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32 million more people would be uninsured under new GOP Repeal Obamacare Bill

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A new Senate bill to repeal Obamacare would leave 32 million more people uninsured by 2026 than under current law, according to a Congressional Budget Office analysis released Wednesday.
Even more stunning, three-quarters of the nation would live in areas with no insurers participating in the individual market by 2026 -- leaving many without an option if they do not have employer-provided or government health insurance, such as Medicare or Medicaid.

Also, premiums would about double by 2026, compared to current law.
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32 million more people would be uninsured under new Senate Obamacare repeal bill - Jul. 19, 2017

Bwahahahahaha

TRUMP+GOP = BUCKETS OF FAIL.
 
Top Cat said:
32 million more people would be uninsured under new Senate Obamacare repeal bill - Jul. 19, 2017

Bwahahahahaha

TRUMP+GOP = BUCKETS OF FAIL.
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One needs to look through this to understand Republican motives. Their number one priority is to cut taxes for rich people. They can't accomplish that without finding hundreds of billions of dollars in spending cuts because they need to pass the bill through reconciliation, e.g. by 51 votes. The GOP health bill slashes spending (subsidies) that gives them the ability to move along with tax-cuts without Democrats.

Thus, Republican leaders are willing to sacrifice 32 million American's health care and financial security to benefit the rich.
 
We waited seven years for this pile of garbage.
 
Greenbeard said:
We waited seven years for this pile of garbage.
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Not really. We have lived with this 'pile of garbage' for seven years and now the Cons get to come to terms with what we knew all along. There was no plan; there can be no plan (their plan is what was actually implemented, that they now to repeal); it was all hot rhetoric. The Cons have called their own bluff.

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The Cons role in life is to be the opposition party. They are good critics, but know nothing about leadership.
 
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Top Cat said:
32 million more people would be uninsured under new Senate Obamacare repeal bill - Jul. 19, 2017

Bwahahahahaha

TRUMP+GOP = BUCKETS OF FAIL.
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In 2016 it was estimated 27 million people didn't have health insurance.

How Many People are Still Uninsured in 2016?

However, there are still an estimated 27 million people without health insurance. Who are they, and why aren’t they insured yet?​

Other reports show that number to be higher this year.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/11/the-number-of-americans-without-health-insurance-rose-in-first-quarter-2017.html

The rate of U.S. adults without health insurance jumped in the first quarter of 2017, as the Trump administration worked to repeal Obamacare and replace it with its own health-care reform bill.

The latest Gallup-Healthways poll found that 11.3 percent of U.S. adults didn't have health insurance in the first quarter of the year, compared to 10.9 percent of adults uninsured in the third and fourth quarters of 2016.​

So, 32 million? Considering how far off the CBO reports have been regarding Obamacare, that doesn't look so bad.

Perhaps you should add your OP to the Fail Pail

:failpail:
 
ocean515 said:
So, 32 million? Considering how far off the CBO reports have been regarding Obamacare, that doesn't look so bad.
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That's 32 million more than under current law.

The total number of uninsured would be 59 million Americans. Offering this up as a plan is a joke.
 
MTAtech said:
One needs to look through this to understand Republican motives. Their number one priority is to cut taxes for rich people. They can't accomplish that without finding hundreds of billions of dollars in spending cuts because they need to pass the bill through reconciliation, e.g. by 51 votes. The GOP health bill slashes spending (subsidies) that gives them the ability to move along with tax-cuts without Democrats.

Thus, Republican leaders are willing to sacrifice 32 million American's health care and financial security to benefit the rich.
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What is truly sad about your post is that you really believe that crap. You should really stop taking such simplistic rhetoric as fact.
 
For this to be outrageous, we must first agree that it's the job of the federal government to provide low and/or no cost insurance coverage to US citizens. I don't agree wit that, so it's not outrageous for me.

Do I feel badly for those that may lose their coverage? In some ways yes, but not in the way that I feel we as tax payers should carry their burden when I have to carry my own and the burden of my family.
 
I would bet that under the ACA premiums are going to at least double by that time period as well. if not more. As far as people being uninsured. most of those people are the people who didn't want insurance but were forced to buy it or be fined.
I'm not saying this is a good bill because it isn't. but the talking points against the bill are misdirection and don't mean much. its bad for other reasons.
 
Fletch said:
What is truly sad about your post is that you really believe that crap. You should really stop taking such simplistic rhetoric as fact.
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Instead of attacking me personally, why don't you explain where I go astray?

I am not the first to realize that the GOP bills were tax-cut bills -- cutting the ACA taxes that fall on the rich. At the same time the bill cuts Medicaid expansion, the ACA subsidies, etc. Cutting those benefits raises prices, makes it difficult for them to buy insurance -- which disinfrancises 24 million Americans. Those are indisputable facts.

Now, if the GOP motivation was to replace the ACA with something better, it was a complete failure. The bill worsens everything about health coverage, except giving rich people a tax-cut -- to the tune of an averaging of $50,000 a year per millionaire. Each of the 400 richest families in America would receive an average annual tax cut of $7 million. So, if giving tax-cuts to the rich wasn't the motive, it sure is well cloaked.
 
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SocialD said:
I would bet that under the ACA premiums are going to at least double by that time period as well. if not more.
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People, all CBO projections are relative to current law. Always. Premiums under the GOP's bill are double what they would be under the ACA.

CBO said:
In total, as a result of reduced enrollment, higher average health care costs among remaining enrollees, and less participation by insurers, CBO and JCT project that average premiums for silver plans in the nongroup market would be about 50 percent higher in 2020—relative to projections under current law—and would about double by 2026. For people who would have received premium tax credits under current law, the increase in the net premium that they paid would be much greater.
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MTAtech owns fletch.

Will the GOP replace ACA with something better: does not look like it yet.
 
Greenbeard said:
That's 32 million more than under current law.

The total number of uninsured would be 59 million Americans. Offering this up as a plan is a joke.
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Current law has apparently left 30 million or so without health insurance. That number was 40 million when Obamacare was being pitched.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/erbe/2009/08/20/what-is-the-actual-number-of-americans-without-health-insurance

So Obamacare managed to bring down the number of those without health insurance by 10 million.

The CBO analysis done in 2009 had the actual number by now way below the current 30 million.

Bottom line is, the CBO is a tool, not a last say.




Democrats have used for more than a year now ranges between 40 million and 46 million
 
Greenbeard said:
People, all CBO projections are relative to current law. Always. Premiums under the GOP's bill are double what they would be under the ACA.
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Well Since teh ACA has passed premiums are more than triple for me. So whether it doubles or triples or whatever in the next 9 years.. at that point I would just pay the fine , if there is still one, and not have insurance.
There are a few certainties, with the ACA insurance will be unnafordable for many and unusable for some others. so it has to go. SO...whatever alternative is created, it needs to focus on affordability. its pointless otherwise.
 
ocean515 said:
The CBO analysis done in 2009 had the actual number by now way below the current 30 million.
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In 2009, the CBO predicted the number of uninsured last year would be 21 million; as you pointed out, the number was actually 27 million. Off by six million. Expand Medicaid in the remaining states and 5 million more gain coverage--pretty much on target.
 
ocean515 said:
Current law has apparently left 30 million or so without health insurance. That number was 40 million when Obamacare was being pitched.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...-number-of-americans-without-health-insurance

So Obamacare managed to bring down the number of those without health insurance by 10 million.

The CBO analysis done in 2009 had the actual number by now way below the current 30 million.

Bottom line is, the CBO is a tool, not a last say.




Democrats have used for more than a year now ranges between 40 million and 46 million
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I defer to the CBO's Feb 2013 report, on your math. Specifically, the table shows 55 million people uninsured in 2013, that they predicted would fall to 44 million by 2014 (that's 11 million in one year) and to 29 million by 2020.

In their 2014 report (table 2, pg 4), they show that the number of uninsured was 42 million -- a drop of 12 million in one year and predicted 30 million by 2020 -- a drop of 25 million since 2013.
 
Greenbeard said:
In 2009, the CBO predicted the number of uninsured last year would be 21 million; as you pointed out, the number was actually 27 million. Off by six million. Expand Medicaid in the remaining states and 5 million more gain coverage--pretty much on target.
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20% percent off would get someone fired.

Regardless, the CBO is nothing more than a tool, it's not the last word.
 
ocean515 said:
20% percent off would get someone fired.

Regardless, the CBO is nothing more than a tool, it's not the last word.
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Factcheck has an article on this.
CBO greatly overestimated the number who would get government-subsidized coverage through the new insurance exchanges. But at the same time, CBO underestimated the number who would get coverage through expanding Medicaid.
And whatever the failings of CBO’s predictions, they were closer to the mark than those of the Obama administration and some other prominent forecasters.
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countryboy said:
How many of that alleged 32 million would choose not to have insurance? Why do you hate liberty?
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Ah, I forgot this was all about freedom and liberty -- the same kind of freedom of choice that has Americans 'choose' not to buy multi-million dollar apartments in Trump Towers. So, when 32 million Americans don't buy health plans, it's because they are exercising their "liberty" not to buy a health plan that costs 80% of their annual income.
 
MTAtech said:
Ah, I forgot this was all about freedom and liberty -- the same kind of freedom of choice that has Americans 'choose' not to buy multi-million dollar apartments in Trump Towers. So, when 32 million Americans don't buy health plans, it's because they are exercising their "liberty" not to buy a health plan that costs 80% of their annual income.
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Thanks for making my point for me. O'Bama care forces Americans not only to purchase a product from a private company, it forces them to purchase coverage they neither want, or need. Yay liberty! :roll:
 
countryboy said:
Thanks for making my point for me. O'Bama care forces Americans not only to purchase a product from a private company, it forces them to purchase coverage they neither want, or need. Yay liberty! :roll:
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If we want insurance to cover preexisting conditions, which most do, we have no choice but to have an individual mandate -- and we need to have subsidies for those who can't easily afford insurance.

Under ACA repeal mandates disappear and so does subsidies the causing an instant event that prevents millions of people able to afford insurance.
 
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ocean515 said:
In 2016 it was estimated 27 million people didn't have health insurance.

How Many People are Still Uninsured in 2016?

However, there are still an estimated 27 million people without health insurance. Who are they, and why aren’t they insured yet?​

Other reports show that number to be higher this year.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/11/the-number-of-americans-without-health-insurance-rose-in-first-quarter-2017.html

The rate of U.S. adults without health insurance jumped in the first quarter of 2017, as the Trump administration worked to repeal Obamacare and replace it with its own health-care reform bill.

The latest Gallup-Healthways poll found that 11.3 percent of U.S. adults didn't have health insurance in the first quarter of the year, compared to 10.9 percent of adults uninsured in the third and fourth quarters of 2016.​

So, 32 million? Considering how far off the CBO reports have been regarding Obamacare, that doesn't look so bad.

Perhaps you should add your OP to the Fail Pail

:failpail:
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Repeal or Replace Obamacare. FAIL.
 
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