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Some Liberty University Grads Are Returning Their Diplomas To Protest Trump

Media_Truth said:
Trump told the TRUTH? In your mind does Trump ever lie? There was a poll on this forum, about Trump lies. If I remember over 90% said that Trump lies regularly. So you are a true minority.
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WaPo's lie count is up to 1057 and he's just 8 minutes into his Re-Election event in Phoenix.
 
TurtleDude said:
Huh-you lost me there. I assumed you meant that men who graduated from Christian based schools were often massively respected thinkers. but Liberty university isn't exactly Georgetown, Notre Dame, or the British schools that were once run by the church of England, nor Brandeis or SMU
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I saw no point in continuing with that poster. The point was not that Liberty University necessarily graduates anybody who achieves highly in scientific pursuits. It's that having a sound religious education doesn't prevent one from doing that. Claiming that because Liberty University places a high priority on religious education, it can't produce sound and highly achieving individuals in scientific pursuit is illogical. The presence of the religious pursuit doesn't preclude the scientific one.
 
humbolt said:
I saw no point in continuing with that poster. The point was not that Liberty University necessarily graduates anybody who achieves highly in scientific pursuits. It's that having a sound religious education doesn't prevent one from doing that. Claiming that because Liberty University places a high priority on religious education, it can't produce sound and highly achieving individuals in scientific pursuit is illogical. The presence of the religious pursuit doesn't preclude the scientific one.
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agreed but it appears that you claimed high achieving intellectual paragons went to LIBERTY.
 
TurtleDude said:
agreed but it appears that you claimed high achieving intellectual paragons went to LIBERTY.
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No, nothing of the sort. I offered examples of those who pursued both religious education and achieved high scientific success. I agree that Liberty is hardly Oxford, but there's nothing that would necessarily prevent them from reaching those goals. Every single individual I mentioned was both a devout Christian and a successful scientist, and we'd have to speak to each of them regarding which element they placed first in their priorities. It wouldn't necessarily be surprising at all if they placed their religious beliefs before their scientific achievements.
 
humbolt said:
No, nothing of the sort. I offered examples of those who pursued both religious education and achieved high scientific success. I agree that Liberty is hardly Oxford, but there's nothing that would necessarily prevent them from reaching those goals. Every single individual I mentioned was both a devout Christian and a successful scientist, and we'd have to speak to each of them regarding which element they placed first in their priorities. It wouldn't necessarily be surprising at all if they placed their religious beliefs before their scientific achievements.
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A so-called "college" that weaves "young earth creationism" into nearly all of his curriculum is not preparing it's students to succeed in their pursued fields when they finally get out into the working world. No, it is not a respected institution. It is considered a place for people who are brainwashed and not too bright (or else totally under the thumb of their parents). There are Christians who inspire people around them because they live their values, and then there are Christians who annoy the crap out of other people because they act as if their God-given gift of a brain is a vestigial organ that is only meant to dwell on orthodox talking points. In a world where there are graduates of plenty of other universities to choose from, I would put Liberty University graduates way at the bottom, along with people who graduate from no-name online schools.
 
HenryChinaski said:
A so-called "college" that weaves "young earth creationism" into nearly all of his curriculum is not preparing it's students to succeed in their pursued fields when they finally get out into the working world. No, it is not a respected institution. It is considered a place for people who are brainwashed and not too bright (or else totally under the thumb of their parents). There are Christians who inspire people around them because they live their values, and then there are Christians who annoy the crap out of other people because they act as if their God-given gift of a brain is a vestigial organ that is only meant to dwell on orthodox talking points. In a world where there are graduates of plenty of other universities to choose from, I would put Liberty University graduates way at the bottom, along with people who graduate from no-name online schools.
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Not going to argue your view on Liberty or Regents. But what do you think of Christian based universities that are well respected.

Georgetown
Xavier University of Ohio
SMU
Notre Dame
Emmanuel College
etc
 
HenryChinaski said:
A so-called "college" that weaves "young earth creationism" into nearly all of his curriculum is not preparing it's students to succeed in their pursued fields when they finally get out into the working world. No, it is not a respected institution. It is considered a place for people who are brainwashed and not too bright (or else totally under the thumb of their parents). There are Christians who inspire people around them because they live their values, and then there are Christians who annoy the crap out of other people because they act as if their God-given gift of a brain is a vestigial organ that is only meant to dwell on orthodox talking points. In a world where there are graduates of plenty of other universities to choose from, I would put Liberty University graduates way at the bottom, along with people who graduate from no-name online schools.
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I'm relatively certain some of their graduates do just fine in their chosen fields. No, it's not a highly respected school, but I have attended highly respected schools and I can tell you of graduates from such schools that are now homeless, institutionalized, or in prison. One in particular is an impeached federal judge spending time behind bars, so it's not necessarily where you go to school, but what you do with where you go that determines how you do in life. I've never found religious belief to be an impediment, and I've offered examples that it indeed isn't.
 
TurtleDude said:
Not going to argue your view on Liberty or Regents. But what do you think of Christian based universities that are well respected.

Georgetown
Xavier University of Ohio
SMU
Notre Dame
Emmanuel College
etc
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Hell even Depaul University. I'm not sure of the others but what I know of Notre Dame and DePaul, The students aren't indoctrinated and forced to wear their faith on their sleeves. It's in the background and alongside of the students. And it's a safe bet that any theology type curriculum is kept separate from the secular. Liberty turns out scores of Kent Hovinds and Ken hams. Not great critical thinkers.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Hell even Depaul University. I'm not sure of the others but what I know of Notre Dame and DePaul, The students aren't indoctrinated and forced to wear their faith on their sleeves. It's in the background and alongside of the students. And it's a safe bet that any theology type curriculum is kept separate from the secular. Liberty turns out scores of Kent Hovinds and Ken hams. Not great critical thinkers.
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I know lots of kids who go to Xavier and many of them aren't Christians, let alone Catholics. My late father, a luke warm Episcopalian was on one of their boards (Engineering department) because he knew the value of a local school turning out well skilled engineers since those were the people he hired. I even knew a Jewish girl who went there-when someone asked her why, she- a world class rifle shot-said because they gave her a full scholarship (Xavier, before an anti gun AD cut the varsity program, had one of the best teams in the USA and had two of their shooters on the 04 Olympic team). She stated she never felt that anyone looked down on her for being Jewish in a Jesuit school.
 
Fenton said:
Then you didnt look very hard, both sides came armed and looking for a fight.
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Then you won't have any trouble finding some backup for your assertion.
 
TurtleDude said:
where do you get off trying to sanitize leftwing radicals by pretending they are 'non-haters'/ I bet the vast majority of those protesting the racist Klantards and Nazis hate far more than the white racists. I bet most of them hate Trump, the NRA, Pro life groups and often corporate America. I bet many of them hate organized Christianity, and see white Christian conservative middle class males as the "enemy"
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Where I get off is the last demonstration in Vancouver when anti-immigration protesters were defeated by 4,000 peaceful demonstrators giving away hugs. If that isn't happening where you are, tell Trump. I have no investment in this horse**** beyond entertainment. I like the fact we made assholes out of extremists. Maybe you guys should try instead of warring with rhetoric 24 hours a day. spewing insults at one another.

(((((((((((((TurtleDude))))))))))))))

-that's an on line hug. have a nice day
 
Fletch said:
How many are in this group of alumni returning their diplomas? I didn't see a number in the article so it might just be the three people they quoted. Either way its more grandstanding and virtue signaling than anything else.
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I think they mentioned 4 people in the article and used the word "several". I saw one of them graduated in 2002. Their enrollment was 80,000 last year, many online. 2700 graduates, plus 18,000 online. Rough guess, 2500 p/yr for 15 years, puts it around 37,500 graduates not even counting online students. 4 say they are returning their diplomas.

This is enough for a story on NPR. I think the fact that they decided to go with a story on this says way more than the story itself. Something is seriously wrong with a media outlet that puts a story like this out.

It's not news, it's a "look how horrible Trump is and you should hate him" story. Yet, they object to being called "fake news". They really take people for fools.
 
ocean515 said:
I'd bet there were many residents in Berlin in the '20's who were saying the same thing about a group growing in influence among them.
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Yeah I'm sure those Nazi's were pro gay rights and anti racist. Oh wait. Do you realize what you're saying?
 
Fearandloathing said:
You wish revenge on people you don't know, have never met, and of whom you have no more knowledge than what you read here.

That's classic Trump. Knee-jerk react with insults and revenge.

I admire anyone who places their integrity on the line for a cause. I have little faith [deliberate pun] in the Mdiv schools churning out pastors, but at least these people are making a statement about what they believe to be wrong in a way that hurts no one..

and you want them hurt.

Typical and why this administration has to go
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No, its just after going to college myself. I tend to look unfavorably at people who are willing to spit in the face of an institution that is willing to actually give them a chance of higher learning. Only for them to do such a poor excuse to virtue signal themselves to the world at large.

Though my thoughts are not proof of this administration, but this does prove that you are incredibly desperate to link any little outside issue in favor of saying its Trumps fault. Though with how much the kids are repeating this same crap these days, its obvious its the only message they can even make an attempt at.

Too bad the message is as hollow as their heads.
 
Anthony60 said:
I think they mentioned 4 people in the article and used the word "several". I saw one of them graduated in 2002. Their enrollment was 80,000 last year, many online. 2700 graduates, plus 18,000 online. Rough guess, 2500 p/yr for 15 years, puts it around 37,500 graduates not even counting online students. 4 say they are returning their diplomas.

This is enough for a story on NPR. I think the fact that they decided to go with a story on this says way more than the story itself. Something is seriously wrong with a media outlet that puts a story like this out.

It's not news, it's a "look how horrible Trump is and you should hate him" story. Yet, they object to being called "fake news". They really take people for fools.
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They say that for every person that speaks up, there are hundreds of like-minded people who remain on the sidelines. There will probably be a lot of follow-ups. Trump's encouragement of the Neo-Nazi groups was not a favorable action. Hitler started with 45 Nazis. Mussolini - 100. These groups must be contained and controlled, not encouraged by the POTUS and heads of our Universities.
 
Top Cat said:
Yeah I'm sure those Nazi's were pro gay rights and anti racist. Oh wait. Do you realize what you're saying?
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Probably not. But that would be why the people of Berlin in the 20's would likely be saying: I very much support some of their causes...

Could it be you don't realize what you're saying?
 
Media_Truth said:
Liberty University is in Virginia, and I think this is a sensitive topic for Virginians. They have the 4th highest number of hate groups in the US, behind heavily-populated Texas, CA, and Florida. Consequently, I think they have more exposure.
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I'm a Virginian, and I think they are stupid.

Also, the number of hate groups has little to do with population. The national call to white supremacists to march in Virginia pulled fewer marchers than it did news crews. So a fraction of that number were actual members of VA hate groups... that is really all you need to know about how prevalent hate groups are here.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Show me the proof.

Show me ONE picture of a non-hater carrying military grade weapons.

You people are ****ing amazing....do you even klnow when you're making **** up?

Don't bother responding unless you have photographic proof.

****ing lies, lies, lies..
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You demand for proof of "military grade weapons" carried by Antifa thugs when no weapons were ever fired at the Charlottesville riot? Why would that be your measuring stick? Why do you suppose none of the armed marchers ever fired a shot?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Where I get off is the last demonstration in Vancouver when anti-immigration protesters were defeated by 4,000 peaceful demonstrators giving away hugs. If that isn't happening where you are, tell Trump. I have no investment in this horse**** beyond entertainment. I like the fact we made assholes out of extremists. Maybe you guys should try instead of warring with rhetoric 24 hours a day. spewing insults at one another.

(((((((((((((TurtleDude))))))))))))))

-that's an on line hug. have a nice day
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This isn't about anything in Vancouver, it is about your idiotic attempt to label Antifa thugs as "non-haters"
 
Fearandloathing said:
Where I get off is the last demonstration in Vancouver when anti-immigration protesters were defeated by 4,000 peaceful demonstrators giving away hugs. If that isn't happening where you are, tell Trump. I have no investment in this horse**** beyond entertainment. I like the fact we made assholes out of extremists. Maybe you guys should try instead of warring with rhetoric 24 hours a day. spewing insults at one another.

(((((((((((((TurtleDude))))))))))))))

-that's an on line hug. have a nice day
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I don't know, dude - you're one of the more consistently angry posters around here. This thread is a good example.
 
TurtleDude said:
where do you get off trying to sanitize leftwing radicals by pretending they are 'non-haters'/ I bet the vast majority of those protesting the racist Klantards and Nazis hate far more than the white racists. I bet most of them hate Trump, the NRA, Pro life groups and often corporate America. I bet many of them hate organized Christianity, and see white Christian conservative middle class males as the "enemy"
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Yeah, they wear masks because otherwise their love would blind innocent bystanders.
 
Media_Truth said:
They say that for every person that speaks up, there are hundreds of like-minded people who remain on the sidelines. There will probably be a lot of follow-ups. Trump's encouragement of the Neo-Nazi groups was not a favorable action. Hitler started with 45 Nazis. Mussolini - 100. These groups must be contained and controlled, not encouraged by the POTUS and heads of our Universities.
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I heard Trump condemn the Nazis, as well as fascists. I guess I missed the quote were he encouraged the Nazis. Can't even find the quote. I get the feeling there is not a lot of truth behind that.
 
jmotivator said:
I'm a Virginian, and I think they are stupid.

Also, the number of hate groups has little to do with population. The national call to white supremacists to march in Virginia pulled fewer marchers than it did news crews. So a fraction of that number were actual members of VA hate groups... that is really all you need to know about how prevalent hate groups are here.
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It's kind of ironic that these people that answered the call are mentally defective and would likely be "put to sleep" by Hitler's crew for being defective.
 
ocean515 said:
Probably not. But that would be why the people of Berlin in the 20's would likely be saying: I very much support some of their causes...

Could it be you don't realize what you're saying?
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Yes of course. I have no idea what I believe. :roll:
 
Anthony60 said:
I heard Trump condemn the Nazis, as well as fascists. I guess I missed the quote were he encouraged the Nazis. Can't even find the quote. I get the feeling there is not a lot of truth behind that.
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Perhaps you should read what David Dukes of the KKK had to say about Trump's "many sides" comment. A NeoNazi blatantly murders people, and Trump starts blaming others. Sounds like 1930s Third Reich propaganda. Yes, David Dukes was encouraged.
 
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