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Chinese Ambassador: China ‘will never allow chaos and war’ on the Korean Peninsula

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Yes_Minister said:
They are more likely to flee to China, because North Korean population has the painted the South Koreans as wanting to murder them and the border between NK and China is more open then the one with SK.
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The people of the south of Korea and the people of the north of Korea both know that it was the USA and the USA's dirty, vicious right wing dictators that murdered the hundreds of thousands of Koreans from the south. The USA brings freedom by slaughtering those who have a different political leaning than the right wing Nazism of the USA.

There were war crimes trials held in NYC in the 1990s for the US's war crimes in Korea, with Koreans from the north and the south.

AFTER 50 YEARS OF SUFFERING: TRIBUNAL FINDS U.S. �GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES IN KOREA

Koreans From North and South Present Evidence

Images from Tribunal Testimony: a photo album

Four minute video clip [longer version in production]

By John Catalinotto
New York

June 27, 2003--Fifty years of enforced silence were broken on June 23 when �Korean victims of U.S. war crimes finally had the chance to �tell an International War Crimes Tribunal about what had �happened to them.

Some 600 people attended the historic gathering at the �Interchurch Center of Riverside Church. Large delegations of �Koreans came from South Korea, Japan, Canada and Germany, as �well as from all over the U.S. Most evidence was presented �in Korean and English to the multinational audience.

The U.S. State Department had refused visas to a delegation �of 11 lawyers bringing evidence from the Democratic People's �Republic of Korea. The South Korean government had barred �some witnesses from boarding planes to the U.S., sparking �protests in Seoul.

Tribunal organizers saw this as proof that both Washington �and Seoul fear the impact of the truth about the U.S.'s �colonial relationship with Korea.

The testimony of victims from North Korea was presented via �videotape.

Listening intently to the evidence were over two dozen �jurists from 17 countries. Twelve of these countries �participated in the 1950-1953 war against Korea. After four �sessions of deliberating over the testimony, this jury �unanimously found the U.S. government and military guilty of �19 counts of war crimes committed against Korea from 1945 �until 2001.

http://iacenter.org/Koreafiles/ktc_guilty.htm
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joG said:
Chinese are well known for talking with two tongues and remarkably good at it.
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Please, joG, the US are the world's leading liars. Look how badly they have duped all of you. The US has been at war for 93% of its years as a nation, all based on US lies.

The US made about 500 treaties with Native Americans and the USA broke about 500 treaties. That's where "White man speaks with forked tongue" came from.
 
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camlok said:
The US was the total cause of that. When will the US normalize and become something other than a rogue nation?

The US had the usual US stranglehold embargo on Vietnam. You folks really have got to get rid of your rank propaganda system so that you can be informed world citizens, actual kind, benevolent world citizens instead of the grand supporters of the world's worst war criminals/terrorists.

Notice how the reasons are always about the conceited USA. You all murder three million people in a massive set of war crimes, where the US was only trying to steal the wealth of the Vietnamese people and it's still "oh our poor missing war criminals".

What of the millions who were blown to smithereens by US carpet bombing in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos?

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OPENING TO VIETNAM; CLINTON DROPS 19-YEAR BAN ON U.S. TRADE WITH VIETNAM; CITES HANOI'S HELP ON M.I.A.'S
By DOUGLAS JEHL,
Published: February 4, 1994

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3— President Clinton today ordered an end to the trade embargo on Vietnam, casting away a central remnant of one of America's most divisive wars and opening a potentially lucrative market to American goods.

After nearly two decades of a bitter peace, Mr. Clinton said it was now time to acknowledge the cooperation Vietnam has shown in the search for evidence of the 2,238 Americans still officially listed as missing from that conflict, which ended in 1975. He said opening the door to trade would benefit that still-unfinished search.

OPENING TO VIETNAM - CLINTON DROPS 19-YEAR BAN ON U.S. TRADE WITH VIETNAM - CITES HANOI'S HELP ON M.I.A.'S - NYTimes.com
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You are right. Vietnam was not well advised to hang back so long. Had they not, the opening would have been much earlier and a generation of Vietnamese would have prospered. But they stuck with the "communist" dictators and so it goes.
 
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camlok said:
Please, joG, the US are the world's leading liars. Look how badly they have duped all of you. The US has been at war for 93% of its years as a nation, all based on US lies.

The US made about 500 treaties with Native Americans and the USA broke about 500 treaties. That's where "White man speaks with forked tongue" came from.
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As I said, you watch too much RT without balancing it. Alternatively, it might be you have a vested interest in saying such stuff. I have looked closely at a good number of situations your generalizations are probably meant to refer to. And you know what? In those you were mostly quite wrong.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
It is their move Maggs. The US has bent over, kneeled down, paid protection money to the DPRK, paid extortion money, given them food, energy, and technology, and this is where all that good faith, good will, and good effort has gotten us.

Right now the US has three options: 1) Give the DPRK whatever they want while they continue to threaten world peace which will inevitably end in war after the DPRK is even stronger and more dangerous, or 2) force Russia and especially China to act by removing the Kim regime if they don't turn all their nukes over to them immediately, or 3) attack the DPRK the very next time they launch a missile toward Japan Guam, or some fish in the Pacific, or when they fire off another nuke.

That's it. That's where we are.
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Trump in actively engaged in option number two...though he is only insistent upon the denuclearization of NK. If China has to remove Kim to accomplish that I don't think Trump will cry.

What is significant to me is HOW Trump is engaged in this option. Trump is using economics as his weapon of choice. In fact, Trump is using this very weapon throughout the world. NAFTA, Pakistan, Afghanistan, the rest of the ME, Europe, Russia, Venezuela...the list goes on.

I don't think we've ever had a President...at least not in my lifetime...who has such a complete understanding of world economics, the ability...and the will...to use that understanding to his advantage.

Anyway, here is my prediction: By the time Trump visits China in November, six-party talks will be agreed to. These talks will result in NK giving up their nuclear weapons ambitions (or Kim will suddenly and mysteriously meet his demise). Trump is forcing China in that direction...by using economics as his weapon.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
The North Korean government actively prevents people from leaving the country, if the North Korean regime suddenly fell, there would not be an internal factor preventing the population from fleeing the country to China. They are more likely to flee to China, because North Korean population has the painted the South Koreans as wanting to murder them and the border between NK and China is more open then the one with SK.
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The Chinese government is not welcoming to external refugees. They have only one source of welcomed refugees, and that is Vietnam, and even then the rate on a per-capita basis is low... and they would most certainly not accept a flood of people unchecked across their border with NK. The Chinese would sooner shoot them as intruders than accept them.
 
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MaggieD said:
Why don't China and Russia for NK to the table? It would seem to be their move...
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Most likely because they like what North Korea is doing. It is definitely in their perceived interest.
 
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"China ‘will never allow chaos and war’ on the Korean Peninsula"

The question is "would they participate in a war if it broke out? They did before. How about now?
 
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jmotivator said:
The Chinese government is not welcoming to external refugees. They have only one source of welcomed refugees, and that is Vietnam, and even then the rate on a per-capita basis is low... and they would most certainly not accept a flood of people unchecked across their border with NK. The Chinese would sooner shoot them as intruders than accept them.
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Yeah, but China would rather not deal with any of that all, which is why they support the NK regime.
 
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fmw said:
"China ‘will never allow chaos and war’ on the Korean Peninsula"

The question is "would they participate in a war if it broke out? They did before. How about now?
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They have said they stay neutral if NK strikes first and support NK if the US strikes first.
 
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joG said:
You are right. Vietnam was not well advised to hang back so long. Had they not, the opening would have been much earlier and a generation of Vietnamese would have prospered. But they stuck with the "communist" dictators and so it goes.
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You are grasping at straws, joG, just to prop up the lame story that the USA is a force for good. All the evidence clearly points out that the US is, has always been a force for evil.

Vietnam has the same government now as it had all during the time the US was illegally invading their country.

The USA will do business with the most evil of governments. You do know that the US was doing business with the Nazis for much of WWII. There's never any "do what is right" for the USA, it's always "do what makes us money money money, who cares about the poor and the downtrodden".

Note, and note well, that the "communist" countries, China and Russia aided the Vietnamese in throwing out the invading hordes of Americans/Aussies/... and then they returned home just like the good world citizens they are.
 
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joG said:
As I said, you watch too much RT without balancing it. Alternatively, it might be you have a vested interest in saying such stuff. I have looked closely at a good number of situations your generalizations are probably meant to refer to. And you know what? In those you were mostly quite wrong.
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I'm always overwhelmed by the copious evidence provided by USA supporters and you have sure kept up your end, joG. I do have a vested interest - the truth.

Note again your total lack of even a decent argument, let alone any proof. As the US is this grand savior, this warm, kind benevolent country the evidence should be massive, profuse, copious, gushing, pouring forth in great amounts, ... doncha figger?
 
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Yes_Minister said:
They have said they stay neutral if NK strikes first and support NK if the US strikes first.
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Then statement in the OP is not true. Apparently they will allow war on the peninsula. They may or may not participate.
 
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fmw said:
Then statement in the OP is not true. Apparently they will allow war on the peninsula. They may or may not participate.
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Yeah, well like most politicans from across the world, the Chinese officals will tailor their message based on the stituation.
 
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camlok said:
I'm always overwhelmed by the copious evidence provided by USA supporters and you have sure kept up your end, joG. I do have a vested interest - the truth.

Note again your total lack of even a decent argument, let alone any proof. As the US is this grand savior, this warm, kind benevolent country the evidence should be massive, profuse, copious, gushing, pouring forth in great amounts, ... doncha figger?
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You sound very much like Mao's letters to the children.
 
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Wall Street Journal exposed China's duplicity as it has become clear that China is the main facilitator of North Korea's nuclear weapons program. China accepts hundreds of aspiring nuclear scientists from North Korea each year to study at China's technological universities, which is a gross violation of the NPT. These North Korean postgraduate and Ph.D. students brought thousands of academic papers on nuclear physics home, thus contributing to the development of the first hydrogen bomb in North Korea. Russia officially refuses to support North Korea’s nuclear ambitions and supports international sanctions against the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea (DPRK).

HARBIN, China—When North Korea tested what it said was a domestically produced hydrogen bomb on Sunday—a week after launching its 18th ballistic missile of the year—it was a reminder of a conundrum at the heart of the country’s nuclear program. How has it advanced so rapidly despite concerted international efforts to keep weapons-related technology out of its hands?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind...ientists-who-bring-technology-home-1504711605
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joG said:
You sound very much like Mao's letters to the children.
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Do you think that qualifies as evidence, joG?
 
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camlok said:
Do you think that qualifies as evidence, joG?
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Nope. It qualifies as a reason to take your arguments with a pound of salt.
 
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ThirdTerm said:
Wall Street Journal exposed China's duplicity as it has become clear that China is the main facilitator of North Korea's nuclear weapons program. China accepts hundreds of aspiring nuclear scientists from North Korea each year to study at China's technological universities, which is a gross violation of the NPT. These North Korean postgraduate and Ph.D. students brought thousands of academic papers on nuclear physics home, thus contributing to the development of the first hydrogen bomb in North Korea. Russia officially refuses to support North Korea’s nuclear ambitions and supports international sanctions against the Democratic People’s Republic of North Korea (DPRK).
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China is well aware of the war crimes, the terrorist activities of the USA against Korea over the last 75 years. China has been the recipient of that same US terrorism in its history also.

Where is the Wall Street Journal in pointing out USA duplicity, which has been going on for 235 years?

Have they pointed out that the USA introduced nuclear weapons to Korea in 1958?

Have they pointed out the war crimes tribunal held in New York city that found the US guilty of war crimes against Korea during and after WWII?

Have they pointed out that “Rapes were extremely common. Koreans in the South will still say that that was one of the worst things of the war (was how)many American soldiers were raping Korean women.”

The Korean War: The ?Unknown War?. The Coverup of US War Crimes | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization
 
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joG said:
Nope. It qualifies as a reason to take your arguments with a pound of salt.
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Why are you folks so bound and determined to deny reality? What you do is attack me when all I have done is provide the truth written mostly by US academics, from US government sources?

I asked for proof from you of how the US is a force for good. Why are you [all] having so much trouble providing that? US propaganda says it is the truth?
 
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camlok said:
Why are you folks so bound and determined to deny reality? What you do is attack me when all I have done is provide the truth written mostly by US academics, from US government sources?

I asked for proof from you of how the US is a force for good. Why are you [all] having so much trouble providing that? US propaganda says it is the truth?
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The reason for the displeasure is only that your half knowledge and views based on highly selective information are far removed from reality. Refutation would be quite simple in most cases, but more cumbersome than the forum format allows easily. When some dunce says the US did evil things, it is not falsifiable, as it is an open category of many situations. It is, in fact, a false argument for that reason. It is also a tool of the propagandist trade. And BTW, there are a few here that do it much more elegantly than you.
 
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joG said:
The reason for the displeasure is only that your half knowledge and views based on highly selective information are far removed from reality. Refutation would be quite simple in most cases, but more cumbersome than the forum format allows easily. When some dunce says the US did evil things, it is not falsifiable, as it is an open category of many situations. It is, in fact, a false argument for that reason. It is also a tool of the propagandist trade. And BTW, there are a few here that do it much more elegantly than you.
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Nice propaganda, joG. The research is much too voluminous, done by many top academics, top former CIA, who rely on US government sources.

Have you read the sources I have provided in this thread, one from the Chair of the Dept of History at U of Chicago? Why have to failed to address his extensive study of US war crimes in Korea?

But I haven't asked you to refute the myriad genocides, war crimes, terrorist actions, I have only asked for examples of the good things the USA has done, the actual good things, not the "good things" of the propaganda.

All you all provide are song and dance routines.
 
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Yes_Minister said:
Yeah, but China would rather not deal with any of that all, which is why they support the NK regime.
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China right now doesn't want to deal with North Korea fouling the good deal they have going with the US.

When push came to shove I don't think China would choose to back NK aggression and destroy their economy in the process. China is about China first and always, their relationship with NK is a matter of convenience and the tubby NK dictator is making that relationship increasingly less convenient.
 
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jmotivator said:
China is about China first and always,
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Again, the stunning hypocrisy, this finger pointing from the USA, and it ain't just you, jmotivator, although you have managed to catch yourself out.

China spent a large sum of its wealth and citizens, as did Russia, helping Vietnam throw the invading American hordes. They didn't take over Vietnam after that, nor did Russia. They both acted like good world citizens.
 
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jmotivator said:
I don't think China is afraid of a refugee crisis. If there aren't a flood of refugees now then there never will be. Also, China is serious with their borders and wouldn't hesitate to use any means necessary to stop a flow of unwanted refugees in to Chinese territory.
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China needs to **** or get off the pot in this thing.
 
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