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minnie616 said:
I just thought it was good news that people were up to warn others . The Muslims happened to be up because they were celebrating a religious holiday. If it had been group of Jewish people celebrating a Jewish holiday or a group of Chinese people up celebrating the Chinese New Year , I would have been just as thankful that some people were up and warned their neighbors of the fire.
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Fair enough.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Actually, trying to point out that "some of them" were Muslims is about the same as saying "some of them were Christians," or "some of them were White." They were ALL good people helping their neighbors.

Trying to give extra notice and special praise to certain members of a crowd all of whom are acting as one to help other people in need for political talking points diminishes the efforts of all those other good samaritans, IMO.

Just saying
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The difference being that out of all the groups you refer to with "some of", only one such group has been subject to group-blame from major elements in Western societies lately, one such society in particular....




OlNate said:
Or, maybe there's such an issue with Islamophobic asshats over there (and abroad) that folks feel that it's important to provide some examples of these folks being decent to counter the steady stream of hate filled rhetoric from right leaning rags that go out of their way to demonize them... Possibly....
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Indeed.

Now, maybe one considers it not in the best taste to use this tragedy to point out something positive about muslims (and that may not necessarily be what the OP was doing), but, there is at least a half-decent reason to do it.
 
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coldjoint said:
No I don't. My posts are about Islam not individual Muslims, if you can't be honest about that it is not my problem. Perpetuating a lie solves nothing.
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Gee bud, and what are Muslims again? I'll give a hint---they make up the broad group you hate so much called "Islam."

Yes, and yet you perpetuate a multitude of lies every day. Clearly you don't seem bothered by that solving nothing.
 
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coldjoint said:
What questions? That is not a question as much as an accusation. I never said one thing about them terrorizing anyone. You believe your own lies and they are now catching up to you.
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You went on a tangent about me supposedly not thinking "terror" should be fought with force when I yet again condemned your support of terrorism against innocent Muslims. Who were those Muslims "terrorizing"?

It's about time you stopped hiding.
 
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faithful_servant said:
Would this have been story had it been "Christians up early for prayer save lives."??
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Yes, and if Jewish people were up celebrating a Jewish holiday and if a group of Chinese people were up up late celebrating the Chinese New Year. It is good news ...With no fire alarms and no sprinklers it was good people were up late and that they acted to save their neighbors.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Once again, your own words make it clear that's a lie.

Gee buddy, what do you think happens when you take away a religion and the people who actually believe in a god away from a religion? You get the people who don't believe in God---and who wouldn't therefore be actual adherents of that religion.

So even your fantasy doesn't hold water.

Blind hatred as in your case is exactly the problem with this country.
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I dont hate anyone and you still havent answered my question.
I suspect its because youre overly emotional right now and may need a time out.
Let me know when youve calmed down enough to have a adult conversation
 
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Fenton said:
I dont hate anyone and you still havent answered my question.
I suspect its because youre overly emotional right now and may need a time out.
Let me know when youve calmed down enough to have a adult conversation
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And, yet again, your own words make it clear that you are lying. If you are actually blind enough to claim you "don't hate anyone" after complaining because Muslims saved people from a fire, that's your problem.

I already answered your silly question of what happens when you take belief in God away from something whose whole point is belief in God.
 
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Human beings were awake early and did the right thing. Good for them.

Pathetic though that the news is trying to make this about Islam.

As usual.
 
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Northern Light said:
Human beings were awake early and did the right thing. Good for them.

Pathetic though that the news is trying to make this about Islam.

As usual.
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They just noted the reason they were up late.

If it were Jewish people up late celebrating a Jewish holiday or Chinese people up late celebrating the Chinese holiday , I would be thankful we're up late, smelled the smoke and a lettered their neighbors.

It's a good news story.

Lives were lost but it was fortunate were able to escape because people were up late , smelled the smoke ,and alerted their neighbors.
 
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Praxas said:
Love how you and the other anti-Muslims are quick to denounce anything Muslims do that's negative and broad brush them all with it, but can't even man up and give props when they do something good. Wow your anti-Muslim hatred really has you down the rabbit hole there.
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Oh look..........another hate/ Muslim hate accusation. :shock:

And, I pretty much keep my mouth shut about most things Muslim on here.

I made my views clear a long time ago on the subject.
 
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Fenton said:
Could NAZI's ever do something that would make them heroes in your book ?

Muslims and NAZIs have much in common. As a group theyre both intolerant, bigoted, discriminatory and anti-semitic.
Islam is also mysoginistic
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I will inform my Muslim friends that they are all Nazis. It will come as a shock to them.
 
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danarhea said:
The point is that it happened to be Muslims, who people accuse of being hateful. When the first article was posted about the London fire in this forum, it was only a couple of posts into that thread when someone asked if Muslims were shouting "Allahu Akhbar". What those Muslims did that day makes them heroes in my book, and not amount of hateful rhetoric is going to change that. But keep hating and making excuses if that is what floats your boat.
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I wasn't knocking Muslims. I was pointing out the ass kissing of the OP, who felt the need to point out a religion instead of individuals who tried to do a nice thing.

There is a big freaking difference.

Does the writer of the article point out how nice Protestants are when they sound the alarm about a fire.....................no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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coldjoint said:
No I don't. My posts are about Islam not individual Muslims
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The funniest thing about that is that you don't know why it's funny.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
I wasn't knocking Muslims. I was pointing out the ass kissing of the OP, who felt the need to point out a religion instead of individuals who tried to do a nice thing.

There is a big freaking difference.

Does the writer of the article point out how nice Protestants are when they sound the alarm about a fire.....................no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Protestants are not constantly called terrorists only because of what they believe in. There is a difference, and that difference is why their religion was mentioned.

Critical thinking is your friend. Use it.
 
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danarhea said:
Protestants are not constantly called terrorists only because of what they believe in. There is a difference, and that difference is why their religion was mentioned.

Critical thinking is your friend. Use it.
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Don't try lecturing me on critical thinking......you are not qualified.......not even close.

I don't give a **** about Muslims either way, and I certainly can ridicule a BS article if I want.

It was a kiss ass article written by a guilt ridden liberal who was reaching out to guilt ridden readers. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
I wasn't knocking Muslims. I was pointing out the ass kissing of the OP, who felt the need to point out a religion instead of individuals who tried to do a nice thing.

There is a big freaking difference.

Does the writer of the article point out how nice Protestants are when they sound the alarm about a fire.....................no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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funny, when terrorist attacks happen you have no problem pointing out the religion instead of the individual.
 
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zyzygy said:
The funniest thing about that is that you don't know why it's funny.
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I am not in denial. You are.
 
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Praxas said:
funny, when terrorist attacks happen you have no problem pointing out the religion instead of the individual.
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I certainly do. I also point out every other freaking religious nut job.

Do you think you are scoring points here?
 
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RetiredUSN said:
I certainly do. I also point out every other freaking religious nut job.

Do you think you are scoring points here?
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Just pointing out your hypocrisy that one instance you will point out religion and then bitch about someone else doing it on another.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
I wasn't knocking Muslims. I was pointing out the ass kissing of the OP, who felt the need to point out a religion instead of individuals who tried to do a nice thing.

There is a big freaking difference.

Does the writer of the article point out how nice Protestants are when they sound the alarm about a fire.....................no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was posting a good news story. I would have posted the article if was a group of Protestants who had been up late for a special occasion.

There was nothing [---]kissing about my OP....I happen to be a Christian , the article was pointing out the Muslims were up late celebrating a religious Hoilday....its that simple...Nothing more. Tragic 17 people( at last count that I an aware of ) lost their lives , butI am thankful that so many people made out due in part to the individuals who were up late and smelled the smoke.

This was supposed to be a good news post.

Sorry , it was spoiled because some misread my intentions.
 
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minnie616 said:
I was posting a good news story. I would have posted the article if was a group of Protestants who had been up late for a special occasion.

There was nothing [---]kissing about my OP....I happen to be a Christian , the article was pointing out the Muslims were up late celebrating a religious Hoilday....its that simple...Nothing more. Tragic 17 people( at last count that I an aware of ) lost their lives , butI am thankful that so made out due in part to the individuals who were up late and smelled the smoke.

This was supposed to be a good news post.

Sorry , it was spoiled because some misread my intentions.
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Some people just don't like good news if it happens to be about people they hate.
 
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Praxas said:
Just pointing out your hypocrisy that one instance you will point out religion and then bitch about someone else doing it on another.
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Come talk to me about bigotry when you truly understand the term.

You support & cheer others on here who bash certain Christians on the gay & abortion issues, and praise others who ass kiss Muslims who have a certain amount of their own killing gays and oppressing women.

A person could get drunk pretty fast on here if they tipped a beer every time you post.
 
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minnie616 said:
I was posting a good news story. I would have posted the article if was a group of Protestants who had been up late for a special occasion.

There was nothing [---]kissing about my OP....I happen to be a Christian , the article was pointing out the Muslims were up late celebrating a religious Hoilday....its that simple...Nothing more. Tragic 17 people( at last count that I an aware of ) lost their lives , butI am thankful that so many people made out due in part to the individuals who were up late and smelled the smoke.

This was supposed to be a good news post.

Sorry , it was spoiled because some misread my intentions.
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A good civilian Christian captured two prison escapee's in TN yesterday?

Did the liberal media point out there religion to make people feel all touchy feely?
 
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MTAtech said:
The point seems to be that because Muslims rise early to pray, they were the early detectors of the fire that saved people of all or no faith. Had the building been housing for lazy college students that rise at the crack of noon, they'd all perish.
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I thought I read somewhere that a lot of them were still up due to Ramadan and the summer time which meant they could only eat after just before 10 PM. You don't eat all your food and 2 prayers in just 2 hours so a lot of them were still up and awake when the fire started (meaning they could flee with their clothes on and wake some of their neighbors/help save their neighbors.
 
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