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Dem Senator Manchin Says He Won't Vote With Party

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Senator says he won’t vote with party, doesn’t ‘give a s—t’ if it costs him election
NY Post | By Bob Fredericks | August 7, 2017 | 1:20pm

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Senator Joe Manchin

Civil political discourse took a beating in West Virginia this weekend when a Democratic senator profanely proclaimed that he was going to vote the way he wanted and didn’t “give a s–t” if it cost him his seat.

“I don’t give a s–t, you understand? I just don’t give a s–t,” Sen. Joe Manchin told the Charleston Gazette-Mail on Sunday, saying he wasn’t going to toe his party’s line on every issue.

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Senator Manchin was referring to a push by his Democrat colleagues to have him sign a "letter" to define the Democrats 3 main "talking points" on tax reform. He refuses to sign it.

I applaud this act of open rebellion even if it is on a minor issue. The mid-term election is underway already. Manchin will be battling a Republican in what will be undoubtedly be a hard fought campaign in a state who's governor switch from Democrat to Republican just last week.

This is only a small crack in the Democrats front line but small cracks in enormous dams tend to grow and expand. I hope this crack splits wide open.
 
Manchin has always been Republican-lite ... he's from West Virginia, for chrissakes. He's rarely toed the party line.

Fantôme said:
This is only a small crack in the Democrats front line but small cracks in enormous dams tend to grow and expand. I hope this crack splits wide open.
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So you basically want one-party rule, then?
 
Fantôme said:
Senator says he won’t vote with party, doesn’t ‘give a s—t’ if it costs him election
NY Post | By Bob Fredericks | August 7, 2017 | 1:20pm

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Senator Joe Manchin



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Senator Manchin was referring to a push by his Democrat colleagues to have him sign a "letter" to define the Democrats 3 main "talking points" on tax reform. He refuses to sign it.

I applaud this act of open rebellion even if it is on a minor issue. The mid-term election is underway already. Manchin will be battling a Republican in what will be undoubtedly be a hard fought campaign in a state who's governor switch from Democrat to Republican just last week.

This is only a small crack in the Democrats front line but small cracks in enormous dams tend to grow and expand. I hope this crack splits wide open.
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Manchin is pro-fracking, anti-single payer, and pro tax cuts.. I applaud his honesty. I'm thinking he will be primaried and may the person with the best ideas win.

Also Tax reform is not a minor issue.
 
Kobie said:
Manchin has always been Republican-lite ... he's from West Virginia, for chrissakes. He's rarely toed the party line.



So you basically want one-party rule, then?
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We already have one party rule. The Republocrat party.

I want a third party. The American Party. If I were Ross Perot or Donald Trump I would have started the new party and we'd already have universal healthcare, secure borders and strong trade agreements that stop jobs from leaving this country.
 
Winston said:
Manchin is pro-fracking, anti-single payer, and pro tax cuts.. I applaud his honesty. I'm thinking he will be primaried and may the person with the best ideas win.

Also Tax reform is not a minor issue.
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I didn't say I applaud this bozo. I said I applaud his act of rebellion even if it's only a 'letter' to 'define' Democrat positions. It's nothing.
 
Fantôme said:
I didn't say I applaud this bozo. I said I applaud his act of rebellion even if it's only a 'letter' to 'define' Democrat positions. It's nothing.
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First of all, I said I applaud his honesty. I don't agree with him on much of anything. And if he were a Democratic candidate in my state, I would not vote for him, and I would not be sorry to see him lose.

But, you did use the word applaud in your OP, so good luck walking that back.
 
Winston said:
First of all, I said I applaud his honesty. I don't agree with him on much of anything. And if he were a Democratic candidate in my state, I would not vote for him, and I would not be sorry to see him lose.

But, you did use the word applaud in your OP, so good luck walking that back.
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Manchin votes for the constituents of his state, just as Murkowski and Collins do on the flip side .
 
Fantôme said:
We already have one party rule. The Republocrat party.

I want a third party. The American Party. If I were Ross Perot or Donald Trump I would have started the new party and we'd already have universal healthcare, secure borders and strong trade agreements that stop jobs from leaving this country.
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Since all Republocrats voted for Gorsuch ?
 
Winston said:
Manchin is pro-fracking, anti-single payer, and pro tax cuts.. I applaud his honesty. I'm thinking he will be primaried and may the person with the best ideas win.

Also Tax reform is not a minor issue.
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Manchin has two primary opponents that won't touch him. GOPs have 4 candidates right now, including a sitting Congressman and the Attorney General of WV .
 
Kobie said:
Manchin has always been Republican-lite ... he's from West Virginia, for chrissakes. He's rarely toed the party line.



So you basically want one-party rule, then?
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Agreed. I'm not a fan of Manchin, but this is West Virginia we're talking about. We need to pick our battles. I don't think anyone who succeeds in primarying him would stand a chance in the general election.
 
Winston said:
First of all, I said I applaud his honesty. I don't agree with him on much of anything. And if he were a Democratic candidate in my state, I would not vote for him, and I would not be sorry to see him lose.

But, you did use the word applaud in your OP, so good luck walking that back.
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Please stop putting words in my mouth. Both of my feet are already in there. But you are mischaracterizing what I said to make it sound like I said I applaud Manchin (you are the one who said YOU applaud him). I said precisely this "I applaud this act of open rebellion". I would applaud anyone who stands up to strong arm tactics which he apparently did.

Either way I think we both appreciate an act of rebellion against tyranny.
 
Kobie said:
Manchin has always been Republican-lite
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Watch yourself. Manchin votes against his party in an exceptionally similar rate to Susan Collins, and people were getting roasted for daring to suggest that Collins was almost more Democrat-lite than Republican.

That said, as I understood with Collins I also understand your point with Manchin....while yes, more often then not he votes with Democrats, he parts ways with them consistently enough (and on big enough issues) that he can't really be counted on and at times can feel like he's as much on the other side as he is on "your" side.

However, the reality with Manchin is likely must the same as it is with Collins; a member of that party in that state winning a congressional seat is likely going to need a moderate in order to garner the votes necessary most of the time.
 
Zyphlin said:
Watch yourself. Manchin votes against his party in an exceptionally similar rate to Susan Collins, and people were getting roasted for daring to suggest that Collins was almost more Democrat-lite than Republican.

That said, as I understood with Collins I also understand your point with Manchin....while yes, more often then not he votes with Democrats, he parts ways with them consistently enough (and on big enough issues) that he can't really be counted on and at times can feel like he's as much on the other side as he is on "your" side.

However, the reality with Manchin is likely must the same as it is with Collins; a member of that party in that state winning a congressional seat is likely going to need a moderate in order to garner the votes necessary most of the time.
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Collins, Murkowski versus Heitkamp, Manchin are what Americans have been crying out for: independence from party and vote for what your state constituents want.

Both parties have ridiculous litmus purity tests, though they're polar opposites. The DEM left is struggling with single payer and abortion while the GOP right is struggling with health care and tax cuts.

GOPs are better at election demonizing with Pelosi, Warren, Clinton, etc.; we'll see if DEMs can use trump, McConnell, Ryan next year ;
 
I have no problem with Manchin not signing the pledge. In fact, I wish more of our congressmen refused. With that said, why exactly is he a Democrat?
 
There just may be a Trump scheme at work to name Manchin to his Cabinet and thus allow the turncoat new Republican governor of WV a chance to appoint a republican in his place and increase their Senate advantage... and thereby give new life to a health care repeal vote.
 
Geoist said:
I have no problem with Manchin not signing the pledge. In fact, I wish more of our congressmen refused. With that said, why exactly is he a Democrat?
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Pledge signing is an indicator of weakness from political representatives. It says the person is a party bot and not a capable independent thinker.
 
Fantôme said:
Senator says he won’t vote with party, doesn’t ‘give a s—t’ if it costs him election
NY Post | By Bob Fredericks | August 7, 2017 | 1:20pm

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Senator Joe Manchin



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Senator Manchin was referring to a push by his Democrat colleagues to have him sign a "letter" to define the Democrats 3 main "talking points" on tax reform. He refuses to sign it.

I applaud this act of open rebellion even if it is on a minor issue. The mid-term election is underway already. Manchin will be battling a Republican in what will be undoubtedly be a hard fought campaign in a state who's governor switch from Democrat to Republican just last week.

This is only a small crack in the Democrats front line but small cracks in enormous dams tend to grow and expand. I hope this crack splits wide open.
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We'll see what he does on legislation when he's the only D.
 
Fantôme said:
Senator says he won’t vote with party, doesn’t ‘give a s—t’ if it costs him election
NY Post | By Bob Fredericks | August 7, 2017 | 1:20pm

View attachment 67220995
Senator Joe Manchin



Soource

Senator Manchin was referring to a push by his Democrat colleagues to have him sign a "letter" to define the Democrats 3 main "talking points" on tax reform. He refuses to sign it.

I applaud this act of open rebellion even if it is on a minor issue. The mid-term election is underway already. Manchin will be battling a Republican in what will be undoubtedly be a hard fought campaign in a state who's governor switch from Democrat to Republican just last week.

This is only a small crack in the Democrats front line but small cracks in enormous dams tend to grow and expand. I hope this crack splits wide open.
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He's a maverick in his own party. Good for him! If he's smart he'll become an independent like a growing number of Americans are.
 
NIMBY said:
Collins, Murkowski versus Heitkamp, Manchin are what Americans have been crying out for: independence from party and vote for what your state constituents want.

Both parties have ridiculous litmus purity tests, though they're polar opposites. The DEM left is struggling with single payer and abortion while the GOP right is struggling with health care and tax cuts.

GOPs are better at election demonizing with Pelosi, Warren, Clinton, etc.; we'll see if DEMs can use trump, McConnell, Ryan next year ;
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That's why both parties are full of it. I hate the notion of universal health care and I despise political correctness so that would make me conservative on those points, but I don't give a crap if someone has an abortion and I'm not religious at all so that's where the liberals would want to sway me to their side. I don't buy either side's bull**** litmus tests.
 
Manchin the blue dog democrat that the Democratic Party need. As you can see though they do not really care about
That though.

I would vote for machin. I voted for bill Nelson and he is nothing more than a parrot of the liberal machine.
 
Geoist said:
I have no problem with Manchin not signing the pledge. In fact, I wish more of our congressmen refused. With that said, why exactly is he a Democrat?
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He is big pro-union.
 
ludin said:
He is big pro-union.
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Ah, and that makes sense too. West Virginia is a heavy blue-collar industrial area so he'd probably be an outcast if he wasn't pro-union, despite WV being a red state.
 
Fantôme said:
Senator says he won’t vote with party, doesn’t ‘give a s—t’ if it costs him election
NY Post | By Bob Fredericks | August 7, 2017 | 1:20pm

View attachment 67220995
Senator Joe Manchin



Soource

Senator Manchin was referring to a push by his Democrat colleagues to have him sign a "letter" to define the Democrats 3 main "talking points" on tax reform. He refuses to sign it.

I applaud this act of open rebellion even if it is on a minor issue. The mid-term election is underway already. Manchin will be battling a Republican in what will be undoubtedly be a hard fought campaign in a state who's governor switch from Democrat to Republican just last week.

This is only a small crack in the Democrats front line but small cracks in enormous dams tend to grow and expand. I hope this crack splits wide open.
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Blue dog... he's in a deeply red state and therefore he thinks he has to act like a republican to keep his job.
 
NIMBY said:
Manchin votes for the constituents of his state, just as Murkowski and Collins do on the flip side .
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I actually sent him an email recently encouraging him to run for pres, even though I am not a constituent. If it had been him running against Trump I would have voted for him. To be clear though, I did not vote for either Hillary or Trump.
 
haymarket said:
There just may be a Trump scheme at work to name Manchin to his Cabinet and thus allow the turncoat new Republican governor of WV a chance to appoint a republican in his place and increase their Senate advantage... and thereby give new life to a health care repeal vote.
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That has been talked about. But, we're talking the Senate here. Too many people think that passing the Senate means it becomes law. If the Senate votes 51-50 to repeal Obamacare or repeal and replace, it ain't goin nowhere in the House. More wasted time.
 
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