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Two South Carolina men charged after forcing alligator to drink beer

Nickyjo said:
Your posts suggest you have an issue with government assistance. Why is that? It appears to be the norm in all the developed world, for, say, a few generations now. My folks got some govt relief after my father lost his job right when my sister was born. True, one neighbor brought them groceries, another firewood as the family stories went, but the government also stepped in with some assistance. I presume you have no problem with the neighbor, but why with the government?
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The neighbor is free to help or not help based on an informed decision but that is not the case where government makes that call.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The neighbor is free to help or not help based on an informed decision but that is not the case where government makes that call.
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Don't understand. What's wrong with the government making the call? Neighbors aren't always willing or able.
 
poweRob said:
Like Jesus said, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.' He was referring to people of course but back then people were treated like today's folks treat animals. If they do it to animals, they have a superiority complex that may carry on further.

As studies have shown...

Many studies in psychology, sociology, and criminology during the last 25 years demonstrate that violent offenders frequently have childhood and adolescent histories of serious and repeated animal cruelty. The FBI has recognized this connection since the 1970s, when its analysis of the lives of serial killers suggested that most had killed or tortured animals as children. Other research shows consistent patterns of animal cruelty among perpetrators of more common forms of violence, including child abuse, spouse abuse and elder abuse.

It's often a tale, tale sign.
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All true, but there is also a social aspect to it. If we turn a blind eye to unnecessary cruelty, we are all brought downward by it.
 
Nickyjo said:
Don't understand. What's wrong with the government making the call? Neighbors aren't always willing or able.
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The problem is with the last statement - the government saying that ability (only if you have too much?) means that you must be charitable. The government decision that two folks making the same income must "donate" a different amount via taxation is unjust.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Instead we're encouraging these people to procreate by giving them hand-outs like food stamps and welfare.
They probably bought the beer with their EBT cards.
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I do not know too many States were alcohol can be purchased with EBT cards, do you ?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The problem is with the last statement - the government saying that ability (only if you have too much?) means that you must be charitable. The government decision that two folks making the same income must "donate" a different amount via taxation is unjust.
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Agree with your last statement. All income should be taxed equally, whether wages,capital gains, interest, corporations, etc. I still don't get how the society you envisage is supposed to deal with those who can't afford to buy food. It's not enforced charity when my tax dollars help in this way, it's part of the social contract made long ago, more a function of justice. We have decided for a lot of reasons that it is better to deal with the imperfections of the market by giving assistance to those who may need it.

But let's assume that folks who can't make it have less ability, as you suggest. How to you deal with them, plus disabled, mentally ill, etc.? I appreciate the notion that the more highly skilled or wise in investments get more, and our society allows it, probably more than any other developed one. But the same society that paves the streets so that you can get to work, that subsidized the railroads so that your products can get to market, also has decided to help the less fortunate, or less worthy as Ayn Rand might put it. What's your beef? I gladly pay taxes to pave your street even though mine doesn't need it and I may take the bus.

I can see the neatness of what I think I understand of the libertarian philosophy, that we are all atoms bouncing against one another, freely doing transactions for mutual benefit. US society tends in that direction. But I don't think the whole of libertarian system has ever been tried, tho I haven't read the platform for 30 plus years. Please let me know your vision of how society should work, if it can be explained here. Mine is more or less explained above.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Instead we're encouraging these people to procreate by giving them hand-outs like food stamps and welfare.
They probably bought the beer with their EBT cards.
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I must have missed it when the right wing suddenly embraced the eugenics movement... When did this start?
 
trouble13 said:
Im not defending them or what they did but its not exactly the crime of the century here.

There is a finite number of resources available to prosecute and jail criminals. We have to pick n choose who we go after because for everyone we go after allows someone else to go unpunished.

Its irresponsible to go after these guys instead of the greater threats out there.

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Just about every city has people who issue parking tickets, so that's not really a good complaint. Here, it looks like the people dealing with these morons was the Dept of Natural Resources, and it's pretty much their job dealing with violations like this. These aren't detectives normally assigned to murder cases taking time off to charge people with wildlife violations.
 
DiAnna said:
Who the hell thinks of doing this? Animal abuse in any form really pisses me off.
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20 and 21 yo males who are drinking think this this stuff up... appalling but most really do grow out of it.
 
I am thinking, what did they plan to do with the gator after they got it drunk?:mrgreen:
 
HenryChinaski said:
Those guys are boneheads and animal abuse and harassment should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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They are idiot 20/21 year olds who more than likely were impaired and an opportunity presented itself. Young men do stupid ****, it's a known fact. Ask me about the time my college roommate thought it would be fun to play with his pet rattlesnake whilst drinking. :lol:
 
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