Chinese Ambassador: China ‘will never allow chaos and war’ on the Korean Peninsula

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JamesBY said:

Read between the lines. The Chinese will kill Kim if they have to.

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They better do it soon before that fruitcake of theirs goes and does something stupid.

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Rogue Valley said:

Chinese Ambassador: China ‘will never allow chaos and war’ on the Korean Peninsula

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Diplomacy and sanctions are not working and I don't believe they will work. Kim isn't interested in diplomacy ... he is only a few more tests away from becoming an offensive nuclear power.

Sanctions? North Korea is already an enormous open air prison with a starving population. The Chinese black market is keeping NK afloat. Xi has a momentous decision to make and make quickly.

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abusive use of missiles

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I would like to know what is an abusive use of missiles is?

Is testing missiles abusive? I doubt it

Is using them to perform a first strike, sure, but NK has not done that

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JamesBY said:

Read between the lines. The Chinese will kill Kim if they have to.

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Hope so.

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Roadvirus said:

They better do it soon before that fruitcake of theirs goes and does something stupid.

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Yes soon. This hydrogen bomb he just tested set off a 6.3 earthquake. He needs to be taken out NOW.

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holbritter said:

Yes soon. This hydrogen bomb he just tested set off a 6.3 earthquake. He needs to be taken out NOW.

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So war is your option?

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JamesBY said:

Read between the lines. The Chinese will kill Kim if they have to.

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I'm not so sure, did they not earlier say they would remain neutral if NK attacks? Now they say they will never allow chaos and war on the Korean Peninsula. Seems to me they are giving Kim the green light.

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camlok said:

Give one good reason why the people of the north of Korea should stop resisting the 75 years of US war crimes and terrorism against them. To stay silent only gives the US its typical quiet in which it has run this 75 years of war crimes and terrorism.

It's the same with Cuba, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, Grenada, ... .

Q: Do you know why there will never be a coup d'etat in Washington, DC?

A:Because there is no USA embassy in Washington, DC.

-William Blum

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Aw, look at that! Our resident Red Army Faction fanboy is spewing yet more nonsense. What a surprise.

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joG said:

The same reason it made sense for Deng to open up to the world. If you isolate your economy you don't do well.

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Yes, China was approached as an equal by the US, they weren't threatened by the US, they were terrorized by the US, they weren't murdered and raped by the US, at least not then when Nixon went.

Such is not the case with Vietnam and Korea or Indonesia where US organized, sponsored and encouraged bloodbaths took place. [see below]

http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html

... in four months,
five times
as many
people died in
Indonesia as in
Vietnam in
twelve years."
-- Bertrand Russell, 1966

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joG said:

As long as China supports him and countries like canada, Russia or Germany say they will opose military intervention, there seems to Kim no reason to desist. He is betting he is safe.

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That sounds like China supporting him? Sounds to me like a threat that Kim had better heed.

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Team China/Russia/Iran has the power to solve this problem, and Leader China has a lot of incentive to step up to the plate......they cant claim the be the great wise Chinese Dynasty if they cant/wont......the real question though is can they? Do the leaders of China/Russia/Iran have the ability?

The leaders in the West surly do suck now, do the leaders in the East likewise?

IDK

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JANFU said:

So war is your option?

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No. We were talking about China taking him out.

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Mr. Invisible said:

It actually makes perfect sense that they are pushing for a political solution as the problems with NK are political, rather than military, in nature.

EDIT: On top of that, China doesn't want to US-SK to go to war as it wants to avoid having US troops directly on its border.

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When China says ‘will never allow chaos and war’ they should be talking to NK and not saying it at the UN.

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Sometimes I wish, that China would do to NK what they did to Tibet. They could easily. And I'm pretty sure the entire world would sigh with relief if they did.

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Mason66 said:

When China says ‘will never allow chaos and war’ they should be talking to NK and not saying it at the UN.

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I'm kinda thinking that they were reassuring the UN and warning NK at the same time.
You know those inscrutable Chinese...

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Rogue Valley said:

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Diplomacy and sanctions are not working and I don't believe they will work. Kim isn't interested in diplomacy ... he is only a few more tests away from becoming an offensive nuclear power.

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Offensive nuclear power? How many nations on earth has that been? And who are they? As in what number of nations have dropped one or more nuclear bombs as an offensive action, and provide the names of those countries?

Actually, I'll do it for you, it's only one country: The United States of America.

The odds of North Korea launching a nuke at another country--just for the hell of it--is slim to none.

I was in the US military. I know American culture post Vietnam War is one in which every US citizen is socially pressured to bow down to military Generals, the US military itself is to never be criticized, and citizens are pressured to believe the US military Generals and Admirals are the most open-minded Americans that only--and rarely--see danger except when it is really there in glaring detail.

But let me offer a counter perspective having served in the US military. The military is like the US American police forces across the country. Generals and Admirals are like Police Chiefs. They *always* see danger. And damned if their were no enemies or criminals respectively they would have to create one. The fact that the Generals and Admirals are tied to politicians and oligarchs only increases the odds they see "danger" behind every corner. They are also brought up in this Old World tradition of military and empire thinking that an empire or greater power must perpetually be trying to expand its domination otherwise it will lose everything. Yeah, like the Brits, French, Spaniards, and Turks are all living in abject poverty today because they no longer have massive empires with their armadas floating around all over the world. Last I checked the Brits and French seem to be living pretty okay (relative to Africa and Asia).

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camlok said:

Yes, China was approached as an equal by the US, they weren't threatened by the US, they were terrorized by the US, they weren't murdered and raped by the US, at least not then when Nixon went.

Such is not the case with Vietnam and Korea or Indonesia where US organized, sponsored and encouraged bloodbaths took place. [see below]

http://www.namebase.org/kadane.html

... in four months,
five times
as many
people died in
Indonesia as in
Vietnam in
twelve years."
-- Bertrand Russell, 1966

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Yes. The Vietnamese did take a lot of time to normalize. But they seem to be on their way now albeit following a suboptimal social trajectory. Had they been smart, they would have opened up in the late seventies. But the rulers didn't and a generation of the population paid a heavy price. That was very selfish of the Viet elite.

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Grand Mal said:

That sounds like China supporting him? Sounds to me like a threat that Kim had better heed.

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Chinese are well known for talking with two tongues and remarkably good at it. They have been telling Kim to desist for a long time, while keeping his regime alive

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holbritter said:

No. We were talking about China taking him out.

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Thank you- my apologies.

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FastPace said:

Offensive nuclear power? How many nations on earth has that been? And who are they? As in what number of nations have dropped one or more nuclear bombs as an offensive action, and provide the names of those countries?

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You don't seem to understand the nomenclature. An offensive nuclear power is a nation with the capability of accurately delivering a nuclear warhead(s) via ICBM.

FastPace said:

I was in the US military.

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Save your lecture. Many here at DP have served in the US military

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camlok said:

Give one good reason why the people of the north of Korea should stop resisting the 75 years of US war crimes and terrorism against them. To stay silent only gives the US its typical quiet in which it has run this 75 years of war crimes and terrorism.

It's the same with Cuba, Russia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Panama, Grenada, ... .

Q: Do you know why there will never be a coup d'etat in Washington, DC?

A:Because there is no USA embassy in Washington, DC.

-William Blum

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Grand Mal said:

That sounds like China supporting him? Sounds to me like a threat that Kim had better heed.

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90% of NK trade is between China. If China wanted a denuclearized NK, all they would have to do is scale back their trade to zero until the troll behaved.

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joG said:

Yes. The Vietnamese did take a lot of time to normalize. But they seem to be on their way now albeit following a suboptimal social trajectory. Had they been smart, they would have opened up in the late seventies. But the rulers didn't and a generation of the population paid a heavy price. That was very selfish of the Viet elite.

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The US was the total cause of that. When will the US normalize and become something other than a rogue nation?

The US had the usual US stranglehold embargo on Vietnam. You folks really have got to get rid of your rank propaganda system so that you can be informed world citizens, actual kind, benevolent world citizens instead of the grand supporters of the world's worst war criminals/terrorists.

Notice how the reasons are always about the conceited USA. You all murder three million people in a massive set of war crimes, where the US was only trying to steal the wealth of the Vietnamese people and it's still "oh our poor missing war criminals".

What of the millions who were blown to smithereens by US carpet bombing in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos?

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OPENING TO VIETNAM; CLINTON DROPS 19-YEAR BAN ON U.S. TRADE WITH VIETNAM; CITES HANOI'S HELP ON M.I.A.'S
By DOUGLAS JEHL,
Published: February 4, 1994

WASHINGTON, Feb. 3— President Clinton today ordered an end to the trade embargo on Vietnam, casting away a central remnant of one of America's most divisive wars and opening a potentially lucrative market to American goods.

After nearly two decades of a bitter peace, Mr. Clinton said it was now time to acknowledge the cooperation Vietnam has shown in the search for evidence of the 2,238 Americans still officially listed as missing from that conflict, which ended in 1975. He said opening the door to trade would benefit that still-unfinished search.

OPENING TO VIETNAM - CLINTON DROPS 19-YEAR BAN ON U.S. TRADE WITH VIETNAM - CITES HANOI'S HELP ON M.I.A.'S - NYTimes.com

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American said:

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Precisely!

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Yes_Minister said:

China has strategic reasons for supporting North Korea, China is worried that if NK collaspes, they will have a refugee crisis on their borders and they are worried that if NK collaspes, the SK government will take over and there will be US troops on their border.

For China, the ideal is to have NK remain but be defanged, but that is not going to happen and NK and the US may force China to pick a side.

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I don't think China is afraid of a refugee crisis. If there aren't a flood of refugees now then there never will be. Also, China is serious with their borders and wouldn't hesitate to use any means necessary to stop a flow of unwanted refugees in to Chinese territory.

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jmotivator said:

I don't think China is afraid of a refugee crisis. If there aren't a flood of refugees now then there never will be. Also, China is serious with their borders and wouldn't hesitate to use any means necessary to stop a flow of unwanted refugees in to Chinese territory.

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The North Korean government actively prevents people from leaving the country, if the North Korean regime suddenly fell, there would not be an internal factor preventing the population from fleeing the country to China. They are more likely to flee to China, because North Korean population has the painted the South Koreans as wanting to murder them and the border between NK and China is more open then the one with SK.