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Why Were the Police Held Back in Charlottesville?

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Were Police Held Back In Charlottesville? | The Daily Caller

When police were ordered to disperse the alt-right rally, that act directed the white nationalists into the antifa demonstrators, leading to further street brawls. Police didn’t seem to try to get in between the two groups or suppress the fights.

As ProPublica reported, state police and National Guardsmen mostly stood aside and watched as the violence grew worse.

This appears to be a direct result of what appears to be a stand down order from higher-ups.

When the alt-right rally was mostly dispersed, police still seemed a missing presence in the city as the leftists kept demonstrating, some armed with aluminum bats and other weapons. This is the scene where the white nationalist drove his car through pedestrians, with police seemingly far away from the action.

That absence allowed for a female reporter who was an eyewitness to the intentional crash to be allegedly punched in the face by antifa. The reason: because she was press.

Curiously, this attack on a journalist hasn’t netted much attention.

The chaos seems like it could have been contained and fewer people hurt if police were a more active presence in Charlottesville.
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So the stood down, certainly on some orders from above.

“There was no police presence,” Brittany Caine-Conley, a minister-in-training who protested the alt-right rally, told The New York Times. “We were watching people punch each other; people were bleeding all the while police were inside of barricades at the park, watching. It was essentially just brawling on the street and community members trying to protect each other.”

McAuliffe was asked about the criticism of law enforcement’s inaction Sunday, to which he offered an odd response — he blamed the presence of armed militia for why police didn’t do more. “They had better equipment than our State Police had,” the governor said of why police stayed put and watched the violence unfold.

But, according to ProPublica, the militia members seemed to be the only ones breaking up fights and trying to keep the peace in the tumult.

It would have probably been more effective in suppressing the violence if the men and women paid to keep the peace for a living were out in the mix.

These street battles have become more common in our country following Trump’s inauguration, and they have gotten out of hand when police are ordered to stand down. Prior to Charlottesville, Berkeley was the locale synonymous with political violence.

In the two events most associated with the California college town, police were nowhere to be found. During the riot that shut down Milo Yiannopoulos’ planned speech at UC-Berkeley, antifa were able to attack anyone they thought may be an attendee and wreak havoc on town stores. All thanks to a muted police presence.

At the “Battle of Berkeley” in April, Trump supporters and antifa were able to brawl for a whole Saturday with nary a cop in sight.
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A grand jury should be convened and the individual police officers need to inform the jury as to why they did not participate in law enforcement actions.
 
The city government needed the chaos to promote it's agenda.
 
I don't know about that, but I do know they were ordered back in Berkeley and there is concern the same thing happened here.

The police are supposed to protect the public and not take sides, and if they due the responsible authority should be sued for damages.
 
chuckiechan said:
Were Police Held Back In Charlottesville? | The Daily Caller



So the stood down, certainly on some orders from above.



A grand jury should be convened and the individual police officers need to inform the jury as to why they did not participate in law enforcement actions.
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Charlottesville authorities has a lot to answer for why they've let this kind of violence to go on. They already had a taste of it the night before....







..........and yet, they let the two groups converge at the same location the next day.

What were they thinking?



And the mayor blames Trump! Is he daft? :lol:






This mayor can't even give the excuse that they were caught by surprise! They saw what happened the night before!

He also blamed the prortesters for the "needless death" from the helicopter crash! Excuse me?
Unless the protesters shot it down from the sky, the protesters has nothing to do with that crash!

The buck stops right on this mayor's doorstep. Never mind the past Trump campaign!
We're talking current events! And you have the gall to spout off on national tv? :mrgreen:

It's your stupidity, Mayor of Charlottesville, that should be on the limelight.
 
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apdst said:
The city government needed the chaos to promote it's agenda.
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Or maybe they were afraid of public backlash if they displayed a show of force to control the crowd.

Time for yet another investigation.

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trouble13 said:
Darwinism and natural selection
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A lot of girly girls fighting on their side.
Remind me of a fight scene from the movie Con Air. The gay just kept hitting like a girl - and the good guy gave him one sound slap!

.... they're toast. :lol:
 


Plus, when you got guys like this who are (according to google search) part of the protesting group....

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What facilitates a violent response faster? And How fast does it escalate? Based on sheer numbers?
Tiny Charlottesville police department?

Probably would have needed the Virginia National Guard there if shots started to ring out.

Hindsight....it's what?
 
chuckiechan said:
Were Police Held Back In Charlottesville? | The Daily Caller



So the stood down, certainly on some orders from above.



A grand jury should be convened and the individual police officers need to inform the jury as to why they did not participate in law enforcement actions.
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Fact or fiction, which do you want?

Fact: The alt right was more heavily armed than the police. McAulliffe would have needed to call in the National Guard to disperse the Nazis with force.

Fiction:This


apdst said:
The city government needed the chaos to promote it's agenda.
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If the police had got involved, everyone would be blaming them for causing the violence and calling them heavily handed and authoritarian, not to mention the physical assaults they would have received from the both sets of “protesters”. The police standing aside doesn’t cause violence. Violent people (on both sides) cause violence and there should be no distraction from them.
 
chuckiechan said:
Were Police Held Back In Charlottesville? | The Daily Caller



So the stood down, certainly on some orders from above.



A grand jury should be convened and the individual police officers need to inform the jury as to why they did not participate in law enforcement actions.
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They had better equipment than our state police had??? so this is what we pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes for?? So the police can just watch people kill each other?

How patently absurd. The governor ought to step down. So should the mayor if he was in any way responsible for a stand-down order.

How did these heavily armed people, the ones with clubs and armor and masks, etc., even GET to the demonstration area? Does it not make sense to cordon off a troubled area and stop the influx of people? Keep cars away? Does the right to assemble include the right to come armed and ready for battle? It should not.

Our cities simply HAVE to have plans in place to handle these debacles. Not to do so is an utter and complete failure of government.

Rant over.
 
 
calamity said:
Fact or fiction, which do you want?

Fact: The alt right was more heavily armed than the police. McAulliffe would have needed to call in the National Guard to disperse the Nazis with force.

Fiction:This
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Do you think it would of been out of line for the police to keep the counter protesters back?

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trouble13 said:
Do you think it would of been out of line for the police to keep the counter protesters back?

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I would prefer it. I pointed out in some other thread somewhere that in Germany they set up barricades to separate the Nazi-types from the counter-protesters, forcing one to march in single file down a narrow corridor while the other group can only shout stuff. It keeps the violence at bay. There is a clip on it somewhere. I forget where we found it.
 
MaggieD said:
They had better equipment than our state police had??? so this is what we pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes for?? So the police can just watch people kill each other?

How patently absurd. The governor ought to step down. So should the mayor if he was in any way responsible for a stand-down order.

How did these heavily armed people, the ones with clubs and armor and masks, etc., even GET to the demonstration area? Does it not make sense to cordon off a troubled area and stop the influx of people? Keep cars away? Does the right to assemble include the right to come armed and ready for battle? It should not.

Our cities simply HAVE to have plans in place to handle these debacles. Not to do so is an utter and complete failure of government.

Rant over.
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Hindsight. You have that benefit.

August 11th nobody had it.

One sure fire way to NOT have this happen again is to NOT let Nazi/White Supremacy groups hold a protest/rally/march in your town.
 
apdst said:
The city government needed the chaos to promote it's agenda.
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I think you are correct. I listened to the police chief's comments. He made no sense.

Claims he had an agreement with the Group to use only the rear entrance, so apparently left the other entrances open and unguarded.

Fails to me mention that the car attack occurred on the street. I saw no police anywhere near the attack.

No arrests were made, in spite of several obvious laws broken.

Required the LEO to show up in street uniforms rather than riot gear. But quickly changed to riot gear after the riot started.

Made no mention that there were two, not one, group at this "protest" 100% the fault of group 1.

Apparently allowed both groups to carry weapons into the venue. Can somebody tell me why.

Either the stupidest law enforcement ever, or a deliberate failure. At this point take your pick, but I'd bet on the eventual outcome of the investigation.
 
calamity said:
I would prefer it. I pointed out in some other thread somewhere that in Germany they set up barricades to separate the Nazi-types from the counter-protesters, forcing one to march in single file down a narrow corridor while the other group can only shout stuff. It keeps the violence at bay. There is a clip on it somewhere. I forget where we found it.
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Yeah something like that would make sense to me. People have a right to assemble and protest and counter protesters have a right to be heard as well. The police IMO should of served as a buffer between the two groups.

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HonestJoe said:
If the police had got involved, everyone would be blaming them for causing the violence and calling them heavily handed and authoritarian, not to mention the physical assaults they would have received from the both sets of “protesters”. The police standing aside doesn’t cause violence. Violent people (on both sides) cause violence and there should be no distraction from them.
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If the POLITICIANS don't let the police get involved, we're destined to have another chaotic bloodbath on our hands. Bad groups want to legally protest and bad counter-protestors want to prevent that protest.

Dumb mayor. Dumb governor. Impeach them both. I've read in another thread on DP the governor of Kentucky has shown his stupidity (and cowardice).
 
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HonestJoe said:
If the police had got involved, everyone would be blaming them for causing the violence and calling them heavily handed and authoritarian, not to mention the physical assaults they would have received from the both sets of “protesters”. The police standing aside doesn’t cause violence. Violent people (on both sides) cause violence and there should be no distraction from them.
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I suspect the real motive is that since Trump/Russia has played out and left the left empty handed, they set this up so as to shift Trump from "Russia spy" to white supremist nazi commie by ignoring the violence on the left, and concentrating on that on the right with the cooperation of a compliant media.

The po-po really have the answers to the questions we'd all like asked under oath: "Were you told to stand down, or otherwise guide the opposing camps into confrontation?"
 
cabse5 said:
If the POLITICIANS don't let the police get involved, we're destined to have another chaotic bloodbath on our hands. Bad groups want to legally protest and bad counter-protestors want to prevent that protest.
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I’ve seen zero evidence of politicians explicitly preventing police from taking action but I’m not making any assertions on that line either way. My only point is that had the police done what you’re claiming to want them to have done, there would still have been violence, just with police caught up in it too, and you’d still be here blaming the police and politicians for the outcome. If the authorities had been able to take the level of action necessary to prevent any violence, you be here blaming them for being authoritarian and denying the right to freely protest instead (plus elements of one or both groups would have probably attacked the police instead).
 
chuckiechan said:
I don't know about that, but I do know they were ordered back in Berkeley and there is concern the same thing happened here.

The police are supposed to protect the public and not take sides, and if they due the responsible authority should be sued for damages.
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They were held back in Berkeley, Fergusion, and the prosecutor in Baltimore publicly announced there would be no police interference for a couple days to let the rioters work off steam. This appears to be the new norm.
 
Dragonfly said:
Hindsight. You have that benefit.

August 11th nobody had it.

One sure fire way to NOT have this happen again is to NOT let Nazi/White Supremacy groups hold a protest/rally/march in your town.
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We've had plenty of hindsight to learn from before this happened. Stand down orders have been given before in recent history as Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

We have a right to assemble. Denying these idiots that right would not pass Constitutional muster. And we know the ACLU would get it there.
 
HonestJoe said:
I’ve seen zero evidence of politicians explicitly preventing police from taking action but I’m not making any assertions on that line either way. My only point is that had the police done what you’re claiming to want them to have done, there would still have been violence, just with police caught up in it too, and you’d still be here blaming the police and politicians for the outcome. If the authorities had been able to take the level of action necessary to prevent any violence, you be here blaming them for being authoritarian and denying the right to freely protest instead (plus elements of one or both groups would have probably attacked the police instead).
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There's city police. There's county police. There's state police. There's federal 'police'. Were all resources called for the situation? No. Why is that? Didn't the Charlottesville authorities know both protestors and counter-protestors were going to be in town on the same day? If one group was in town without a permit to protest in the area designated for them to protest, they would all be in violation of their protest permit and should be subject to jail.

Here are some links
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/08/14/so-did-police-just-stand-around-as-charlottesville-descended-into-chaos-n2368410

Protesters in Charlottesville blame police for violence - CNN

Isn't it strange to you both the protestors and counter-protestors agreed the police didn't do enough to prevent chaos in Charlottesville?


 
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