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Trump Hits Obama Over Russian Bombshell

Mycroft said:
Since nothing happened, the appropriate action from Obama would have been to do nothing. However, since he's the one who said something happened, he should have done something...instead of nothing. He can't have it both ways. What's appropriate is up to him.

I'm not upset about a Democrat trying to help a Democrat. I'm upset about a Democrat using the power and resources of the Executive Branch to help a Democrat. That's against the law and should be investigated.

No...I'm not new to this.
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Trump can't have it both ways either. If it didn't happen, there's nothing to respond to.

Also, Obama did impose sanctions (which Trump tried to get reversed). Should he have started a nuclear war? What do you think would be The appropriate response?
 
justabubba said:
let's think about that
the election is pending
and Obama comes out and tells the nation the russians are trying to manipulate our national election to make sure hillary loses
and you want us to now believe your side would have thought: what a great disclosure by Obama to assure a fair election
you now want us to believe that the alt:white would have been ok with Obama making such a public disclosure immediately prior to the presidential election
not even you could actually believe that to be a valid criticism of Obama
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The Obama administration knew about Russian meddling clear back in 2016 before the primary was even over and months before Trump was nominated. Well over a year before election day. He should have come out and said something at that time and retaliated. But instead he waited until after the election to slap Russia on the wrist with some minor sanctions and throw out a handful of diplomats. That on a bad day makes no sense.
 
rocket88 said:
Trump can't have it both ways either. If it didn't happen, there's nothing to respond to.

Also, Obama did impose sanctions (which Trump tried to get reversed). Should he have started a nuclear war? What do you think would be The appropriate response?
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1. Since the media keeps trying to make a big deal over something that didn't happen and something that Obama did nothing meaningful about, Trump HAS to respond. He does so by turning that bunch of nothing back on Obama.

2. Those "sanctions" were meaningless...same for expelling a bunch of nobodies back to Russia. It was all for show. And Trump didn't try to stop any sanctions...even though the GOP Elites in the Senate made their useless showboat vote on a bill that's going nowhere.

3. As I said...Obama should have done nothing. Heck, he shouldn't have gotten himself in the position of having to do anything...except he thought that was worthwhile. He thought using his Executive Branch for political purposes would get Hillary elected (she lost), would get the courts and Electoral College to invalidate Trump's win (he still won) and now Obama's out...but the crap he left behind is fueling the left wing witch hunt (that's going to fail, as well).

4. That crap Obama left behind very well may get him or his cronies landed in criminal court...if not in jail.
 
calamity said:
Good. Then the full-on Republican crazy will be exposed, and then we can all vote on that instead of this crap hand that Trump is playing.
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the current amount of 'full-on republican crazy' is insufficient for you?
no thanks
tRump, is awful
pence would be even worse
 
Mycroft said:
No...collusion didn't happen. And yes...if there WAS any hacking or election interference by the Russians (even though everyone wants to believe that ridiculous "intel community report, rational minds don't accept it at face value...especially considering it came from the Obama administration) it happened long before Trump won the election. So yeah...why DIDN'T Obama do something about it?

Now...That WaPo report was full of after-the-fact rationalization and explanation that all boils down to Obama wanting to help Hillary. Seems to me THAT'S the real collusion we need to be investigating.

btw, people seem to want to deflect from Obama's lack of action by question Trump's "lack of action". Fact is, it's likely that there is nothing for Trump to act on, since this whole "Russia" thing is a fabrication.
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for post like this there really needs to be a DISLIKE option ...............
 
calamity said:
It's going to be great when Trump resigns or gets impeached.
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****, I would be happy if Trump could just stay on one side of one issue, and stop waffling, trying to have it both ways

I mean Hell, if all of this were about sex at least Trump would be bisexual ........... at least then something would makes sense about his craziness ................
 
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cuban smokes said:
for post like this there really needs to be a DISLIKE option ...............
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Sure...if you don't have the words, reasoning or thoughts that will dispute what you read, you could just click dislike and leave it at that.
 
Mycroft said:
Sure...if you don't have the words, reasoning or thoughts that will dispute what you read, you could just click dislike and leave it at that.
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much quicker than a looooong explanation to a post one disagrees with :)
 
Mycroft said:
1. Since the media keeps trying to make a big deal over something that didn't happen and something that Obama did nothing meaningful about, Trump HAS to respond. He does so by turning that bunch of nothing back on Obama.

2. Those "sanctions" were meaningless...same for expelling a bunch of nobodies back to Russia. It was all for show. And Trump didn't try to stop any sanctions...even though the GOP Elites in the Senate made their useless showboat vote on a bill that's going nowhere.

3. As I said...Obama should have done nothing. Heck, he shouldn't have gotten himself in the position of having to do anything...except he thought that was worthwhile. He thought using his Executive Branch for political purposes would get Hillary elected (she lost), would get the courts and Electoral College to invalidate Trump's win (he still won) and now Obama's out...but the crap he left behind is fueling the left wing witch hunt (that's going to fail, as well).

4. That crap Obama left behind very well may get him or his cronies landed in criminal court...if not in jail.
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So it's all "but Obama.." crap. Trump is President now. You won, get over it.

You have no real proof if actual crimes being committed. Lets have The same standard for Obama that you want for Trump. Evidence. Lets see it. Also by your rules, no unnamed sources, no partisan blogs.

You are the one trying to change the subject here. The question is quite simple. Did Russia interfere, and if so what is the appropriate response. Since you say there was no interference, I put forth that the appropriate response to nothing is nothing.
 
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rocket88 said:
So it's all "but Obama.." crap. Trump is President now. You won, get over it.

You have no real proof if actual crimes being committed. Lets have The same standard for Obama that you want for Trump. Evidence. Lets see it. Also by your rules, no unnamed sources, no partisan blogs.

You are the one trying to change the subject here. The question is quite simple. Did Russia interfere, and if so what is the appropriate response. Since you say there was no interference, I put forth that the appropriate response to nothing is nothing.
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There IS evidence.

Well, it'll take some doing to get at it since Obama's people sent it all to his archives. Won't stop anyone from getting it...just make it harder to get.

The thing is, Obama...the Mainstream media...the left...they all SAY there was interference...yet Obama did next to nothing about it. Here you go again...wanting it both ways. Won't work. Either defend his actions/inactions or contend there is nothing there.

Or...have you changed your mind about the whole Russian/Trump thing? Do YOU contend there is nothing there? Are you defending Obama for doing nothing by saying there was nothing to do?

You need to make up your mind and let everyone know, eh?
 
Trump collusion with Russia - no evidence.
Obama colluding with Hillary to win the election - that is no secret - he campaigned hard for her, and media went all in with it too. Go watch Jimmie Kimmel or whatever other programs Obama appeared on during the campaign for proof.
Russia hacking the US election and / or media and public opinion. People believe Hillary was a bad candidate and bad person, and people believed that Trump was an awful person. No amount of propaganda was going to change that, only entrench that belief.

Why do we still have to talk about that awful election? Nobody liked it then, nobody likes it now. We wish we had a better choice, but a choice was made and now its time to make the best of what we have. Can we not re-hash bad times?
 
boredatwork said:
Trump collusion with Russia - no evidence.
Obama colluding with Hillary to win the election - that is no secret - he campaigned hard for her, and media went all in with it too. Go watch Jimmie Kimmel or whatever other programs Obama appeared on during the campaign for proof.
Russia hacking the US election and / or media and public opinion. People believe Hillary was a bad candidate and bad person, and people believed that Trump was an awful person. No amount of propaganda was going to change that, only entrench that belief.

Why do we still have to talk about that awful election? Nobody liked it then, nobody likes it now. We wish we had a better choice, but a choice was made and now its time to make the best of what we have. Can we not re-hash bad times?
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Yeah, Obama campaigned for Hillary. Evil!
 
Mycroft said:
There IS evidence.

Well, it'll take some doing to get at it since Obama's people sent it all to his archives. Won't stop anyone from getting it...just make it harder to get.

The thing is, Obama...the Mainstream media...the left...they all SAY there was interference...yet Obama did next to nothing about it. Here you go again...wanting it both ways. Won't work. Either defend his actions/inactions or contend there is nothing there.

Or...have you changed your mind about the whole Russian/Trump thing? Do YOU contend there is nothing there? Are you defending Obama for doing nothing by saying there was nothing to do?

You need to make up your mind and let everyone know, eh?
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I didn't think there was any collusion, except that they seem to be trying awfully hard to cover something up. I don't think there were many good actions for Obama outside of what he actually did. It was a reasonable response.

So what do YOU think Obama should have done? Given that you think The whole thing is a hoax?
 
Taylor said:
Anything to keep the Russia ball rolling. If that goes away, the party of no ideas will have to go back to whining about golf, ice cream, and Mar-a-Lago.
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Don't forget racism.
 
Absentglare said:
Poor President Trump, such a victim, President Obama didn't do President Trump's job.
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Just curious. I can understand that the now President Trump needs to get to the bottom of the Russian mess and do something.
But......... all of the alleged hacking/interference happened when Trump was a candidate and Obama was President.

Your comment of "President Obama didn't do President Trump's job" makes no sense. One was a President (Obama) and one was just a candidate (Trump). Maybe you should be asking why Hilary didn't do Obama's job. Or maybe she was...:lamo
 
rocket88 said:
I didn't think there was any collusion, except that they seem to be trying awfully hard to cover something up. I don't think there were many good actions for Obama outside of what he actually did. It was a reasonable response.

So what do YOU think Obama should have done? Given that you think The whole thing is a hoax?
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sigh...

How many times are you going to ask me that question...after I've already answered it? Do you think my answer will change?

Anyway, seems a lot of people...Democrats included...disagree with you and think Obama either should have done more, was posturing, that is, acting like he was doing something...but wasn't or that there really wasn't anything he could or should have done since the Russians really didn't do anything.

I think it was all just a political stunt.

btw, what makes you think Trump is trying to cover something up? Or do you think someone else is try to cover something up? Obama maybe?
 
Mycroft said:
sigh...

How many times are you going to ask me that question...after I've already answered it? Do you think my answer will change?

Anyway, seems a lot of people...Democrats included...disagree with you and think Obama either should have done more, was posturing, that is, acting like he was doing something...but wasn't or that there really wasn't anything he could or should have done since the Russians really didn't do anything.

I think it was all just a political stunt.

btw, what makes you think Trump is trying to cover something up? Or do you think someone else is try to cover something up? Obama maybe?
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Yes I know, your answer is that Obama needed to do more about the interference that didn't happen.

I care not what Democrats think. They are only slightly less useless than Trumpbots.
 
Mycroft said:
sigh...

How many times are you going to ask me that question...after I've already answered it? Do you think my answer will change?

Anyway, seems a lot of people...Democrats included...disagree with you and think Obama either should have done more, was posturing, that is, acting like he was doing something...but wasn't or that there really wasn't anything he could or should have done since the Russians really didn't do anything.

I think it was all just a political stunt.

btw, what makes you think Trump is trying to cover something up? Or do you think someone else is try to cover something up? Obama maybe?
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Trump of course fired the people investigating him. I guess that's also Obama's fault.
 
rocket88 said:
Yes I know, your answer is that Obama needed to do more about the interference that didn't happen.

I care not what Democrats think. They are only slightly less useless than Trumpbots.
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shrug...

You can care about whatever you want.

But you mischaracterize my answer...again. Since OBAMA said something happened he is incumbent to do what is necessary...and the piddly stuff he did...wasn't. But we know why, don't we?
 
rocket88 said:
Trump of course fired the people investigating him. I guess that's also Obama's fault.
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Trump didn't fire the people investigating him. If he did, there would be no more investigation. For sure, he didn't fire any Congressmen.

Why do you insist on saying stuff that isn't true? Is it because that's what the Mainstream Media keeps telling you?
 
mike2810 said:
Just curious. I can understand that the now President Trump needs to get to the bottom of the Russian mess and do something.
But......... all of the alleged hacking/interference happened when Trump was a candidate and Obama was President.

Your comment of "President Obama didn't do President Trump's job" makes no sense. One was a President (Obama) and one was just a candidate (Trump). Maybe you should be asking why Hilary didn't do Obama's job. Or maybe she was...:lamo
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Whatever President Trump is whining about President Obama not doing anything is at least as bad as the not doing anything that CURRENT President Trump is doing, right now.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

You can care about whatever you want.

But you mischaracterize my answer...again. Since OBAMA said something happened he is incumbent to do what is necessary...and the piddly stuff he did...wasn't. But we know why, don't we?
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So it was incumbent on Obama to respond to nothing. The ultimate in "but....Obaaaaaamaaaa" excuses.
 
Mycroft said:
Trump didn't fire the people investigating him. If he did, there would be no more investigation. For sure, he didn't fire any Congressmen.

Why do you insist on saying stuff that isn't true? Is it because that's what the Mainstream Media keeps telling you?
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Yes, I believe Trump fired Comey because the mainstream media said it. Are you saying he didn't? I'm beginning to question your grasp on reality.

As far as Congress goes, there is a political party that could stop the investigation because they control Congress. 3 guesses as to which one it is.
 
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