Homeowner slams cop for shooting tail-wagging dog

calamity · Jul 12, 2017

MrPeanut said:
I agree, they looked like a couple of thugs to me. Note to all the dogs out there. If a cop tells you stay back don't walk in his general direction or else.

lol...how about "blame the dog not the cop."

Seriously. Thread starts by whining about cops shooting dog with wagging tail--obviously trying to spin story to say wagging tail means friendly dog. I proved that theory was incorrect. I'm done.

ALiberalModerate · Jul 12, 2017

SocialD said:
I'm not surprised. My dad had a german shorthaired pointer shot by fish and game officer who claimed the dog was killing deer ( my dad lived on the edge of town so there were deer in the area ). The dog was about 40lbs and not aggressive ever it just liked to run and chase and it jumped the six foot fence once or twice and ran up the hill.
The thought that a dog that size could chase down and kill a deer is silly. There were also coyotes and occasionally mountain lions in the area which were probably the culprits of any deer killing.

I can't imagine a GSP ever killing a deer. We have a vizsla and all he would ever do is point at one.

ALiberalModerate · Jul 12, 2017

The Minneapolis Police Department should pick up the tab for all the vet bills. That said, just because a dog's tail is wagging doesn't mean much. I have seen dogs kill another dog with their tail wagging the whole time.

MrPeanut · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
lol...how about "blame the dog not the cop."

Seriously. Thread starts by whining about cops shooting dog with wagging tail--obviously trying to spin story to say wagging tail means friendly dog. I proved that theory was incorrect. I'm done.

The cop had his gun drawn and had a threatening posture. I agree the first dog looked nervous, but he also didn't attack the cop. He was walking in the general direction of the cop, but not head on. It wasn't until the cop shot the first one that the second one actually ran at him. I understand that the cop was probably scared, because of the breed of dog, but he is still responsible for his actions.

Mr Person · Jul 12, 2017

Mr Person said:
Of course a dog may be "nervous" if a stranger shows up in its territory and starts making loud noises at it. If nervous wags are an excuse to shoot dogs and you're defending it, you're defending an overall situation where cops are allowed to shoot whatever pets they happen to find on someone's property.

I'd say that policy has no business in this country.

calamity said:
I have no idea why the cop was in the yard. But, assuming he had a legal reason to be in the yard, it is incumbent on the owner to keep the dogs away from him.

And that is called taking contrarianism to an absurd extreme.

There is no good reason why dog owners should have to worry that their dogs will be executed if someone happens to report a crime requiring the police to get near their property, unless the owner is Michael Vick.

calamity · Jul 12, 2017

Mr Person said:
And that is called taking contrarianism to an absurd extreme.

There is no good reason why dog owners should have to worry that their dogs will be executed if someone happens to report a crime requiring the police to get near their property, unless the owner is Michael Vick.

So?

Cop has legal right to be in your yard. He thus has the expectation that you will have your dog under control. Fail to do so, and he has the right to shoot it (besides is not the owner nearby? He or she is making a video).

It's one of those things. How do I put it? It's not supposed to be this way, but it is this way.

radcen · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
lol...how about "blame the dog not the cop."

Seriously. Thread starts by whining about cops shooting dog with wagging tail--obviously trying to spin story to say wagging tail means friendly dog. I proved that theory was incorrect. I'm done.

You didn't "prove" anything. You merely posted your no-less biased opinion opposite of what you clearly deride others for doing.

Μολὼν λαβέ · Jul 12, 2017

roughdraft274 said:
The dog was clearly not obeying orders.

This is exactly the mentality of some who think cops can do no wrong. I used to work with a guy whose dad was a LEO and this was his justification for all police shootings.

calamity · Jul 12, 2017

radcen said:
You didn't "prove" anything. You merely posted your no-less biased opinion opposite of what you clearly deride others for.

Uh, BS. I posted the facts. "Wagging tail does not indicate dog is happy or will not attack." Anyone who knows anything about dogs knows that.

AGENT J · Jul 12, 2017

dirtpoorchris said:
Homeowner slams cop for shooting tail-wagging dog | New York Post

Goes to show you that there really are murder cops out there just waiting for their chance to legally kill something.

Wow thats piss poor training and response right there.
They should sue, the Police department should have to pay the medical bills and the office should be removed from that force.

Mr Person · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
So?

Cop has legal right to be in your yard. He thus has the expectation that you will have your dog under control. Fail to do so, and he has the right to shoot it (besides is not the owner nearby? He or she is making a video).

It's one of those things. How do I put it? It's not supposed to be this way, but it is this way.

The bolded is what I'm saying: it should not be this way.

radcen · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
Uh, BS. I posted the facts. "Wagging tail does not indicate dog is happy or will not attack." Anyone who knows anything about dogs knows that.

Nor does it indicate they will. Offsetting fact, convenient ignored by you. Your "BS" dismissed.

Μολὼν λαβέ · Jul 12, 2017

Vox said:
It was a BURGLARY call!

Why weren't the dogs chasing the BURGLAR??????? Why were they off topic and threatening a cop????????

Obviously the dogs needed better training.

You obviously didn't read the article as there was no burglar.

One of LeMay’s daughters, however, came home earlier than expected and accidentally triggered the home’s alarm system. Two officers responded to the home about 20 minutes after LeMay called the security company to deactivate the alarm, she said.

More evidence you didn't read the article but that didn't prevent your bias from showing.

Surveillance video shows the unidentified officer with the Minneapolis Police Department walking backwards in a back yard with his gun drawn when a Staffordshire terrier — named Ciroc — walks toward him wagging his tail Saturday night. The cop suddenly fires his pistol, hitting the dog in the jaw before the animal runs off.

Homeowner slams cop for shooting tail-wagging dog | New York Post

Henrin · Jul 12, 2017

I have noticed that a lot of these cases the officer freaks out for little to no reason. Maybe the government should consider reviewing the training they are giving to police.

Μολὼν λαβέ · Jul 12, 2017

Vox said:
And for God's sake.......if your child needs a psychological comfort dog.......get him a golden retriever, not TWO dogs specifically bred as killers!

:roll::roll::roll:

Your bias continues to show.

According to the American Kennel Club "The Am Staff is a people-oriented dog that thrives when he is made part of the family and given a job to do.[5] Although friendly, this breed is loyal to his own family."[7]

Killers indeed!!!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Staffordshire_Terrier

Μολὼν λαβέ · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
I have no idea why the cop was in the yard. But, assuming he had a legal reason to be in the yard, it is incumbent on the owner to keep the dogs away from him.

The yard was apparently fenced as the cop jumped it.

If I let my GSD outside to take a leak then I should keep her away from a cop I don't know is in my fenced back yard?

Μολὼν λαβέ · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
Ah, so the cop should let the dog attack him because....why exactly?

There's no evidence the dog attacked or was going to attack except in your imagination.

chuckiechan · Jul 12, 2017

calamity said:
Ah, so the cop should let the dog attack him because....why exactly?

Why didn't the cop just Mace the dog. Sends them running.

Slingshot Bob · Jul 12, 2017

chuckiechan said:
Why didn't the cop just Mace the dog. Sends them running.

Or taser, the thug just wanted to use his gun.

calamity · Jul 12, 2017

radcen said:
Nor does it indicate they will. Offsetting fact, convenient ignored by you. Your "BS" dismissed.

Premise of thread: Dog wagging tail is no threat. I showed that it was. BS is your dismissal.

calamity · Jul 12, 2017

Μολὼν λαβέ;1067406977 said:
There's no evidence the dog attacked or was going to attack except in your imagination.

So? It's just a ****ing dog.

"Send the cop to the gas chamber. He shot a dog." :roll:

calamity · Jul 12, 2017

chuckiechan said:
Why didn't the cop just Mace the dog. Sends them running.

Ask him.

dirtpoorchris · Jul 12, 2017

Slingshot Bob said:
Or taser, the thug just wanted to use his gun.

If some unknown man is in your yard and shoots your dog. Do you legally have the right to shoot him through your window?

If some drunk hops your fence and stabs your dog and is still in your front facing your house, do you have the right to shoot him?

if a gang of people hop your fence, notice your dog and shoot it... doesnt it kinda seem like an ambush or attack? Can you shoot them?

If some cop hops your fence and shoots what is CLEARLY a non-aggressive dog can you argue that you are defending your house and shoot him?

Slingshot Bob · Jul 12, 2017

dirtpoorchris said:
If some unknown man is in your yard and shoots your dog. Do you legally have the right to shoot him through your window?

If some drunk hops your fence and stabs your dog and is still in your front facing your house, do you have the right to shoot him?

if a gang of people hop your fence, notice your dog and shoot it... doesnt it kinda seem like an ambush or attack? Can you shoot them?

If some cop hops your fence and shoots what is CLEARLY a non-aggressive dog can you argue that you are defending your house and shoot him?

I'm not sure, but I read about this case on another forum, evidently he was responding to a burglary call, if true he had legal right to jump the fence, does not absolve of the dogs though.

SMTA · Jul 12, 2017

Slingshot Bob said:
I'm not sure, but I read about this case on another forum, evidently he was responding to a burglary call, if true he had legal right to jump the fence, does not absolve of the dogs though.

All they had to do is knock on door first.

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