Conservatives revolt over talk of keeping ObamaCare tax

reinoe said:

McConnell and Ryan have had 7 years to come up with a plan. This is why Trump is a success and the legislature is a spectacular failure.

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Trump is a success? Thats a stretch.

trouble13 said:

What does being too poor to afford taxes even mean. Define it rather than throw out an quantifiable term.

Which is more important a color tv or medicine?

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We define poverty levels based on income and dependents. Which is more important feeding you kids or paying a $1000 in taxes and letting them go hungry? Taxing most of the 95% at all is really self defeating as every tax dollar comes straight out of the GDP. Most Americans spend all or nearly all they earn and consumer spending is 75% of our GDP. Do the math. Taxes on the top 5% could easily be increased to make up the lost revenue and we would grow like gangbusters. But no.... instead we bitch and moan about how so many don't pay any taxes while steadily increasing the nest eggs of the very rich. To what end? That is what I ask you now...It won't help us grow GDP that is for sure. The rich spend and invest all they want regardless of tax rates. When you make millions of $ a year an extra $100,000 either way is really peanuts.

Mac77 said:

Social Security and medicare are earned benefits - paid for through payroll tales

If you dont pay you dont play

The Interstate Highways are not targeted giveaways where drivers who make their car payments on time are taxed extra to pay for drivers who default on their car payments

As for fire and police protection that is not a constitutionally guaranteed right

Amajority of the voters could decide to return to private services and there is nothing liberals could do about it

And if thats what it takes to end creeping socialism sign me up

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LOL Yea and we could just leave unisured accident victims by the side of the road for the buzzards too. The sheer greed and the lack of empathy of your mentality astounds me. Did you have a disturbing childhood? You are living in the greatest nation that every was, the "City on the Hill". The example we set is a test of our humanity. I'm afraid you failed.

Slyfox696 said:

Gosh, it is almost like they were being obstructionist and deceitful, like most reasonable people were saying at the time.

Because McConnell isn't politically stupid. I can expand more on that later if you'd like, but it's lunch time.

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You know what's funny about all that Republican obstruction under Obama?

When he became president, the economy was in danger of going off the cliff. At best it was going to take years to recover from the shenanigans of Wall Street. What did the Republicans do to his good-faith efforts to try to do precisely that? Block, stall, and impeded every last one of them. And yet, in part because of the recovery package that was able to get through the first few months, and in larger part because of the record-low interest rates that lasted for years, the recovery did happen. It didn't help out the middle class as much as it should have, but it did happen.

Now the Republicans have inherited the Obama economy and are content to let it fly on autopilot. Right now it's doing fine but there are a few trouble spots on the radar. What if those trouble spots become imminent dangers? Can we trust Trump and the Republicans to help navigate the world's largest economy around them?

My point of bringing this up? If that becomes an issue during Trump's term in office, then if the Republicans think that repealing Obamacare has proven to be difficult, then they ain't seen nothing yet. Try steering an economy out of the gutter yet again while the whole world watches and critiques your every move!

iguanaman said:

We define poverty levels based on income and dependents. Which is more important feeding you kids or paying a $1000 in taxes and letting them go hungry? Taxing most of the 95% at all is really self defeating as every tax dollar comes straight out of the GDP. Most Americans spend all or nearly all they earn and consumer spending is 75% of our GDP. Do the math. Taxes on the top 5% could easily be increased to make up the lost revenue and we would grow like gangbusters. But no.... instead we bitch and moan about how so many don't pay any taxes while steadily increasing the nest eggs of the very rich. To what end? That is what I ask you now...It won't help us grow GDP that is for sure. The rich spend and invest all they want regardless of tax rates. When you make millions of $ a year an extra $100,000 either way is really peanuts.

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So you believe a color TV along with many other petty things is more important than healthcare because it inflates our GDP. Thats pretty much all I need to know to understand where your coming from. Your position of envy undermines the moral aurthority in which you think you speak from.

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jghiretire said:

So far the GOP wants no help from the dems.............so what the hell would you like them to do??
They've offered but get told to stuff it.

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Unfortunately, I think its a problem they created when all the acting like children crying in the isle of wal-mart crap happened. The Rep's are not really willing to let them get more then their foot in the door right now, and to a point I can see why. But the stalemate will have to come to an end soon. The worst part though is all of the stuff that is going on just to hinder the current presidency, like they have something to prove, and then they keep throwing mud with no real effect.

I can honestly say that Trump is in fact and old, orange, ass. Though admittedly less orange then his 90s era self.
His attitude towards the Dems does not really help, and neither does his twitter activity. It only serves as his constant window to the public, and though when it comes to CNN. This window lets him get the last word, and lets them continue to fall flat on their faces for trying to turn it into something its not.

I can see Pence being more open to delegation between the houses however, and maybe he can spark something up.

iguanaman said:

LOL

Yea and we could just leave unisured accident victims by the side of the road for the buzzards too.

The sheer greed and the lack of empathy of your mentality astounds me. Did you have a disturbing childhood? You are living in the greatest nation that every was, the "City on the Hill". The example we set is a test of our humanity. I'm afraid you failed.

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The problem with that fantasy is that it is a fantasy.

We have charity clinics and hospitals for obama voters to get free healthcare when they need it

But if you work and pay for your healthcare you get better treatment which is an incentive to strive

America cannot be a great nation if we have too many liberals laying around waiting for government to take care of them

Which is what the demand for socialized medicine is leading to

trouble13 said:

I have thought about your fly in thr ointment. I would make it legal for hospitals to recoupe thrir costs by seizing assrts and garnishing future earnings. If people are going to be garunteed treatment hospitals should be garunteed payment

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OK. When they make you dictator, you can do that.

American said:

Again they are ****ing up and not keeping their promises. Every other time before this and prior to Trump's election they voted for a full repeal. In fact that was part of the whole Tea Party movement. That's why they don't have Rand Paul onboard, and McConnell the beltway Republican is now talking about cooperating with the Dems.

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Awww.... whats the matter? Are you waking up to reality all of a sudden? The fact is that Obamacare was based almost entirely on bills that were originally written by Republicans in the first place. It already contains all the best ideas Republicans had to try and fix our health care system. That was part of President Obama's brilliance. He knew that if he passed a bill that was written largely by Republicans they would have no way of undoing it.

Republicans were happy to repeal the bill when Obama was in office because they knew damn well he would veto it so they wouldn't actually have to put their money where their mouth was. Their repeal votes were all a show to try and convince foolish people like you to keep supporting them and funding their election campaigns, but now that they actually have the power do something about our health care system we are seeing the reality that idiot Republicans have no ideas, no solutions. They can't come up with a better bill because there is no better way to solve this problem while trying to use the free market. There is only two viable ways forward. Keep Obamacare with minor changes, or go to a single payer system.

Dittohead not! said:

OK. When they make you dictator, you can do that.

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Im not the dictator type i was only offering an opinion

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MrWonka said:

Awww.... whats the matter? Are you waking up to reality all of a sudden? The fact is that Obamacare was based almost entirely on bills that were originally written by Republicans in the first place. It already contains all the best ideas Republicans had to try and fix our health care system. That was part of President Obama's brilliance. He knew that if he passed a bill that was written largely by Republicans they would have no way of undoing it.

Republicans were happy to repeal the bill when Obama was in office because they knew damn well he would veto it so they wouldn't actually have to put their money where their mouth was. Their repeal votes were all a show to try and convince foolish people like you to keep supporting them and funding their election campaigns, but now that they actually have the power do something about our health care system we are seeing the reality that idiot Republicans have no ideas, no solutions. They can't come up with a better bill because there is no better way to solve this problem while trying to use the free market. There is only two viable ways forward. Keep Obamacare with minor changes, or go to a single payer system.

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What problems do you see in ombamacare and what are the minor changes that would correct the problems?

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trouble13 said:

What problems do you see in ombamacare and what are the minor changes that would correct the problems?

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There's a number of good suggestions out there like these....

Three Ways to Fix Obamacare | The New Yorker

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c3296387341_story.html?utm_term=.8a84da394b23

My own personal suggestion on top of this however was to implement a system where once an individuals medical expenses exceeded some given threshold for the year(let's say $100,000), they would automatically be kicked over to medicare. Essentially using medicare for really really serious problems, and private health insurance would only be used primarily for more basic stuff. By not having to worry above covering these multi million dollar bills private insurance companies could then afford to radically lower their premiums and deductibles.

The long and short of things however is that if you talk to almost any Democrat within the Obama administration they noticed a number of issues with the bill in hindsight, and had fixes in mind that could have improved the situation if Republicans would have allowed them to do it. But Republicans didn't give a **** about fixing the health care bill. They wanted Americans to hate it as much as possible so they'd have a chance at winning elections.

If both parties were honestly working to improve upon the bill instead of one trying to destroy it the fixes would not be that complicated.

Oborosen said:

Unfortunately, I think its a problem they created when all the acting like children crying in the isle of wal-mart crap happened. The Rep's are not really willing to let them get more then their foot in the door right now, and to a point I can see why.

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And why is that?

But the stalemate will have to come to an end soon. The worst part though is all of the stuff that is going on just to hinder the current presidency, like they have something to prove, and then they keep throwing mud with no real effect.

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Hindering the effort to kick 23 million people off insurance? Yeah. They're doing that alright. And hindering the effort to spend hundreds of billions on an ineffective wall. Guilty.

Deuce said:

And why is that?



Hindering the effort to kick 23 million people off insurance? Yeah. They're doing that alright. And hindering the effort to spend hundreds of billions on an ineffective wall. Guilty.

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Well seeing as the Dems have been acting in mass, in the exact same or worse ways that people claim Trump is acting, would be my first guest. Plenty of them right now are using their own tax payers to foot the bill for their personal war on Trump, as well as their little luxury stops along the way. Hell De Blasio, left his city (NY) just so he could to the G20 summit in Germany, and bash Trump. Ignoring that he was expected by his own police force to show support in the recent assassination of one of their own. Even going so far as to make sure no one knew he was going, up until the moment he was on the tarmac.

And that is just one instance. Over a million dollars, wasted so someone can have the chance to blast Trump on a wide stage, and he didn't even bring up anything relevant at all. That is the current behavior that the Dems are showing across the board.

So 25 million losing health care, and then being able to easily get it back is a problem for you? I have seen the reports, woman saying that they will have to go to Mexico for birth control. They can be idiotic if they want, but I gotta warn them. The mortality rate is rather high despite how much the government attempts to fluff the numbers. That, and the prospect of all the other horrible **** that can happen to you down there, that Dems tell us just doesn't exist.. yeah I would rather live in Atlanta with the rampant drugs, gun violence, and crime.

Then again when ACA (Obamacare) hit, and plenty of former servicemen like myself got taxed beyond belief, many of us losing our livelihoods. Not to mention the damage its doing to small business owners.
Hell a vast majority of us were getting premium increases that we would never agree to "EVER", and just paid the fine at the end of the year to not deal with it. Which still ended up screwing us over.

My mother went from paying around 450$ a month, to nearly 700$ a month. Is that reasonable to you?

And she was one of many.

American said:

Conservatives revolt over talk of keeping ObamaCare tax | TheHill


Again they are ****ing up and not keeping their promises. Every other time before this and prior to Trump's election they voted for a full repeal. In fact that was part of the whole Tea Party movement. That's why they don't have Rand Paul onboard, and McConnell the beltway Republican is now talking about cooperating with the Dems.

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Republicans can't afford to lose more than two votes and some moderate Republicans don't believe in uninsuring tens of millions of people to pay for tax cuts for the rich. However if they propose a more moderate bill they will lose conservatives who are far greater in number. The only option is a bipartisan comprise that keeps most of Obamacare and does more to cut costs. But democrats can be very partisan too so I don't think they will get that many votes. The best thing that can be done is get something moderates can barely agree to and then convince conservatives it is a start and is better than nothing.

Cigar said:

I was really hoping that The Republicans could have gotten their **** together by now, but they can't even walk and chew gum.

The Democrats should just sit back and let Trump-B-Trump and watch the Republicans line up on their knees in front of him.

They've had years to come up with a better idea and they haven't.

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There is no better idea if the idea involves government management of health insurance. The republicans are doing the right thing without even realizing it.