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Trump Supporter Accused of Rally Violence Blames Trump

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White nationalist Matthew Heimbach is being sued by a protester who says he assaulted her at a rally in Kentucky last year and he, in turn, is suing Trump, saying he was acting at Trump's direction and "relied on Trump's authority to order disruptive persons removed,"

Trump Supporter Accused of Rally Violence Blames Trump

Interesting. Trump probably wins, but a supporter is saying he's wrong?
 
Meh.

Trump did not cause you to do anything. You did.
 
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lock him up, lock him up, lock him up, Trump that is, lock him up ...........
 
inciting violence, or inciting the crowd to perform nefarious actions = culpability ............
 
This guy's going to jail for a long time. This is a Hail Mary/desperation play
 
rocket88 said:
White nationalist Matthew Heimbach is being sued by a protester who says he assaulted her at a rally in Kentucky last year and he, in turn, is suing Trump, saying he was acting at Trump's direction and "relied on Trump's authority to order disruptive persons removed,"

Trump Supporter Accused of Rally Violence Blames Trump

Interesting. Trump probably wins, but a supporter is saying he's wrong?
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Surprise surprise surprise. Just like his idol, a trump supporter can't take responsibility for his actions.
 
TheGoverness said:
Meh.

Trump did not cause you to do anything. You did.
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Not entirely true, or at least that's not a comprehensive picture. Basically, just remember that the person inciting the violence and the person committing the violence are both legally culpable.
 
rocket88 said:
White nationalist Matthew Heimbach is being sued by a protester who says he assaulted her at a rally in Kentucky last year and he, in turn, is suing Trump, saying he was acting at Trump's direction and "relied on Trump's authority to order disruptive persons removed,"

Trump Supporter Accused of Rally Violence Blames Trump

Interesting. Trump probably wins, but a supporter is saying he's wrong?
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I believe that Trump IS guilty of inciting violence, but... this guy's actions are all on him for actually doing it. That may not make sense to some, but I am able to separate the two in my mind.
 
Cardinal said:
Not entirely true, or at least that's not a comprehensive picture. Basically, just remember that the person inciting the violence and the person committing the violence are both legally culpable
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Thats only true for inciting riots, and since there were no riots in this case, your argument rings hollow
 
Desert Storm said:
Thats only true for inciting riots, and since there were no riots in this case, your argument rings hollow
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The judge in that case disagrees with you.
 
Was this before or after Trump offered to pay all the legal fees for anyone who used violence on protestors?
 
reinoe said:
This guy's going to jail for a long time. This is a Hail Mary/desperation play
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It's not a criminal case, it's a civil lawsuit.
 
TheGoverness said:
Meh.

Trump did not cause you to do anything. You did.
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One could argue his mere existence has driven the left, the media, and the establishment to a mass psychotic breakdown.

The threat of or losing a religion, power, or control can be scary.

And dont forget cash.
 
Desert Storm said:
Fair point, I just read the article.

So there was a fight, not a riot though.
Also, at what part did the judge rule against Trump??
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I have no reason to think that whether or not an incitement to violence was successful technically has much bearing on whether it was incitement just the same (though of course successful incitement to violence would certainly be more likely to result in charges or litigation).

And the judge allowed the case to move forward, having determined that Trump's speech was legitimate grounds for being considered incitement to violence.

Judge David J. Hale, of U.S. District Court, Louisville, ruled Friday that a lawsuit brought by three Trump protesters who claim they were physically manhandled at a March 1, 2016, Kentucky rally can proceed, as most motions to dismiss were found to be inadequate. Trump's lawyers claimed that he cannot be held liable for his supporters actions, despite yelling "Get 'em out of here," to the crowd at the Kentucky International Convention Center.

Despite Trump's lawyers' allegation that his words were constitutionally protected speech, "it is plausible that Trump's direction to 'get 'em out of here' advocated the use of force...it was an order, an instruction, a command," Hale writes. The judge cites case law in stating that an incitement to violence does not enjoy First Amendment protection. "Trump's statement at least 'implicitly encouraged the use of violence or lawless action,'" Hale wrote.
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Trump Can't Claim Free Speech Defense in Protesters' Lawsuit
 
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I think it would be good to hold Trump to his words to teach him a lesson. He incited violence, it happened, he said he would pay the bills for it. Pretty clear he is liable.
 
cuban smokes said:
ask an attorney if you don't believe ..........
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Did a large group of the crowd engage in violence, or just a single individual? Preponderance of evidence would need more than 1 individual acting upon the action to both believe it to be serious and for it to be incitement. For culpability with a single person, that person would need to be singled out and directly addressed to commit an action.

What you have is similar to sales fluff, not exactly ethical but not actionable, either. Don't believe me? Ask a lawyer that has no dog in the hunt.
 
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