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EXCLUSIVE: Obama’s Feds Tried to Hack Indiana’s Election System While Pence Was Gover

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Oh, hear is Lawson. "Lawson said despite the scale of the scans, the DHS efforts to attack its election system was unsuccessful. “Our voter registration system was not penetrated.”. Funny thing is that she thinks 15,000 port scans is "scale"

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Mycroft said:
I don't care. I'm just pointing out that an expert's reasoning for why this state hack might not be the fault of DHS could be applied to the contention of the Russian hack.

Or...maybe you don't care about truth? You'd rather keep believing it's Russia? I'm not surprised.
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So now we're back to "it didn't happen." The official story keeps changing, I've lost track.
 
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Erod said:
This Russian nonsense is just noise to distract from the fact that the FBI never did get into Hillary's deleted emails, and other surveillance and hacking like this story.
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Dreamers gonna dream. Liars gonna lie.
 
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Obama’s Feds Tried to Hack Indiana’s Election System While Pence Was G

slo1111 said:
Oh, hear is Lawson. "Lawson said despite the scale of the scans, the DHS efforts to attack its election system was unsuccessful. “Our voter registration system was not penetrated.”. Funny thing is that she thinks 15,000 port scans is "scale"

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Why are they admitting it happened? This explanation sounds like they were testing the system to see if it could be hacked, which sounds like something that would fall under the umbrella of "Homeland Security."

Which means we're getting outraged over a cabinet department doing its job?
 
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rocket88 said:
Why are they admitting it happened? This explanation sounds like they were testing the system to see if it could be hacked, which sounds like something that would fall under the umbrella of "Homeland Security."

Which means we're getting outraged over a cabinet department doing its job?
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They shouldn't be testing without permission, however, To imply some port scanning is an attempted at hacking is a step too far without proof.

I see the House is informed. Let them investigate.

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rocket88 said:
So now we're back to "it didn't happen." The official story keeps changing, I've lost track.
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I said nothing about "it didn't happen"...whatever "happen" you might be talking about.

Look, if you want to discuss...then discuss. If you want to put words in my mouth, forget it.
 
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rocket88 said:
And exactly how many Democrats became governor of Indiana during that time frame?
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Thank Jesus...NONE!

Wasnt due to lack of effort. Just lack of common sense.
 
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akyron said:
Thank Jesus...NONE!

Wasnt due to lack of effort. Just lack of common sense.
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So during that month or so, how many elections were disrupted?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Hacks very seldom originate from a single source. Almost everyone utilizes botnets and anonymous proxies. So lets say you are hacking for a foreign government. You have a botnet of tens of thousands of compromised endpoints around the world. Chances are, at least some of them are behind IDS that we have access to (or that reports back to a cloud service that lots of organizations have access to). Moreover, chances are, you have compromised some honey pots along with the other endpoints you have on your botnet.
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I can see where a botnet would be able to inflict a DDOS attack - that's pretty easy, just make all the bots ping or 'http get' at a coordinated point in time overwhelming the target network and servers, but I'm less convinced that such a botnet could exploit target systems, comb through their file systems, and send back data of interest or value, they are, after all, just programmed responses to input, and have to be small in size so limited in capabilities, right? How adaptable can these bots possibly be if they are able to stumble into and breach a system? Doesn't that level of adaptability require human intervention and action?

I'll grant you that botnet traffic could possibly pass multiple detection systems.
 
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rocket88 said:
So during that month or so, how many elections were disrupted?
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It's funny to watch you people defend this.
 
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apdst said:
It's funny to watch you people defend this.
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Not as funny as watching you mentally undress Trump.
 
Re: EXCLUSIVE: Obama’s Feds Tried to Hack Indiana’s Election System While Pence Was G

akyron said:
DHS Tried to Hack Indiana's Election System | The Daily Caller

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials tried to hack Indiana’s state electoral system with at least 14,800 “scans” or hits between Nov. 1, 2016, to Dec. 16, 2016, The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned.
The attacks are the second confirmed IT scanning assault by DHS officials against states that resisted then-President Barack Obama’s attempt to increase federal involvement in state and local election systems by designating them as “critical infrastructure” for national security.
Members of the National Association of Secretaries of State voted Saturday at their winter meeting to oppose the designation.

The state’s IT team traced the intruder to a DHS computer’s IP address. The same DHS unit attempted 10 times in 2016 to hack into the Georgia electoral system.
Federal officials are barred under DHS rules from trying to penetrate a state system without the express approval of the state. Neither Georgia nor Indiana approved the DHS scanning attempts.
The DHS inspector general has launched an official investigation into the Georgia breach attempt.
Thomas Vessely, IT director for the Indiana secretary of state, told TheDCNF that “we kindly declined [DHS] assistance because we were very comfortable in the work we were doing in monitoring our election system.”
Lawson said she “always assumed it was because I was the incoming President of the National Association of Secretaries of State and because we declined their assistance.”
Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp told TheDCNF Jan. 24, 2016, he was suspicious because four of the 10 attacks against the Georgia election network occurred as he was about to talk to DHS officials, or coincided with his public testimony opposing the critical infrastructure designation.

Well we have evidence of state election attacks again.

Russians?
Macedonians?
Unamned sources?

Nope. The Obama DHS.
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I thought there was no way of proving who the hackers were and that it is easily spoofed? Too funny.
 
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chuckiechan said:
Shame you don't show that forgiveness to Trump and his administration.
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Por que?
 
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iguanaman said:
I thought there was no way of proving who the hackers were and that it is easily spoofed? Too funny.
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Is it?
 
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eohrnberger said:
I can see where a botnet would be able to inflict a DDOS attack - that's pretty easy, just make all the bots ping or 'http get' at a coordinated point in time overwhelming the target network and servers, but I'm less convinced that such a botnet could exploit target systems, comb through their file systems, and send back data of interest or value, they are, after all, just programmed responses to input, and have to be small in size so limited in capabilities, right? How adaptable can these bots possibly be if they are able to stumble into and breach a system? Doesn't that level of adaptability require human intervention and action?

I'll grant you that botnet traffic could possibly pass multiple detection systems.
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What they do in that case is plug for holes or exploits. When the find one they will do things like dump the IPs to an IRC channel. So yes at some point a human gets involved.

Typically then a hacker will use other compromised systems as proxies to do more targeted hacking.
 
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rocket88 said:
Not as funny as watching you mentally undress Trump.
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Yoir insults get weaker by the day.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
What they do in that case is plug for holes or exploits. When the find one they will do things like dump the IPs to an IRC channel. So yes at some point a human gets involved.
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IRC channel, yeah, the 'Dark Net'. Its been reported that there's nearly nothing unavailable there, just a matter of price.

Typically then a hacker will use other compromised systems as proxies to do more targeted hacking.
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Sure. Proxying through one or more compromised systems is a way to make tracing back to the true source far more difficult, defense being 'just making hard enough to discourage' in this case.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
This is fakes news. I don't throw that term around either. I think it's the first time I have used it on here. Nevertheless, this is fake news. I say this because I am a senior IT professional with 20 years of experience. What they are calling "scans", would be evidence of a computer on the DHS network being part of a bot network. In the time it takes me to type this post, our Layer 7 firewalls / ADCs will easily log and shun the source IPs for hundreds if not thousands of various brute force attempts, port scans, ddos attacks, slow loris attacks and so on. The vast majority of these attacks will originate from compromised computers in private individuals homes around the world, as well as companies around the world, and government offices around the world.

Point being that port scans from a DHS computer are not evidence of an attack being done by DHS, but rather of a DHS workstation or server being compromised by some kind of malware and part of a botnet. That botnet could be ran by anyone, including the Russians.
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I agree with your assessment and it could also imply the election "hacking" was done by insiders in DC and not the Russians....we may never know because we are constantly lied to and misled by the corporate owned media that a majority of people still watch.

The whole thing stinks. Our whole political landscape stinks. When you pair this with the fact Hillary was railroading Sanders, was handed debate questions from the AG, and coordinating with all MSM except Fox, it isn't that far of a stretch for them to rig some polls if they can. Remember, Hillary was supposed to win and something or several things went wrong. This could have been one of them.

You have too much faith in .gov.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Yes, because a user ran an HTTP OPTIONS command from a spreadsheet. Stupid, but hardly malicious. DHS responds to hacking accusations from Georgia | TheHill

Detail of HTTP Options vs Get.

HTTP/1.1: Method Definitions

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, this is something I know a lot about. I deal with malicious activity against my employer's high traffic sites every single day.

Finally, while the government doesn't typically attract the best IT talent, they are not stupid. If DHS actually wanted to hack a state's election systems, they would do it just like any other hacker would do it, via botnets and anonymous proxies. No one does a hack directly from their own network.
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I really hope you don't believe the lies about Russian "meddling" since you know anyone from Anonymous could have done that using proxies. Plus, like you said, NOONE uses their own network for an attack...
 
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rocket88 said:
And exactly how many Democrats became governor of Indiana during that time frame?
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Indiana has been a red state for a while. The hack was unsuccessful. Had it been successful who knows.... I like how you try to jump to that conclusion though.
 
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Mycroft said:
So...what you are saying to excuse DHS could also be used to let Russia off the hook, right?
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Bingo, but that doesn't fit the lies and confusion that swirls around the topic. I wish partisan politics never existed. I swear people are blinded by their need to be right and just. Too stubborn to actually look at events with no bias and only take in the facts.
 
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akyron said:
DHS Tried to Hack Indiana's Election System | The Daily Caller

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials tried to hack Indiana’s state electoral system with at least 14,800 “scans” or hits between Nov. 1, 2016, to Dec. 16, 2016, The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned.
The attacks are the second confirmed IT scanning assault by DHS officials against states that resisted then-President Barack Obama’s attempt to increase federal involvement in state and local election systems by designating them as “critical infrastructure” for national security.
Members of the National Association of Secretaries of State voted Saturday at their winter meeting to oppose the designation.

The state’s IT team traced the intruder to a DHS computer’s IP address. The same DHS unit attempted 10 times in 2016 to hack into the Georgia electoral system.
Federal officials are barred under DHS rules from trying to penetrate a state system without the express approval of the state. Neither Georgia nor Indiana approved the DHS scanning attempts.
The DHS inspector general has launched an official investigation into the Georgia breach attempt.
Thomas Vessely, IT director for the Indiana secretary of state, told TheDCNF that “we kindly declined [DHS] assistance because we were very comfortable in the work we were doing in monitoring our election system.”
Lawson said she “always assumed it was because I was the incoming President of the National Association of Secretaries of State and because we declined their assistance.”
Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp told TheDCNF Jan. 24, 2016, he was suspicious because four of the 10 attacks against the Georgia election network occurred as he was about to talk to DHS officials, or coincided with his public testimony opposing the critical infrastructure designation.

Well we have evidence of state election attacks again.

Russians?
Macedonians?
Unamned sources?

Nope. The Obama DHS.
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The Daily Caller eh? Charge everyone involved then.
 
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JRSaindo said:
Bingo, but that doesn't fit the lies and confusion that swirls around the topic. I wish partisan politics never existed. I swear people are blinded by their need to be right and just. Too stubborn to actually look at events with no bias and only take in the facts.
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No, your "two" parties are merely battling for the favor of the donor class; bickering factions of a ruling aristocracy.
 
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