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Jeff Flake Knocks Republicans For Not Standing Up To Birthers

trouble13 said:
Transexuals are not displaying thier natural apperance but Im guessing you dont approve of them being mocked for thier apperance.
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I get it, Drumpf is a Trans-orange, a trans-Cheeto, a trans-Dorito....and I should respect his choice while he makes that transition.
Its OK to mock Trump for his skin tone because why? Do rich white guys automatically forfeit their right to be treated for who they are and not how they look.
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No, yer right, I have to respect Drumpf as he makes his transition to a...Cheesy-poof. Yer absolutely right.
Are you just as big of a biggot (sic) as the people you complain about? If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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OH MY GAWD, THAT IS QUOTE WORTHY!!!
 
Perotista said:
Rainy day in Georgia. Would you believe a high today of 75 degrees. Georgia, in August, a high of 75? That is just 4 degrees above our average low. I'm used to seeing 90 degree weather in August and some 100's at the beginning of September. On the senate, we may be seeing a normalization in the senate. Where red states will elect two Republicans and blue state electing two Democrats as senators. This trend could make Montana, North Dakota, Indiana and Missouri hard states for the Democrats to hold. Of course that all depends on the candidates. It's no secret Missouri doesn't like McCaskill. But Montana, North Dakota likes their senators. Indiana, I'm not sure and until some polls come out, hard to tell. I do think Nevada will be a Democratic pickup and Arizona is a good possibility. Wait until the end of the year or beginning of next, I will start my senate forecasts then.
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Just got in from the yard; spent very little time in the house today; finally attached the iPhone charger in the garage; we're in a great high pressure system; Black Hills were running 75/45 every day; love western weather except no rain; going to far southern Illinois on 8/21 for the total eclipse:

Manchin has a tough Jenkins; McCaskill has no completion yet; Donnelley has a tough congressman; McConnell's still pissed at trump for taking Zinke out of MT v. Tester; Heitkamp may get the only congressman;

DEMs might get lots of help from divisive GOP primaries; OH, NV, AZ; Baldwin and Nelson could get tested; a quick brush up on The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017 keeps showing new candidates Mon. through Fri. The 3 ratings firms are great.

The house is wide-open both ways. GOPs have 36 stated targets, DEMs 59; though the DEM list is grown considerably ;
 
BadK9 said:
The average working stiff didn't give a darn about the birther crap, as evidenced by their vote for Trump in the general election.

It seems your hatred of Trump and anything conservative has blinded you to reality. In case you haven't noticed, the economy is IMPROVING.

The Democratic governor of West Virginia just switched to the GOP. I think you are seriously mistaken with your view that the GOP is collapsing.

By the way, if the economy ends up going south, I'll be the FIRST to call for Trump to be dumped. I won't pledge blind allegiance to a politician just because he's got an "R" by his name, as 99.9999% of liberals do with Democrats.
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Wasn't that West Virginia governor a GOP before he became a DEM; now he's a GOP again ; :lamo:lamo
 
Perotista said:
Rainy day in Georgia. Would you believe a high today of 75 degrees. Georgia, in August, a high of 75? That is just 4 degrees above our average low. I'm used to seeing 90 degree weather in August and some 100's at the beginning of September. On the senate, we may be seeing a normalization in the senate. Where red states will elect two Republicans and blue state electing two Democrats as senators. This trend could make Montana, North Dakota, Indiana and Missouri hard states for the Democrats to hold. Of course that all depends on the candidates. It's no secret Missouri doesn't like McCaskill. But Montana, North Dakota likes their senators. Indiana, I'm not sure and until some polls come out, hard to tell. I do think Nevada will be a Democratic pickup and Arizona is a good possibility. Wait until the end of the year or beginning of next, I will start my senate forecasts then.
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

I totally agree with you on the weather we're having! This morning at 0730, it was 62 degrees on the outside thermometer. I couldn't believe my eyes, so I checked the temperature on the internet and yup, it said 62! Pero, in early August in my area of NE Ohio, it used to be normal to have temps in the high 70s with very dry conditions in the morning, and then climb from there to the mid to high 80s as the sun moved higher. We don't get days in the 90s like you do, but I have kept gardening records for years, and despite what the climate experts say, it's been slowly getting cooler, not warmer, over the past 10 years around here! Our weather is more like the Northeastern States of Maine or New Hampshire now, and that's just so weird! :thumbdown:
 
Perotista said:
Rainy day in Georgia. Would you believe a high today of 75 degrees. Georgia, in August, a high of 75? That is just 4 degrees above our average low. I'm used to seeing 90 degree weather in August and some 100's at the beginning of September. On the senate, we may be seeing a normalization in the senate. Where red states will elect two Republicans and blue state electing two Democrats as senators. This trend could make Montana, North Dakota, Indiana and Missouri hard states for the Democrats to hold. Of course that all depends on the candidates. It's no secret Missouri doesn't like McCaskill. But Montana, North Dakota likes their senators. Indiana, I'm not sure and until some polls come out, hard to tell. I do think Nevada will be a Democratic pickup and Arizona is a good possibility. Wait until the end of the year or beginning of next, I will start my senate forecasts then.
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Think trump's endorsement of Sen. Luther Strange in the Alabama primary next Tuesday will help or hurt?

Two other prominent opponents are Freedom Caucus Rep. Mo Brooks and Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore.

Top two primary if no one gets 50% in a 12-person primary .
 
NIMBY said:
Just got in from the yard; spent very little time in the house today; finally attached the iPhone charger in the garage; we're in a great high pressure system; Black Hills were running 75/45 every day; love western weather except no rain; going to far southern Illinois on 8/21 for the total eclipse:

Manchin has a tough Jenkins; McCaskill has no completion yet; Donnelley has a tough congressman; McConnell's still pissed at trump for taking Zinke out of MT v. Tester; Heitkamp may get the only congressman;

DEMs might get lots of help from divisive GOP primaries; OH, NV, AZ; Baldwin and Nelson could get tested; a quick brush up on The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017 keeps showing new candidates Mon. through Fri. The 3 ratings firms are great.

The house is wide-open both ways. GOPs have 36 stated targets, DEMs 59; though the DEM list is grown considerably ;
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I realize you like to include the likely house races, I don't. In my book the likely house races aren't competitive, but could become so. Are they up for grabs, not if they aren't competitive. I go with tossups and with leans. Cooks House races has 28 Republicans in the lean and tossup category with 10 Democrats. Rothenberg slightly different as he shows 24 Republicans vs. 9 Democrats. Sabato has 30 Republicans at risk vs 9 for the Democrats. The numbers are close to being identical. If the election was held today, I would say 15-20 seat pickup for the Democrats. Not the 24 they need.

But with 14 months or so to go, the question becomes how many likely, the now non-competitive will become competitive and be placed at risk between now and then? We have no way of knowing. At this time I expect the Democratic numbers to remain about the same, while the GOP number grow some. From 30 at risk, tossup and lean to around 40 according to the trends. Being the generic congressional polls gives the Democrats the edge by 8-10 points depending the poll, with Trump's approval rating below 40, with the Republican affiliation numbers declining from 31% to 25% since Trump took office, a net gain of 30 for the Democrats would be very probable if that trend continues or remains the same between now and the midterms.

The Democrats aren't liked either, but they are disliked a bit less and that might make all the difference. The other question is, when house candidates are campaigning, it will be the Democrats against Trump and the GOP against Pelosi. Who can install the most hatred? Trump or Pelosi in getting the voter to hate the other more?

I hate campaigns based on hate. No one ever wins that way. Not governable wins anyway.
 
NIMBY said:
Just got in from the yard; spent very little time in the house today; finally attached the iPhone charger in the garage; we're in a great high pressure system; Black Hills were running 75/45 every day; love western weather except no rain; going to far southern Illinois on 8/21 for the total eclipse:

Manchin has a tough Jenkins; McCaskill has no completion yet; Donnelley has a tough congressman; McConnell's still pissed at trump for taking Zinke out of MT v. Tester; Heitkamp may get the only congressman;

DEMs might get lots of help from divisive GOP primaries; OH, NV, AZ; Baldwin and Nelson could get tested; a quick brush up on The Green Papers: United States Off Year Election 2017 keeps showing new candidates Mon. through Fri. The 3 ratings firms are great.

The house is wide-open both ways. GOPs have 36 stated targets, DEMs 59; though the DEM list is grown considerably ;
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I realize you like to include the likely house races, I don't. In my book the likely house races aren't competitive, but could become so. Are they up for grabs, not if they aren't competitive. I go with tossups and with leans. Cooks House races has 28 Republicans in the lean and tossup category with 10 Democrats. Rothenberg slightly different as he shows 24 Republicans vs. 9 Democrats. Sabato has 30 Republicans at risk vs 9 for the Democrats. The numbers are close to being identical. If the election was held today, I would say 15-20 seat pickup for the Democrats. Not the 24 they need.

But with 14 months or so to go, the question becomes how many likely, the now non-competitive will become competitive and be placed at risk between now and then? We have no way of knowing. At this time I expect the Democratic numbers to remain about the same, while the GOP number grow some. From 30 at risk, tossup and lean to around 40 according to the trends. Being the generic congressional polls gives the Democrats the edge by 8-10 points depending the poll, with Trump's approval rating below 40, with the Republican affiliation numbers declining from 31% to 25% since Trump took office, a net gain of 30 for the Democrats would be very probable if that trend continues or remains the same between now and the midterms.

The Democrats aren't liked either, but they are disliked a bit less and that might make all the difference. The other question is, when house candidates are campaigning, it will be the Democrats against Trump and the GOP against Pelosi. Who can install the most hatred? Trump or Pelosi in getting the voter to hate the other more?

I hate campaigns based on hate. No one ever wins that way. Not governable wins anyway.
 
Perotista said:
I realize you like to include the likely house races, I don't. In my book the likely house races aren't competitive, but could become so. Are they up for grabs, not if they aren't competitive. I go with tossups and with leans. Cooks House races has 28 Republicans in the lean and tossup category with 10 Democrats. Rothenberg slightly different as he shows 24 Republicans vs. 9 Democrats. Sabato has 30 Republicans at risk vs 9 for the Democrats. The numbers are close to being identical. If the election was held today, I would say 15-20 seat pickup for the Democrats. Not the 24 they need.

But with 14 months or so to go, the question becomes how many likely, the now non-competitive will become competitive and be placed at risk between now and then? We have no way of knowing. At this time I expect the Democratic numbers to remain about the same, while the GOP number grow some. From 30 at risk, tossup and lean to around 40 according to the trends. Being the generic congressional polls gives the Democrats the edge by 8-10 points depending the poll, with Trump's approval rating below 40, with the Republican affiliation numbers declining from 31% to 25% since Trump took office, a net gain of 30 for the Democrats would be very probable if that trend continues or remains the same between now and the midterms.

The Democrats aren't liked either, but they are disliked a bit less and that might make all the difference. The other question is, when house candidates are campaigning, it will be the Democrats against Trump and the GOP against Pelosi. Who can install the most hatred? Trump or Pelosi in getting the voter to hate the other more?

I hate campaigns based on hate. No one ever wins that way. Not governable wins anyway.
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I see you posted duplicate. I'm getting slow (server) also.

trump and his PAC will also continue to use Clinton, Warren, etc. in targeted states like the KY-6 race, now at-risk for GOPs against DEM retired 20-year Lt. Col. Amy McGrath.

Since Ossoff was in an R + 8 CD, he wasn't supposed to come close. Neither was Parnell in SC, Thompson in KS, and Quist in MT. I'm using the PVI index of R + 4 to D + 4 for at-risk but haven't looked at them for a few weeks.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

I totally agree with you on the weather we're having! This morning at 0730, it was 62 degrees on the outside thermometer. I couldn't believe my eyes, so I checked the temperature on the internet and yup, it said 62! Pero, in early August in my area of NE Ohio, it used to be normal to have temps in the high 70s with very dry conditions in the morning, and then climb from there to the mid to high 80s as the sun moved higher. We don't get days in the 90s like you do, but I have kept gardening records for years, and despite what the climate experts say, it's been slowly getting cooler, not warmer, over the past 10 years around here! Our weather is more like the Northeastern States of Maine or New Hampshire now, and that's just so weird! :thumbdown:
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You know, getting cooler in Georgia also. At least over the last ten years or so. It used to be beginning towards the end of May till the middle or late September our lows would be in the low 70's. Highs in the 80's until July and August then in the 90's cooling down again towards the middle of September with a few days in the 100's. Usually for some reason the first part of September.

Now we had a warmer winter than usual, followed by a cooler summer. So far anyhow. I don't remember any days below freezing during last winter and we have been known to get a ten day period where that usually happens. Sometimes into the single digits for a couple of days. Then it might climb back up into the 40's as lows. The last several nights our lows has been around 65 when the normal lows is closer to 75. What the heck.

Now I hate cold weather with a purple passion, so the warmer winters are welcome. The heat has never bothered me, not since I spent those ten years in Southeast Asia anyway.
 
NIMBY said:
I see you posted duplicate. I'm getting slow (server) also.

trump and his PAC will also continue to use Clinton, Warren, etc. in targeted states like the KY-6 race, now at-risk for GOPs against DEM retired 20-year Lt. Col. Amy McGrath.

Since Ossoff was in an R + 8 CD, he wasn't supposed to come close. Neither was Parnell in SC, Thompson in KS, and Quist in MT. I'm using the PVI index of R + 4 to D + 4 for at-risk but haven't looked at them for a few weeks.
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I kept getting site unreachable. Took too long. Correct on Ossoff. As Republican as that district is, Ossoff shouldn't have come within ten points. I'll get into this come years end when I start my forecasts. What I find amazing is the number of Trump supporters who really, really, really think the GOP will gain seats next year. I finally gave up talking to them. Factual numbers mean nothing to them, it is either the polls are all wrong or I've been brainwashed by the media. That Trump is loved by 75% of Americans as all the polls are nothing but fakes. Oh well.
 
Perotista said:
You know, getting cooler in Georgia also. At least over the last ten years or so. It used to be beginning towards the end of May till the middle or late September our lows would be in the low 70's. Highs in the 80's until July and August then in the 90's cooling down again towards the middle of September with a few days in the 100's. Usually for some reason the first part of September.

Now we had a warmer winter than usual, followed by a cooler summer. So far anyhow. I don't remember any days below freezing during last winter and we have been known to get a ten day period where that usually happens. Sometimes into the single digits for a couple of days. Then it might climb back up into the 40's as lows. The last several nights our lows has been around 65 when the normal lows is closer to 75. What the heck.

Now I hate cold weather with a purple passion, so the warmer winters are welcome. The heat has never bothered me, not since I spent those ten years in Southeast Asia anyway.
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This past Christmas Day, we were running around in T-shirts and capris while delivering gifts to friends - in Ohio! :wow:
 
polgara said:
This past Christmas Day, we were running around in T-shirts and capris while delivering gifts to friends - in Ohio! :wow:
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We've had Christmas's like that. But this is Georgia, not Ohio. Do you guys get a lot of lake effect snow? I have an uncle in northern Indiana who said they used to get tons of the stuff, but now they don't. All that snow goes north of them. It's in a way like where I live south of Atlanta. Most of the bad weather travel north of Atlanta. It's getting past this old man's bed time, at least that is what the wife is saying. Take care and until next time.
 
Perotista said:
We've had Christmas's like that. But this is Georgia, not Ohio. Do you guys get a lot of lake effect snow? I have an uncle in northern Indiana who said they used to get tons of the stuff, but now they don't. All that snow goes north of them. It's in a way like where I live south of Atlanta. Most of the bad weather travel north of Atlanta. It's getting past this old man's bed time, at least that is what the wife is saying. Take care and until next time.
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We used to get lots more snow when I was a kid than we do now - we used to dig tunnels in the snow right off the front porch and crawl inside, pretending we were Eskimos - but it's still enough to require snow plowing just to get down my driveway to the street, usually all for nothing since my street isn't a high priority for the city - they seem to think clearing the major thoroughfares are more important! As Alabama Paul used to say...Hrrumph! :lol: Oddly, even though I only live 45 minutes south of Cleveland, Clevelanders can be digging out from a big snowstorm and we haven't even had flurries here! Has the earth tilted a bit on its axis, or is it just where we currently are in the Milky Way or something? Puzzling.....

By the way, it was 56 degrees this morning! That'll learn me to stop grousing about the 62 degrees we had yesterday morning! :lamo
 
AlbqOwl said:
This is true. The birthers were always a small minority anyway, and were no sillier and no worse that those who insisted that President Bush didn't fulfill his military obligation or that the government blew up the World Trade Center, or President Trump conspired with the Russians to fix a U.S. election, yadda yadda. There will always be conspiracy theorists among us and such are not tied to any particular ideology or political party. The politics of personal destruction runs hot and swift in America regardless of who hold political power at any given time and conspiracies are as good a reason to push that as any.

President Trump was never a birther in the fanatical conspiracy sense. I think he was intrigued, as I and many others were, as to why President Obama was so reluctant to release a birth certificate or his college admission papers etc. and why these were being so diligently protected and secretive. His eligibility to be President was far less an issue than curiosity about what he had to hide. And then citizen Donald Trump was not only up for a good challenge, but had the wherewithal to seriously pursue it. It was fun, a game, for him as it would have been for me had I the money and resources to really go after something like that.

But the Trump haters will never ever be able to see it that way. They are too committed to their determination to expose him as the despicable person they want everybody to recognize.
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This sounds like a foxfyre defense of Trump. No, he was not intrigued, he saw it as a dirty tool in his bag of tricks, and used it, well knowing that Obama was a citizen born in Hawaii.
 
JamesBY said:
This sounds like a foxfyre defense of Trump. No, he was not intrigued, he saw it as a dirty tool in his bag of tricks, and used it, well knowing that Obama was a citizen born in Hawaii.
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What bag of tricks? For what purpose? When that was going on he was neither a candidate nor probably even thought about being one.

And FYI, an objective observation may or may not be a defense. I was ambivalent about Donald Trump during that time and never thought about that project as being righteous or unrighteous. It was what it was. And I will admit I was curious as to what the outcome would be.
 
AlbqOwl said:
What bag of tricks? For what purpose? When that was going on he was neither a candidate nor probably even thought about being one. And FYI, an objective observation may or may not be a defense. I was ambivalent about Donald Trump during that time and never thought about that project as being righteous or unrighteous. It was what it was. And I will admit I was curious as to what the outcome would be.
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A foxfyre sideways slide, yes, it was.

Obama put an end to any hope of a Trump run for 2012, and Trump hit back with what he knew to be a false bag of tricks act, "ooh Obama is not a citizen born" nonsense. No one in their senses ever thought Obama was not a citizen after a quick check. There was nothing 'intriguing about it.'

https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...ed09a8f7a70c728a0a1d9300258d5cfc&action=click
 
JamesBY said:
A foxfyre sideways slide, yes, it was.

Obama put an end to any hope of a Trump run for 2012, and Trump hit back with what he knew to be a false bag of tricks act, "ooh Obama is not a citizen born" nonsense. No one in their senses ever thought Obama was not a citizen after a quick check. There was nothing 'intriguing about it.'

https://video.search.yahoo.com/sear...ed09a8f7a70c728a0a1d9300258d5cfc&action=click
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You linked an Obama speech at a correspondent's dinner as evidence? Really?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Indeed. That's why he is President of the USA now of course.
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2016 was not 2012. Obama made him appear the fool, and as we both know, the Dems nominated the worst possible candidate to run against him, foxfyre.
 
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