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Trump Endorses Repeal-First Strategy if Health Care Deal Not Reached

Unitedwestand13 said:
Republicans want the law to fail; that is their entire purpose.

And if you want democrats to be on board there are two preconditions: drop the repeal attempts, and drop the cuts to Medicaid.
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You are mistaken. They don't want the law to fail or they wouldn't be putting efforts into amending parts of it.
 
NIMBY said:
Price refuses to do as the law allows, purposely sabotaging America .
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In case you missed Sebellius wasn't exactly leading the charge to enforce the mandate either. Its not new.
 
NIMBY said:
Doing nothing as the party in charge, intentionally destabilizing America with GOP sabotage, will not be lost on trump's birther base next year.

With still over 16 months until elections, GOP lawmakers are getting primaried from all directions, let alone a huge increase in DEM challengers compared to past cycles .
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Intentionally destabilizing? The law is doing that, sir. Not lawmakers that want to make changes but are getting no cooperation. Besides that, they didn't pass the damned thing, did they?
 
yankintx said:
The Dems need to go negative, tie the GOP candidate to Trump, it seems to have created a large swing in GA. As for Pelosi, not a big fan of her CA brand of liberalism, the Dems need to shake things up, some young blood from the heartland would appeal to some of those who felt forced to vote for a bad choice. Some old timers need to let the younger members have their turn.
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I'm not sure the swing went the way you imagined. Trump barely edged out Hillary in that district and the gap increased in Republican's favor.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Intentionally destabilizing? The law is doing that, sir.
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No, it isn't. Prior to Trump's attempts to topple them, the markets had stabilized. All the financial indicators had improved markedly in the past year or so--until Trump began threatening to (1) defund the CSRs, and (2) end enforcement of the individual mandate. His actions have been driving up premiums for 2018 and, in some cases, driving insurers out of markets.

We've seen it in North Carolina, we've seen it in Pennsylvania, we've seen it in Ohio.

Now today, BCBS of Tennessee has laid it out for us:

Key Takeaways

  • Our 2017 rates are allowing us to earn a margin (profit) for the first time in four years and would have enabled us to propose only a small increase for 2018 to cover expected changes in medical and operating costs.
  • However, we have to factor in two significant uncertainties – whether the federal government will fund cost-sharing reductions for low-income members and how the risk pool will change if the coverage mandate is not enforced.
  • We are requesting state approval for an average rate increase of 21 percent, but what members pay will vary based on their region, age, income level and plan type.
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How federal uncertainties are affecting 2018 rates

Medical costs continue to rise, and we’re facing additional taxes for this line of business, but our experience so far in 2017 means we would have only needed a small average rate increase.

However, we have to account for two significant uncertainties at the federal level:

  • Whether the federal government will guarantee funding for the cost-sharing reduction (CSR) program
  • How the risk pool might change if the individual coverage mandate isn’t enforced

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Greenbeard said:
No, it isn't. Prior to Trump's attempts to topple them, the markets had stabilized. All the financial indicators had improved markedly in the past year or so--until Trump began threatening to (1) defund the CSRs, and (2) end enforcement of the individual mandate. His actions have been driving up premiums for 2018 and, in some cases, driving insurers out of markets.

We've seen it in North Carolina, we've seen it in Pennsylvania, we've seen it in Ohio.

Now today, BCBS of Tennessee has laid it out for us:
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To say nothing of the multiple insurers leaving the marketplace in NY and California....hey, wait a minute!
 
cuban smokes said:
Trump Endorses Repeal-First Strategy if Health Care Deal Not Reached

Trump Endorses Repeal-First Strategy if Health Care Deal Not Reached - NBC News


WASHINGTON — As Senate negotiations continue over the stalled Republican health care bill, President Donald Trump Friday morning called on senators to pass a simple repeal of Obamacare now and focus on replacing it later this year if no deal is reached.

Trump's tweet came just after Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., sent a letter to the White House urging the president to support a repeal-first, replace-later strategy if there is no agreement by the time senators return from their week-long Fourth of July recess on July 10.

The idea has been floated by some Republicans since a planned Senate vote on the GOP Better Care Reconciliation Act was postponed Tuesday because leaders were unable to secure the 50 GOP votes needed to pass it.

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Looks like the GOP leadership is as lame as it gets; maybe some Viagra for you jerk offs?

Two FAILED attempts at screwing Americans on health care by the Greedy Old Phucks

We REALLY DO have a complete bastard of a bitch as POTUS

Donald Duck would have been a better POTUS than the crap we have right now ................. God help US all ............
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At least he is half way there. Repeal without replace is just around the corner. It is what the republicans in congress promised in their campaigns.
 
Nap said:
I'm not sure the swing went the way you imagined. Trump barely edged out Hillary in that district and the gap increased in Republican's favor.
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That would depend entirely on what set of numbers one looks at for analysis.
 
cuban smokes said:
Trump Endorses Repeal-First Strategy if Health Care Deal Not Reached

Trump Endorses Repeal-First Strategy if Health Care Deal Not Reached - NBC News


WASHINGTON — As Senate negotiations continue over the stalled Republican health care bill, President Donald Trump Friday morning called on senators to pass a simple repeal of Obamacare now and focus on replacing it later this year if no deal is reached.

Trump's tweet came just after Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., sent a letter to the White House urging the president to support a repeal-first, replace-later strategy if there is no agreement by the time senators return from their week-long Fourth of July recess on July 10.

The idea has been floated by some Republicans since a planned Senate vote on the GOP Better Care Reconciliation Act was postponed Tuesday because leaders were unable to secure the 50 GOP votes needed to pass it.

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Looks like the GOP leadership is as lame as it gets; maybe some Viagra for you jerk offs?

Two FAILED attempts at screwing Americans on health care by the Greedy Old Phucks

We REALLY DO have a complete bastard of a bitch as POTUS

Donald Duck would have been a better POTUS than the crap we have right now ................. God help US all ............
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I love watching you fish out of water flailing around like wild rabid dogs. You must be really worried that this could actually happen. However, it is just a bluff on Trump's part to scare the Republicans into actually passing their plan. Even Trump knows that the Republicans couldn't even agree on a total repeal with no replace. It's also a negotiating ploy in that the public and Democrats might prefer 22 million not having insurance anymore to zero not having insurance. Haha. Of course anyone with a lick of common sense would know that even if Obamacare was completely repealed most would still have insurance anyway but of course the rabid left would try to convince everyone that no one would have insurance anymore.
 
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Moderate Right said:
I love watching you fish out of water flailing around like wild rabid dogs. You must be really worried that this could actually happen. However, it is just a bluff on Trump's part to scare the Republicans into actually passing their plan. Even Trump knows that the Republicans couldn't even agree on a total repeal with no replace. It's also a negotiating ploy in that the public and Democrats might prefer 22 million not having insurance anymore to zero not having insurance. Haha. Of course anyone with a lick of common sense would know that even if Obamacare was completely repealed most would still have insurance anyway but of course the rabid left would try to convince everyone that no one would have insurance anymore.
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Actually it's even more telling that folks like you think it's funny to play with people's healthcare and lives. Really sick there but I've stopped being surprised by the lying "moderate" righties.
 
OpportunityCost said:
To say nothing of the multiple insurers leaving the marketplace in NY and California....hey, wait a minute!
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California let its insurers file two sets of rates: the Trump (read: higher) rates and the rates for if Trump drops his threats and allows the markets to work normally. So they're covered either way.
 
Repeal without replace is political suicide for GOPs. GOPs need to stop conflating issues: the free market system and healthcare.

What, is the GOP planning to next tinker with Social Security using free market principles?

DUH. DON'T REPEAL ACA WITHOUT REPLACE.
 
Praxas said:
Actually it's even more telling that folks like you think it's funny to play with people's healthcare and lives. Really sick there but I've stopped being surprised by the lying "moderate" righties.
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It's really funny that you guys think it is funny for Obamacare to destroy people's lives. It is in a death spiral and you guys on one hand deny it is in a death spiral while on the other hand claiming it is Republican's fault that it is in a death spiral.
 
Moderate Right said:
It's really funny that you guys think it is funny for Obamacare to destroy people's lives. It is in a death spiral and you guys on one hand deny it is in a death spiral while on the other hand claiming it is Republican's fault that it is in a death spiral.
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Do you believe everything that you think?

Your comment is nonsense. You've been reading too many Trump Tweets.
 
Moderate Right said:
It's really funny that you guys think it is funny for Obamacare to destroy people's lives. It is in a death spiral and you guys on one hand deny it is in a death spiral while on the other hand claiming it is Republican's fault that it is in a death spiral.
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Obamacare is not in a death spiral that is a lie from the ***** grabber in chief because the GOP has done NOTHING to address healthcare and instead have focused on giving tax breaks for the wealthy. Again the lying "moderate" righties can only repeat lies. They care nothing about the poor or those with pre existing conditions. They are truly the scum of the earth.
 
yankintx said:
That would depend entirely on what set of numbers one looks at for analysis.
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If the point was to tie Handle to Trump and use the election as a referendum on him, would you not use the set of numbers that have a direct correlation?

Trump barely beat Hillary in that district by 1.5 points. In a heavy Republican district that shows how much dislike they had for Trump that they either didn't vote or worse voted Hillary. This was the whole reason that Democrats poured in millions of dollars in this race.
 
Removable Mind said:
Do you believe everything that you think?

Your comment is nonsense. You've been reading too many Trump Tweets.
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I lived it. After having two years of the "Affordable Care Act" my stay at home wife had to go out and find a full time job with health insurance because we couldn't afford Obamacare anymore. Do you believe everything that you think?
 
Praxas said:
Obamacare is not in a death spiral that is a lie from the ***** grabber in chief because the GOP has done NOTHING to address healthcare and instead have focused on giving tax breaks for the wealthy. Again the lying "moderate" righties can only repeat lies. They care nothing about the poor or those with pre existing conditions. They are truly the scum of the earth.
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Then why do Democrats themselves admit that Obamacare needs a lot of fixing? Why do Democrats themselves claim that Republicans are responsible for the failures of Obamacare? Why are we hearing news stories that many counties are down to only one insurer? Why are we hearing stories that some places could be facing zero insurers? Why do we keep on hearing stories that the market is unstable and prices are rising through the roof, with many places facing 50% or higher premium increases this year after several years of already exponentially rising premiums?
 
Greenbeard said:
California let its insurers file two sets of rates: the Trump (read: higher) rates and the rates for if Trump drops his threats and allows the markets to work normally. So they're covered either way.
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Have fun with your fraud charges. You don't get to keep 2 sets of books, one for the fed and one for the state.
 
Moderate Right said:
I lived it. After having two years of the "Affordable Care Act" my stay at home wife had to go out and find a full time job with health insurance because we couldn't afford Obamacare anymore. Do you believe everything that you think?
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If Obamacare is the only thing that causes one to abandon being a homemaker in order to get employment outside the home for the purpose of ensuring that the family healthcare insurance is sustainable, it gives the appearance that there was an existing personal finances situation that was already fragile.

There are millions of the working poor families who no matter how much they work they'll never be able to afford healthcare insurance.
 
Removable Mind said:
If Obamacare is the only thing that causes one to abandon being a homemaker in order to get employment outside the home for the purpose of ensuring that the family healthcare insurance is sustainable, it gives the appearance that there was an existing personal finances situation that was already fragile.

There are millions of the working poor families who no matter how much they work they'll never be able to afford healthcare insurance.
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We were getting by just fine with my wife being a stay at home mom until two years of steep Obamacare insurance premium rises. And that was a few years ago. Premiums now are about double what were were paying back then. The middle class has been overlooked under Obamacare because we have to pay 100% of the premiums because we weren't getting any subsidies. The left refuses to acknowledge the huge increases in premiums because all they care about are the people who are getting subsidies and we can always increase subsidies when premiums rise, right? Wrong. Screw the middle class, just like all other liberal policies do.
 
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moderate right said:
we were getting by just fine with my wife being a stay at home mom until two years of steep obamacare insurance premium rises. And that was a few years ago. Premiums now are about double what were were paying back then. The middle class has been overlooked under obamacare because we have to pay 100% of the premiums because we weren't getting any subsidies. The left refuses to acknowledge the huge increases in premiums because all they care about are the people who are getting subsidies and we can always increase subsidies when premiums rise, right? Wrong. Screw the middle class, just like all other liberal policies.
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Removable Mind said:
If Obamacare is the only thing that causes one to abandon being a homemaker in order to get employment outside the home for the purpose of ensuring that the family healthcare insurance is sustainable, it gives the appearance that there was an existing personal finances situation that was already fragile.

There are millions of the working poor families who no matter how much they work they'll never be able to afford healthcare insurance.
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There are actually two parts of Obamacare that are in question. There is the Medicaid part that is insuring about 40% of the population, including a lot of children and elderly people in nursing homes. That part is doing just fine right now, but it won't be if the Republicans succeed in rolling back and defunding it's expansion. The part that's in trouble is the marketplace for people who aren't eligible for medicaid. It was having trouble before Trump got into office. Since then things have gotten worse because the Trump administration has been talking about reducing the subsidies for it. The logical thing to do would be to leave medicaid alone and working on actually fixing the marketplace. That's what Democrats want to do. If Republicans would come on board with that, I think the Democrats might be open to letting the Republicans define the marketplace as "Obamacare", and claim that they're repealing it. Everybody wins. Not going to happen, of course, but a girl can dream.;)
 
bearpoker said:
There are actually two parts of Obamacare that are in question. There is the Medicaid part that is insuring about 40% of the population, including a lot of children and elderly people in nursing homes. That part is doing just fine right now, but it won't be if the Republicans succeed in rolling back and defunding it's expansion. The part that's in trouble is the marketplace for people who aren't eligible for medicaid. It was having trouble before Trump got into office. Since then things have gotten worse because the Trump administration has been talking about reducing the subsidies for it. The logical thing to do would be to leave medicaid alone and working on actually fixing the marketplace. That's what Democrats want to do. If Republicans would come on board with that, I think the Democrats might be open to letting the Republicans define the marketplace as "Obamacare", and claim that they're repealing it. Everybody wins. Not going to happen, of course, but a girl can dream.;)
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Thank for making the Obamacare issue much more understandable for those who might have trouble mustering up and employing a wee bit of critical thinking.
 
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