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Comey Associate Says He Turned over Memos to the FBI

chuckiechan said:
Well, I wonder if Mr. Law Professor knows what "chain of custody is?" And if he has the originals, as an officer of the court I doubt he had the right to publish them.
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Good point, which further shows just how much of a dog and pony show all of this is. The moment Comey gave evidence to Mr. Professor, was the moment any future criminal case became implausible, if not impossible.

But, hey. I've pretty much given up on the US Justice system.
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I have too chuckie, long ago.
 
truthatallcost said:
Good point, which further shows just how much of a dog and pony show all of this is. The moment Comey gave evidence to Mr. Professor, was the moment any future criminal case became implausible, if not impossible.



I have too chuckie, long ago.
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Can I third that?
 
truthatallcost said:
Good point, which further shows just how much of a dog and pony show all of this is. The moment Comey gave evidence to Mr. Professor, was the moment any future criminal case became implausible, if not impossible.



I have too chuckie, long ago.
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The only way to REALLY give up on the U.S. is to leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Maybe Trump will sell you a condo in Moscow.
 
Fenton said:
Lol ! They were still CREATED and after the fact and like their author have zero credibillity when it comes to a criminal obstruction trial.

Comey's interactions with Lynch where he bowed to pressure to characterize politically a FBI investigation as a " matter " were far worse than his comversation with Trump

So where are those memo's ? Comey is a hack, and has a few screws loose too.

Trump knew this and to his credit tweeted that Comey should consider the possibillity that their conversations were taped.

That changed everything because it kept Comey from exagerating his claims and misrepresenting Trump
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Trump has no tapes or if he does they would verify what Comey said. Otherwise he would release them. There are no other options. Now that Mueller is officially investigating Trump for obstruction he can shut up about "Not being investigated" too.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that the interviews represent a widening of the probe to include a query into whether the President obstructed justice in suggesting to his former FBI Director James Comey that he drop the investigation into Michael Flynn, Trump's former national security adviser, as well as for firing of Comey.
Law enforcement sources tell CNN that the special counsel is gathering information and considering whether there is evidence to launch a full-scale obstruction investigation.
The interviews are some of the first indications of the efforts of Mueller's newly assembled team. Ultimately, it would be up to Mueller to decide whether there is enough evidence to recommend pursuing charges on any part of the investigation.
Hill Russia investigators plow forward, Mueller meetings on horizon
Hill Russia investigators plow forward, Mueller meetings on horizon
Any finding that could arise against the President would have another hurdle -- a longstanding Justice Department stance against indicting a sitting president. However, a finding of wrongdoing would likely be left to Congress to consider whether it warranted criminal impeachment.
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Source: Special counsel investigators will soon speak to senior intelligence officials - CNNPolitics.com
 
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Fenton said:
Lol ! They were still CREATED and after the fact and like their author have zero credibillity when it comes to a criminal obstruction trial.

Comey's interactions with Lynch where he bowed to pressure to characterize politically a FBI investigation as a " matter " were far worse than his comversation with Trump

So where are those memo's ? Comey is a hack, and has a few screws loose too.

Trump knew this and to his credit tweeted that Comey should consider the possibillity that their conversations were taped.

That changed everything because it kept Comey from exagerating his claims and misrepresenting Trump
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Your post wins an award for managing to make every sentence be completely unaware of the existence of every other sentence in it.
 
chuckiechan said:
Well, I wonder if Mr. Law Professor knows what "chain of custody is?" And if he has the originals, as an officer of the court I doubt he had the right to publish them.

But, hey. I've pretty much given up on the US Justice system.
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First of all, this was almost surely a personal copy, so why what chain of command issues are implicated here?

Second, Comey handed him the memo, and told him to get it into the public. What law says he cannot do that since he was ASKED by Comey to do exactly that? And I don't know what 'original' or copy has to do with anything - the publishing of some of the content of the memo that NYT obtained by the lawyer reading the passages over the phone doesn't destroy the original or a copy... Or, the lawyer could make a copy of the original, and hand that copy over, which leaves the original intact!
 
truthatallcost said:
Good point, which further shows just how much of a dog and pony show all of this is. The moment Comey gave evidence to Mr. Professor, was the moment any future criminal case became implausible, if not impossible.

I have too chuckie, long ago.
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That makes no sense at all. The odds of the 'memo' Comey gave to the lawyer being a personal copy, with the original or executed/signed copies being in the FBI files approaches 100%. Why does the existence of a copy, or other people seeing and knowing the contents of that memo, cause a prosecution to be potentially impossible?
 
JasperL said:
I've been around long enough to recognize one of your infamous ratholes, and I'll pass on being drug into it. Those interested can review previous posts or not. I'll end it here.
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If there is a rat-hole, it is of your own making with your absurd ignorant replies.


You do not get to make up an assertion that isn't true without being challenged.
Doing that was all on you.

At no point did Trump say there were tapes. say there were tap[es.
He said Comey better hope there were none before he started leaking.

Again.
He said Comey better hope there are no tapes of their conversations before he started leaking.

That is a cautionary comment to prevent Comey from making more things up.​

Deflecting from the reality of the above as you did, is asinine.


JasperL said:
No one can change your mind about whether or not Comey is credible, but that's some grade A horse crap right there - completely illogical. :roll:
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Your reply is illogical to what you quoted.
Thank you for showing everybody that illogic.


JasperL said:
That makes no sense at all. The odds of the 'memo' Comey gave to the lawyer being a personal copy, with the original or executed/signed copies being in the FBI files approaches 100%. Why does the existence of a copy, or other people seeing and knowing the contents of that memo, cause a prosecution to be potentially impossible?
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You do not need to turn over copies if the FBI has the Originals.


But as you said, you do not want to go down the rat-hole (of your own creation) so I expect no further reply from you.
 
JANFU said:
The memos would be typed on a secured device- next they were not classified - next what type of leak are you referring to? Was it illegal??
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That is your assumption, now please prove it.
Had those notes been made on his secured work device, there would be no reason for him to turn them over to the FBI which was recently done, you know, after he was fired.
Had he thought Trump was actually trying to obstruct the investigation into Flynn he was required to actually report it which would leave an Official paper trail. Where is it? ... of which those memos would have been part of the official investigation
Classified? Doesn't matter to my argument. Those supposed memos belong to the FBI. He still leaked them. Then we have the possibility that they were indeed privileged communications (but that would need to be litigated).


Part of an investigation? Classified. Since there was no investigation brought about by the memos, he didn't really think Trump was trying to influence/or obstruct the Flynn investigation.


Really, nothing you have argued is relevant to what I said.
As he has established himself as a leaker, there is no reason to trust what he says in any notes he supposedly took.




finebead said:
Comey stated under oath that he discussed to contents of the memo's with his leadership team the day after he wrote them to get their input on how to proceed. He named 6 high level FBI officials in the meeting, who I am sure will all testify they were written on the dates stamped on them. That is going to stand up.
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Okay? Where is the Official record of his doing so?




MTAtech said:
According to Trump, Trump fired Comey because of the Russian investigation, which Trump wanted shut down.
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Your reply here is deliberately dishonesty.
That is not what Trump relayed.




iguanaman said:
Trump has no tapes or if he does they would verify what Comey said.
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And? He never said he had tapes.

He said Comey better hope there are no tapes of their conversations before he started leaking.
Which is different than telling Comey he had tapes so should think twice before leaking.


iguanaman said:
Now that Mueller is officially investigating Trump for obstruction he can shut up about "Not being investigated" too.
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iLOL
1. Reports based on anonymous sources does not mean he is actually Officially being investigated. Even your provided report says information is being gathered to determine of there will be a full scale investigation. 1a. Mueller is most likely obligated to look at what Comey and Trump have both said said and will make a determination of whether or not to investigate based on that.

2. Even if it ends up being investigated, unless there is additional negative information we do not know about, we already know that hoping is not indicative of trying to influence or obstruct. Especially with Comey being a leaker and the supposed evidence being removed from the FBI and given to a friend with the intent to leak.
As chuckiechan andtruthatallcost already pointed out, there is a chain of evidence problem with it now, which leaves it as a he said, she said, situation and that just isn't going to cut it.
 
truthatallcost said:
I still don't believe that Comey is trustworthy. We're supposed to believe that every word of the memos are thehe God's honest truth,
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The Trump admin has already corroborated most of Comey's testimony. Even Sessions himself acknowledged that Comey told him that the meetings Trump had with Comey were improper. Not a single thing that Comey has said has turned out to be false. Everyone knows he's telling the truth. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh yesterday and he was droning on and on about how Trump has the authority to tell Comey to lay off of Flynn and that this shouldn't be a big deal. That's how point blank ****ing obvious this is. Even people who are die hard Trump supporters KNOW that Comey is telling the truth when he says that Trump told him "I hope you can let this go". They aren't even acknowledging that Trump denied it. They are acting as though it's fact and trying to say that it's ok that Trump did it. That's how big of a liar Trump is. Amazing.
 
Excon said:
Had those notes been made on his secured work device, there would be no reason for him to turn them over to the FBI which was recently done, you know, after he was fired.
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Can you cite a source saying that Comey didn't turn over his notes to the FBI til after he was fired? It's been my understanding all along that he shared these notes with top FBI officials, told them about the meetings and conversations etc.

I'd be very interested in seeing a credible source backing up the allegation that he didn't share any of these with the FBI until after he was fired.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Can you cite a source saying that Comey didn't turn over his notes to the FBI til after he was fired? It's been my understanding all along that he shared these notes with top FBI officials, told them about the meetings and conversations etc.

I'd be very interested in seeing a credible source backing up the allegation that he didn't share any of these with the FBI until after he was fired.
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1. You do not turn over copies if the FBI already has them.
2. Someone on the forum has said Comey testified the FBI did not have them. I will see if I can verify that. But that does not mean he did not share his memos prior to removing them if he did.
 
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Excon said:
1. You do not turn over copies if the FBI already has them.
2. Someone on the forum has said Comey testified the FBI did not have them. I will see if I can verify that. But that does not mean he did not share his memos prior to removing them if he did.
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Hmm. Ok. Sounds like you're getting pretty desperate.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Hmm. Ok. Sounds like you're getting pretty desperate.
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iLOL
How do you figure?

You are the one asking me a question that was irrelevant to the available information.

The memos were just recently turned over by the person he gave them to. You do not turn over memos if the FBI had the originals. There is no need to in that situation.

So back to your question. I replied with a relevant answer and said I would look into it for you, not that it matters one bit to what you quoted me saying.

So no, no desperation on this end, especially with what we know of what was said. Hoping is not a valid reason to prosecute anyone.
Desperation tends to run opposite of that knowledge.
 
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MTAtech said:
According to Trump, Trump fired Comey because of the Russian investigation, which Trump wanted shut down.
Excon said:
Your reply here is deliberately dishonesty.
That is not what Trump relayed.
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Trump said to Lester Holts when interviewed:

"I was going to fire Comey-- my decision. There is no good time to do it, by the way," Trump told NBC News’s Lester Holt. “I was going to fire regardless of recommendation."

Trump abruptly fired Comey as head of the FBI on May 9. The president later said in an interview on NBC News that he was concerned about the FBI investigation into what he called the "Russia thing."
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roughdraft274 said:
The Trump admin has already corroborated most of Comey's testimony. Even Sessions himself acknowledged that Comey told him that the meetings Trump had with Comey were improper. Not a single thing that Comey has said has turned out to be false. Everyone knows he's telling the truth. I was listening to Rush Limbaugh yesterday and he was droning on and on about how Trump has the authority to tell Comey to lay off of Flynn and that this shouldn't be a big deal. That's how point blank ****ing obvious this is. Even people who are die hard Trump supporters KNOW that Comey is telling the truth when he says that Trump told him "I hope you can let this go". They aren't even acknowledging that Trump denied it. They are acting as though it's fact and trying to say that it's ok that Trump did it. That's how big of a liar Trump is. Amazing.
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Do you have a source for the part I've bolded?
 
Excon said:
That is your assumption, now please prove it.
Had those notes been made on his secured work device, there would be no reason for him to turn them over to the FBI which was recently done, you know, after he was fired.
Had he thought Trump was actually trying to obstruct the investigation into Flynn he was required to actually report it which would leave an Official paper trail. Where is it? ... of which those memos would have been part of the official investigation
Classified? Doesn't matter to my argument. Those supposed memos belong to the FBI. He still leaked them. Then we have the possibility that they were indeed privileged communications (but that would need to be litigated).


Part of an investigation? Classified. Since there was no investigation brought about by the memos, he didn't really think Trump was trying to influence/or obstruct the Flynn investigation.


Really, nothing you have argued is relevant to what I said.
As he has established himself as a leaker, there is no reason to trust what he says in any notes he supposedly took.




Okay? Where is the Official record of his doing so?




Your reply here is deliberately dishonesty.
That is not what Trump relayed.




And? He never said he had tapes.

He said Comey better hope there are no tapes of their conversations before he started leaking.
Which is different than telling Comey he had tapes so should think twice before leaking.


iLOL
1. Reports based on anonymous sources does not mean he is actually Officially being investigated. Even your provided report says information is being gathered to determine of there will be a full scale investigation. 1a. Mueller is most likely obligated to look at what Comey and Trump have both said said and will make a determination of whether or not to investigate based on that.

2. Even if it ends up being investigated, unless there is additional negative information we do not know about, we already know that hoping is not indicative of trying to influence or obstruct. Especially with Comey being a leaker and the supposed evidence being removed from the FBI and given to a friend with the intent to leak.
As chuckiechan andtruthatallcost already pointed out, there is a chain of evidence problem with it now, which leaves it as a he said, she said, situation and that just isn't going to cut it.
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Documents were not classified - you prove they were.
 
JANFU said:
Documents were not classified - you prove they were.
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iLOL

I do not have to.
It is not part of my argument and is actually irrelevant.

Please show he is allowed to release FBI work product.
 
Seems like some people think Comey had handwritten memos. He had to turn in his devices when he was fired. Plus the former director discussed all of his encounters with his staff and other dept. heads in the FBI. He even discussed with Mueller what he could say in open session and in the closed one.

I doubt Comey thought that going to prison over 45 was a good use of his time.
 
Excon said:
iLOL

I do not have to.
It is not part of my argument and is actually irrelevant.

Please show he is allowed to release FBI work product.
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Show where he broke the law. You often pose as an expert on the law. Go for it.
Thing is he did not, those memos were not classified.
 
Has Comey been charged?
 
JANFU said:
Show where he broke the law. You often pose as an expert on the law. Go for it.
Thing is he did not, those memos were not classified.
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Ah ... hello!
Try arguing what was said, not what wasn't.
 
Parrish said:
Has Comey been charged?
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Nope. Going on two weeks now since the Senate hearing.

No indictment, no charges, no arrest, no anything.

Trumps bankruptcy lawyer [Kasowitz] threatened a civil complaint because he knows that there is no cause for a criminal charge.
 
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