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“Hung from a tall tree”: Second Republican calls for lynching critics of white suprem

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Critics demand Missouri lawmaker resign after saying vandals should be 'hung from a tall tree with a long rope' | Political Fix | stltoday.com

Missouri lawmaker posts hope that monument vandal be 'hung' | Nation | stltoday.com

A Missouri state representative drew scorn Wednesday, with the head of the state Democratic Party calling on him to resign, after he seemed to call for a lynching on social media.

"This is totally against the law," Republican Rep. Warren Love wrote in the post. "I hope they are found & hung from a tall tree with a long rope."

So over the past few weeks there have been many arguments about how antifa are just as bad as white supremacists. Many of the equivocations point to the fact that both are just fringe extremist groups.

Aside from the fact that we have seen many Charlottesville marchers associating with Republican senators, we now get actual sitting representatives ultimately calling for the lynching of those who would deface statues. Maybe you disagree, but to me, calling for lynchings in Missouri carries certain race connotations with it. As the article states, it's a terrorist act specifically associated with white supremacists and the KKK.

Of course, he 'denies' that's what he meant.

Love represents the 125th District in rural western Missouri and was first elected in 2012. When reached by the Post-Dispatch, he confirmed the Facebook post, and said he was not calling for a lynching.

“Oh no,” he said. “Hell no!”

“That was an exaggerated statement that, you know, a lot of times is used in the western world when somebody does a crime or commits theft. … That’s just a western term and I’m very much a western man. … You know, I wear a coat. You know, I dress western. And, you know, I’m the cowboy of the Capitol.

But the issue still remains - this kind of sentiment, the sentiment that I would expect from white supremacists, is something that pervades American society at every level to a far greater degree than the rhetoric of antifa. This is exactly why the threat posed to Americans by white supremacist far outweigh the threat posed by Antifa or BLM. There exist people in power structures who hold biases that align with those of white supremacy.

To add, I don't think there is an excuse for violence but this is also a key reason why those who try to fight oppression often turn to violence. It's much harder for a group like BLM to make change within the confines of the law when there are people like this who help control the law.

Of course, this is simply the actions of one man, but it's one man who holds a fair amount of power, and it's indicative of a far more deep rooted problem.
 
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Missouri is having some problems, eh? Didn't they also have a politician who claimed that Trump should be assassinated?
 
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But the issue still remains - this kind of sentiment, the sentiment that I would expect from white supremacists,

What "sentiment," specifically, do you have in mind here? Specifically?

Of course, this is simply the actions of one man, but it's one man who holds a fair amount of power, and it's indicative of a far more deep rooted problem.

I don't think it quite rises to the level of the Missouri state senator who recently tweeted that she hopes Trump is assassinated. This guy was using a turn of phrase. She was quite literal.
 
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Instead of talking ... lets see what he really does, or is it just typical Racist Coward Talk.
 
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Critics demand Missouri lawmaker resign after saying vandals should be 'hung from a tall tree with a long rope' | Political Fix | stltoday.com

Missouri lawmaker posts hope that monument vandal be 'hung' | Nation | stltoday.com



So over the past few weeks there have been many arguments about how antifa are just as bad as white supremacists. Many of the equivocations point to the fact that both are just fringe extremist groups.

Aside from the fact that we have seen many Charlottesville marchers associating with Republican senators, we now get actual sitting representatives ultimately calling for the lynching of those who would deface statues. Maybe you disagree, but to me, calling for lynchings in Missouri carries certain race connotations with it. As the article states, it's a terrorist act specifically associated with white supremacists and the KKK.

Of course, he 'denies' that's what he meant.



But the issue still remains - this kind of sentiment, the sentiment that I would expect from white supremacists, is something that pervades American society at every level to a far greater degree than the rhetoric of antifa. This is exactly why the threat posed to Americans by white supremacist far outweigh the threat posed by Antifa or BLM. There exist people in power structures who hold biases that align with those of white supremacy.

To add, I don't think there is an excuse for violence but this is also a key reason why those who try to fight oppression often turn to violence. It's much harder for a group like BLM to make change within the confines of the law when there are people like this who help control the law.

Of course, this is simply the actions of one man, but it's one man who holds a fair amount of power, and it's indicative of a far more deep rooted problem.

I don't know. It's a slippery slope to call for expression of opinion of any kind to be forbidden. By that token BLM could be forbidden for its obvious racism and implication that others might not matter as much or even at all.
As to violence, it is no easier. At which point should a person decide that she may use violence or lethal force to prevent a continuation of existing conditions? The danger is visible in Syria. You risk it all.
 
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Missouri is having some problems, eh? Didn't they also have a politician who claimed that Trump should be assassinated?

Holy moly I did not see that assassination thing. How dumb do you have to be to put that on facebook.

What "sentiment," specifically, do you have in mind here? Specifically?

That calling for lynchings of people is in any way acceptable. There are certain historical connotations to that act, y'know. It was performed on tens of thousands of American citizens, and the people who did it are glorified by many American citizens today. Our leaders simply shouldn't be suggesting things like that.

I don't think it quite rises to the level of the Missouri state senator who recently tweeted that she hopes Trump is assassinated. This guy was using a turn of phrase. She was quite literal.

See above, but also, calling to hang someone from a tree with a rope is a turn of phrase? Really? The fact that lynching is simply a turn of phrase for a US lawmaker (or anyone really) is despicable in and of itself. It'd be like a german lawkmaker talking about sending vandals to the gas chambers.
 
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I don't know. It's a slippery slope to call for expression of opinion of any kind to be forbidden. By that token BLM could be forbidden for its obvious racism and implication that others might not matter as much or even at all.
As to violence, it is no easier. At which point should a person decide that she may use violence or lethal force to prevent a continuation of existing conditions? The danger is visible in Syria. You risk it all.

I'm not saying the expression should be forbidden. I'm saying that the fact that those in power, US lawmakers, are just throwing the expression around is indicative of certain attitudes in our society that need to be explicitly called out and derided.
 
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Holy moly I did not see that assassination thing. How dumb do you have to be to put that on facebook.

Missouri is the Show Me State, I think they ought to be shown tact and decorum.
 
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Personally I say, they should hand this guy a Rope, point out a Tree to him and tell his Badass to show us how Big his Balls are.

That should separate the Talkers for the Doer's.
 
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Holy moly I did not see that assassination thing. How dumb do you have to be to put that on facebook.



That calling for lynchings of people is in any way acceptable. There are certain historical connotations to that act, y'know. It was performed on tens of thousands of American citizens, and the people who did it are glorified by many American citizens today. Our leaders simply shouldn't be suggesting things like that.



See above, but also, calling to hang someone from a tree with a rope is a turn of phrase? Really? The fact that lynching is simply a turn of phrase for a US lawmaker (or anyone really) is despicable in and of itself. It'd be like a german lawkmaker talking about sending vandals to the gas chambers.

He wasn't literally calling for the lynching of anyone, any more than Leonard Freeman, Ted Post, and Clint Eastwood were:

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I'm not saying the expression should be forbidden. I'm saying that the fact that those in power, US lawmakers, are just throwing the expression around is indicative of certain attitudes in our society that need to be explicitly called out an derided.

No question that one may and should call out politicians of any persuasion that one dislikes. This would be true for the ones you mention as much as gor Obama siding with Blacks against police forces contrary to the statistics.

But it was the bit on violence that I found most interesting in the post.
 
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Personally I say, they should hand this guy a Rope, point out a Tree to him and tell his Badass to show us how Big his Balls are.

That should separate the Talkers for the Doer's.

Gosh...... Do you really want to see violence?
 
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He wasn't literally calling for the lynching of anyone, any more than Leonard Freeman, Ted Post, and Clint Eastwood were:

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Are you seriously comparing words spoken by an actor in a movie to words spoken by a US lawmaker in public?
 
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Gosh...... Do you really want to see violence?

Violence? Are you kidding ... this guy a *****, and would Piss in in Panties if anyone asked him to backup his Bull ****.

Violence ... ? Yea Right ... this Racist ouldn't bust a Grape let alone do any Violence.
 
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No question that one may and should call out politicians of any persuasion that one dislikes. This would be true for the ones you mention as much as gor Obama siding with Blacks against police forces contrary to the statistics.

But it was the bit on violence that I found most interesting in the post.

If you have a society where the people in charge are oppressors of minorities, it's much more likely the minorities turn to violence, simply because they can't enact change through traditional power channels.

I don't mean to say that any specific act of violence isn't, ultimately, the responsibility of the person who carries it out. Just pointing out a typical sociological interaction that can be observed in pretty much any human culture. If the downtrodden want change, they often have to resort to violent uprising.
 
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Bad choice of words to use but to call for him to resign over this is wrong.
He has offered an apology.



JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — A Missouri lawmaker said in a Wednesday Facebook post that he hoped whoever placed paint on a Confederate monument in Springfield is found and hanged, prompting Democratic leaders to ask him to step down over what they're describing as a call for a lynching.

Missouri lawmaker posts hope that monument vandal be 'hung' | Nation | stltoday.com

"This is totally against the law," Republican Rep. Warren Love wrote in the post. "I hope they are found & hung from a tall tree with a long rope."



Love, in a response he provided to AP and said he posted on Facebook, later said people had interpreted his post "to be rather harsh and inciting violence." Love is from Osceola, a western Missouri city where fewer than 1,000 people live.

"I did not mean it that way and was only using and old Cowboy Statement that is a western custom of a penalty for Thieves that steal Cattle & Horses," the statement said. "To all who this post offended I am very sorry."

Love, who ranches, told AP the term was a "cowboy slang statement," not a call for lynching.
 
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Are you seriously comparing words spoken by an actor in a movie to words spoken by a US lawmaker in public?

No, I'm comparing the words the guy used to a common theme in Westerns, as opposed to the automatic association with lynching that you brought to it.
 
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Perhaps Rep. Love is a bit nostalgic for Quantrill's Raiders. Those Missouri partisans lynched plenty during the Civil War.
 
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Violence? Are you kidding ... this guy a *****, and would Piss in in Panties if anyone asked him to backup his Bull ****.

Violence ... ? Yea Right ... this Racist ouldn't bust a Grape let alone do any Violence.

What point are you trying to make?
 
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What point are you trying to make?

The vast majority of these racist cowards are just full of **** ... PERIOD!

... and I Love Pointing out and I'd prefer to point it out to their face
 
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No, I'm comparing the words the guy [a US lawmaker] used to a common theme in Westerns [a type of movie], as opposed to the automatic association with lynching that you brought to it.

So yes???

Also how does 'hang from tree with rope' not elicit associations to lynching??
 
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So yes???

Also how does 'hang from tree with rope' not elicit associations to lynching??

Have you ever watched any Westerns?
 
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Have you ever watched any Westerns?

Some.

Typically, words used in real life, particularly in a public forum by a US lawmaker, are indicative of ones character. Lines read by an actor are not. Not sure why this is controversial.
 
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If you have a society where the people in charge are oppressors of minorities, it's much more likely the minorities turn to violence, simply because they can't enact change through traditional power channels.

I don't mean to say that any specific act of violence isn't, ultimately, the responsibility of the person who carries it out. Just pointing out a typical sociological interaction that can be observed in pretty much any human culture. If the downtrodden want change, they often have to resort to violent uprising.

In general terms and over longer period that has sone truth to it I suspect.
 
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Some.

Typically, words used in real life, particularly in a public forum by a US lawmaker, are indicative of ones character. Lines read by an actor are not. Not sure why this is controversial.

I'm not sure why you don't quite get the old trope in Westerns of forming a posse, finding the bad guys, bringing them to face justice, and then hanging them.
 
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