consciousness before being dipped in the water
 
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