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Jeff Flake Knocks Republicans For Not Standing Up To Birthers

I'm very interested in this inference that he was at any point going to vote "no". He has been voting in accordance with the Cheeto in Chief @ 93%.
How are you comfortable calling Trumpo cheeto?

Ive noticed there is a few of you who pride yourselves on not mocking physical attributes of people, Yet you feel completely comfortable for mocking Trumps skin tone.

It makes you no better than the people you look down on.

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You've apparently forgotten you quoted me first in a very argumentative way.
Thats whut we do here, argue...it is a debate forum.
Now you want me to stop quoting you.
If...you have no counterpoint, and you don't...and you don't support the non-sequitur you brought up.
Keep on moving the goalposts.
Expecting a counter point...or a supportive argument for whut you claim....is not"moving the goal post", it is a reasonable expectation in a debate forum.
Nothing I say will be accepted by you because I don't live in AZ as you do ...
Your unsupported arguments from IL do not line up with reality here in AZ. I'm still waiting for your math on how "minorities can turn AZ blue". Yer race/ethnicity data sources are 7 years old....good luck.
 
I wonder if Flake will admonish Democrats for not defending Trump from the "Russian collusion" fairy tale. Flake is a flake and his political days are numbered.

In the primary or General? If Flake gets by Ward, the only announced trump birther primary challenge; lazy, selfish, purist DEMs/libs/progs/bros may get their heads out of their asses long enough to vote in this midterm as they did in 2006 .
 
In the primary or General? If Flake gets by Ward, the only announced trump birther primary challenge; lazy, selfish, purist DEMs/libs/progs/bros may get their heads out of their asses long enough to vote in this midterm as they did in 2006 .

I don't know. But I predict that he's on his way out.
 
How are you comfortable calling Trumpo cheeto?
Because...he is not displaying his natural skin tone, and Orange is not a minority.....and he sin't going for an ethnic change....that's "how".

Ive noticed there is a few of you who pride yourselves on not mocking physical attributes of people, Yet you feel completely comfortable for mocking Trumps skin tone.
A non-minority who has fake tanning issues is not displaying "attributes", he is displaying a problem with his vanity and the improper use of tanning products.

It makes you no better than the people you look down on.
If you want to equate racism....with the mocking of a rich* White guy who can't properly use tanning products......you go with that.

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I don't know. But I predict that he's on his way out.

Flake is getting good press right now. Being compared to independent minded GOP senators Goldwater and McCain won't hurt in the general. Getting trashed by trump's super PAC in the primary will hurt him .
 
The Republican strategy for holding the House is quite clear, as demonstrated in the special House elections this year: demonize the Dem candidate as the spawn of Pelosi, little demons doing Pelosibub's dirtiness.

The three way race in Utah this November of dem, pub, and independent will give us better insight.

The dems would do themselves a world of help if Nancy P would announce her retirement.

I agree. I seen exactly that in Georgia 6. As long as the race was about Trump, Ossoff, the Dem was ahead. But the last two week the Republicans turned that race from one about Trump to one about Pelosi. The results speak for themselves.
 
I agree. I seen exactly that in Georgia 6. As long as the race was about Trump, Ossoff, the Dem was ahead. But the last two week the Republicans turned that race from one about Trump to one about Pelosi. The results speak for themselves.

Pelosi will not retire until she has no energy left for congress. And that is something she is not in short supply of.
 
JamesBy is a really good Dodger fan, if there is such a thing. I wonder if he remembers the old two-division NL when your Braves (my Dad's Boston Braves) were in the same division with the Reds and Astros, all 4 now in different divisions. I'd like to see you in the MLB forum once in a while.

GOPs and trump will still try to run against DEM boogiewomen in 2018 like Clinton, Pelosi, Warren, now Harris, and some of the Hollywood morons like Griffin. GOPs are the masters of smear electioneering.

Have you seen the latest ad by 20-year retired Lt. Col. Amy McGrath running against A. Barr for the KY-6? Superior and a great life story. Just the kind of DEM you'd vote for in GA.

While DEMs are focusing on gaining dozens of GOP seats in the house, they're not paying near enough attention on their own but smaller contingent of vulnerable house members. Three of them are in MN, along with 2 GOPs, making 5 of 8 in MN to watch.

I see DEMs bitching about Manchin's independence from the party, yet they fully support Murkowski and Collins voting for their constituents versus the party .

There's still a lot of us old folks who at one time fully supported the conservative Democrats. Call them yeller dog or blue dog. Democrats like Sam Nunn, Zell Miller, Joe Frank Harris, Richard Ray, Max Cleland to name a few. This is where a Jim Webb would have garnered quite a lot of support, at least in Georgia and probably would have won the state. But those Democrats are in the past. Most of us now vote Republican or are like me, pick and choose candidates regardless of party. What most folks don't realize is Georgia didn't go fully Republican until 2002 when we elected our first ever Republican governor and state legislature. Until then we continued to vote Democratic at the state and local levels. Georgia went to Carter twice and Bill Clinton once. 2002 was the year Cleland lost and in 2004 Senator Zell Miller retired. It may be hard for folks to realize Georgia had two Democratic senators up till then.

Then the Georgia Democratic Party was taken over by Atlanta Liberals and they haven't won since. Much like today's Democratic Party being run by Northeastern or West Coast liberals. Forgetting the people who live in flyover country.

I would like to see baseball go back to two divisions and cease inter league play. I'm old enough to remember the Boston Braves, then the Milwaukee Braves. Our minor league team, the Atlanta Crackers were a Southern League AA farm team of the Braves. Except for a couple of years when I think the Cardinals had them. I remember the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers, The Philadelphia A's and then the Kansas City A's. The Washington Senators which became the Minnesota Twins, then the new Washington Senators who became the Texas Rangers. There's way too many teams for me to follow like I used to.
 
lazy, selfish, purist DEMs/libs/progs/bros may get their heads out of their asses long enough to vote in this midterm as they did in 2006 .
Uh, Kyl won in 06, by nearly 10%. You make no sense at all.
 
Heller now has a primary opponent: Tarkanian. DEMs have cleared the field for Congresswoman Rosen. Tarkanian would be akin to Akin .

Their funeral. If the trends continue into next year like they have for the first six months of Trump's presidency, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Democrats actually pick up a senate seat, a net gain even if they have 25 seats up for re-election vs. only 9 for the Republicans. Now that would be a huge victory.
 
Their funeral. If the trends continue into next year like they have for the first six months of Trump's presidency, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Democrats actually pick up a senate seat, a net gain even if they have 25 seats up for re-election vs. only 9 for the Republicans. Now that would be a huge victory.

In an April Texas Lyceum poll, Cruz and O'Rourke were tied at 30 with 38 undecided; obviously too early but in play. The other one that could get challenged is Fischer in NE.

The dynamics in MT, ND, and IN are tough. Nelson and Brown are susceptible. Good GOPs in MO have backed off. Manchin and King should be fine.

I'll review my notes on the house and get back to you. MN, FL, AZ and IA have great races both ways. NH and NV have potential for GOPs. DEMs could easily take back the house based on big pickups in CA, NY, NJ, MI, IL, PA, TX, OH and NC.

You've seen the governor ratings on our 3 go to sites. Looks like great potential there to me. State legislatures will be tough and unpredictable for now .
 
Unlike you, perhaps, I DO have a life. However, you can send me a pm to make payment arrangements so that I can tutor you. You are in obvious need of an education.

I see you found the time to respond about me but oddly couldn't find the time to respond to my posts to you. And look, you found the time to post this partisan drivel.

I wonder if Flake will admonish Democrats for not defending Trump from the "Russian collusion" fairy tale. Flake is a flake and his political days are numbered.

Like most if not all conservative narratives, you have to ignore a lot actual facts. You just cant call it a fairy tale when 4 people in his admin/campaign lied about meeting the Russians, one admitted he met them to get "dirt on Hillary" which proved his first story was a lie and trump not only fired comey but told you why he fired him. I don't even have to mention the Grand Jury being empaneled. Only an obedient partisan could call that a "fairy tale". and you are still trying to pretend the birther nonsense was no big deal. If its no big deal, how come you cant respond to my posts and instead post about me? This isn't a chat room. If someone asks you to explain something you should.

And don't forget, I've asked you about your "economic" claims in two different threads.
 
I see you found the time to respond about me but oddly couldn't find the time to respond to my posts to you. And look, you found the time to post this partisan drivel.



Like most if not all conservative narratives, you have to ignore a lot actual facts. You just cant call it a fairy tale when 4 people in his admin/campaign lied about meeting the Russians, one admitted he met them to get "dirt on Hillary" which proved his first story was a lie and trump not only fired comey but told you why he fired him. I don't even have to mention the Grand Jury being empaneled. Only an obedient partisan could call that a "fairy tale". and you are still trying to pretend the birther nonsense was no big deal. If its no big deal, how come you cant respond to my posts and instead post about me? This isn't a chat room. If someone asks you to explain something you should.

And don't forget, I've asked you about your "economic" claims in two different threads.

You mean you actually believe the story that Trump and his team were working with the Russians to win the general election? Ok. Hey, I've got a GREAT deal on a bridge for you! A GREAT investment!
 
Because...he is not displaying his natural skin tone, and Orange is not a minority.....and he sin't going for an ethnic change....that's "how".

A non-minority who has fake tanning issues is not displaying "attributes", he is displaying a problem with his vanity and the improper use of tanning products.

If you want to equate racism....with the mocking of a rich* White guy who can't properly use tanning products......you go with that.

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Transexuals are not displaying thier natural apperance but Im guessing you dont approve of them being mocked for thier apperance. Its OK to mock Trump for his skin tone because why? Do rich white guys automatically forfeit their right to be treated for who they are and not how they look. Are you just as big of a biggot as the people you complain about? If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.

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Pelosi will not retire until she has no energy left for congress. And that is something she is not in short supply of.

Apparently come next year the Republicans will trying to make the midterms about Pelosi and the Democrats about Trump. Which one is the most successful walks away with the win.
 
In an April Texas Lyceum poll, Cruz and O'Rourke were tied at 30 with 38 undecided; obviously too early but in play. The other one that could get challenged is Fischer in NE.

The dynamics in MT, ND, and IN are tough. Nelson and Brown are susceptible. Good GOPs in MO have backed off. Manchin and King should be fine.

I'll review my notes on the house and get back to you. MN, FL, AZ and IA have great races both ways. NH and NV have potential for GOPs. DEMs could easily take back the house based on big pickups in CA, NY, NJ, MI, IL, PA, TX, OH and NC.

You've seen the governor ratings on our 3 go to sites. Looks like great potential there to me. State legislatures will be tough and unpredictable for now .

State legislatures always are. Governors usually are tied more to state conditions than national ones. There are always exceptions, but in general. The House and Senate are usually tied to whomever is president or if the president did something or signed something against the will of the majority of the public.

We seen that in 1994, the tax increase and even worst was increasing the federal income tax on social security from 50% to 85% of the income. 2010 was being peeved at Obama and the Democrats for the ACA. Here's what happened when a president's approval rating was below 45%. If I were a Republican, I would be worried.

The following midterms happened when a president’s approval rating was below 45% below:
1974 Ford 42% Minus 5 senate Minus 48 House seats
1982 Reagan 43% Plus 1 senate Minus 26 House seats
1994 Clinton 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 54 House seats
2006 Bush II 37% Minus 6 senate Minus 33 House seats
2010 Obama 44% Minus 6 senate Minus 63 House seats
2014 Obama 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 13 House seats

The senate doesn't always fall in line mainly because only a third are up for re-election. Next year may prove once again this point. With 25 Democratic seats to defend against 9 for the GOP, even if Trump's approval was at 25%, it would be difficult for the Dems to gain enough seats to take back the senate. I think taking back the House is very possible and perhaps even probable if the recent trend continues into next year.
 
State legislatures always are. Governors usually are tied more to state conditions than national ones. There are always exceptions, but in general. The House and Senate are usually tied to whomever is president or if the president did something or signed something against the will of the majority of the public.

We seen that in 1994, the tax increase and even worst was increasing the federal income tax on social security from 50% to 85% of the income. 2010 was being peeved at Obama and the Democrats for the ACA. Here's what happened when a president's approval rating was below 45%. If I were a Republican, I would be worried.

The following midterms happened when a president’s approval rating was below 45% below:
1974 Ford 42% Minus 5 senate Minus 48 House seats
1982 Reagan 43% Plus 1 senate Minus 26 House seats
1994 Clinton 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 54 House seats
2006 Bush II 37% Minus 6 senate Minus 33 House seats
2010 Obama 44% Minus 6 senate Minus 63 House seats
2014 Obama 41% Minus 9 senate Minus 13 House seats

The senate doesn't always fall in line mainly because only a third are up for re-election. Next year may prove once again this point. With 25 Democratic seats to defend against 9 for the GOP, even if Trump's approval was at 25%, it would be difficult for the Dems to gain enough seats to take back the senate. I think taking back the House is very possible and perhaps even probable if the recent trend continues into next year.

GOPs had no problem defending 22 of 24 senate seats last year. Did you know the 'did not vote' vote won by a landslide last year, with 44.37% and over 102 million votes?

I like that Martinez guy on Rothenburg. TTYTT, I've rather enjoyed pulling weeds around the house and covering the rocks with grass clippings versus the boob tube.

For data mining geeks like us, it's great to be an American. Two big GOP primaries next Tuesday, AL senate and UT-3. AL Senate is like yours but INTRAparty, top two to a September runoff.

Back to work; just gorgeous blue skies here, wife got home from Iowa; goes to weight watchers--her therapy group; I'll never let the cats out again without a leash as I did this past Sunday ;
 
You mean you actually believe the story that Trump and his team were working with the Russians to win the general election? Ok. Hey, I've got a GREAT deal on a bridge for you! A GREAT investment!

See how you asked a question based on feigned disbelief. That's not a response to the actual facts I've posted. Its just a dodge. While its perfectly acceptable to flail at the facts in a chat room with that nonsense this is a debate forum. I've posted the actual facts that shredded your "fairy tale" narrative. Again, you just cant call it a fairy tale when 4 people in his admin/campaign lied about meeting the Russians, one admitted he met them to get "dirt on Hillary" which proved his first story was a lie and trump not only fired comey but told you why he fired him. I don't even have to mention the Grand Jury being empaneled. Please respond to my post. thanks in advance.

And don't forget, I've asked you about your "economic" claims in two different threads. If you're going to take time out of your busy and important life, make it count.
 
GOPs had no problem defending 22 of 24 senate seats last year. Did you know the 'did not vote' vote won by a landslide last year, with 44.37% and over 102 million votes?

I like that Martinez guy on Rothenburg. TTYTT, I've rather enjoyed pulling weeds around the house and covering the rocks with grass clippings versus the boob tube.

For data mining geeks like us, it's great to be an American. Two big GOP primaries next Tuesday, AL senate and UT-3. AL Senate is like yours but INTRAparty, top two to a September runoff.

Back to work; just gorgeous blue skies here, wife got home from Iowa; goes to weight watchers--her therapy group; I'll never let the cats out again without a leash as I did this past Sunday ;

Rainy day in Georgia. Would you believe a high today of 75 degrees. Georgia, in August, a high of 75? That is just 4 degrees above our average low. I'm used to seeing 90 degree weather in August and some 100's at the beginning of September. On the senate, we may be seeing a normalization in the senate. Where red states will elect two Republicans and blue state electing two Democrats as senators. This trend could make Montana, North Dakota, Indiana and Missouri hard states for the Democrats to hold. Of course that all depends on the candidates. It's no secret Missouri doesn't like McCaskill. But Montana, North Dakota likes their senators. Indiana, I'm not sure and until some polls come out, hard to tell. I do think Nevada will be a Democratic pickup and Arizona is a good possibility. Wait until the end of the year or beginning of next, I will start my senate forecasts then.
 
Obama fueled the speculation by refusing to release his birth certificate. Jeff Flake should just join the Democratic Party and be done with it.

Why is it that one has to submit a certified copy of a birth certificate to obtain a passport but not to be the president of the United States? LOL.

I never bought into the birther crap. To me, if your parent(s) is a U.S. citizen, it shouldn't matter where you're born. With that said, I always believe Obama was born in Hawaii.

Maybe like Trump and his taxes??
 
The average working stiff didn't give a darn about the birther crap, as evidenced by their vote for Trump in the general election.

It seems your hatred of Trump and anything conservative has blinded you to reality. In case you haven't noticed, the economy is IMPROVING.

The Democratic governor of West Virginia just switched to the GOP. I think you are seriously mistaken with your view that the GOP is collapsing.

By the way, if the economy ends up going south, I'll be the FIRST to call for Trump to be dumped. I won't pledge blind allegiance to a politician just because he's got an "R" by his name, as 99.9999% of liberals do with Democrats.

Yet here you are having bought it hook line and sinker.
WOW you really don't know many liberals do you.
 
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