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Report: White House Lawyers Looking Into Impeachment

rhinefire said:
Bill Maher said he'll be gone by December. Sorry Bill, it would be nice but you are dreaming. He is not going down without a ferocious fight.
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Bill Mayer hedged the bet somewhat. If the pace of the news continues, I can see the process getting started in earnest. With DonJon out of the country/limelight, I am going to relax and recharge. The various news outlets are regurgitating all the last week's news over and over Enjoy the lull......
 
Has Trump been impeached yet?
No?

How boring.
 
upsideguy said:
I agree. Bill should not have taken that bet. I think sometime in the May to July 2018 timeframe is much more realistic.

The pre-requisite to impeachment is to have Trump's poll numbers need to be in the low 30's. That will take awhile (though Gallup had him at 37% yesterday). Then he becomes toxic to the Republicans so they will have to impeach him as a matter of self-preservation. It also needs to be just before the election season so that it looks as if Republicans policed their own.
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Umm no. There is no clause for impeachment at being unpopular.
The only cause for impeachment article is high crimes and misdemeanors.
Being unpopular with liberals is not cause for impeachment.
 
Trump is close to getting personal counsel, and the lawyers in the WH are researching impeachment material.

What a fun next 18 months all of this will be.
 
The House decides what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors", and nothing prevents them from including "unpopular" and "bringing the Office of the Presidency into disrepute and ridicule."

Impeachment is a political not a criminal tria.
 
ludin said:
Umm no. There is no clause for impeachment at being unpopular.
The only cause for impeachment article is high crimes and misdemeanors.
Being unpopular with liberals is not cause for impeachment.
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No, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. Congress solely defines what are "high crimes and misdemeanors", it is not a legal definition. Hence, the process is ultimately political, as consistent with the two impeachments we have had in American history.

In fact, the politics of it is that it is almost impossible to get rid of a popular president. The president has to be politically toxic to have the impeachment work. Liberals can not get rid of Trump via impeachment. It will only happen if and when the Republicans decide that moving forward with him is political suicide (which it likely will be)...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB906156298393312500

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation
Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"
https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/1bac2836-073b-454f-993f-79a1de47b49a.pdf
 
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Cardinal said:
Impeachment is only at the end of this rainbow if Democrats sweep both houses in 2018. The most realistic scenario until then is for the investigations and Trump's repeated scandals (of his own making) to essentially paralyze the Republican agenda and/or continue to highlight how they're bad for regular Americans, thereby making them unelectable next year.

The only way impeachment is happening before a successful Democratic route is if something truly extraordinary happens, and that thing hasn't happened yet.
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I am still waiting for all that evidence of Trump breaking our laws. Oh wait it is a witch hunt and they don't need evidence. My bad. Sorry.
 
upsideguy said:
No, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. Congress solely defines what are "high crimes and misdemeanors", it is not a legal definition. Hence, the process is ultimately political, as consistent with the two impeachments we have had in American history.

In fact, the politics of it is that it is almost impossible to get rid of a popular president. The president has to be politically toxic to have the impeachment work. Liberals can not get rid of Trump via impeachment. It will only happen if and when the Republicans decide that moving forward with him is political suicide (which it likely will be)...

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation
Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"
https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/1bac2836-073b-454f-993f-79a1de47b49a.pdf
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So impeachments are witch hunts. NICE.

With all the corruption in DC this makes perfect sense.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I am still waiting for all that evidence of Trump breaking our laws. Oh wait it is a witch hunt and they don't need evidence. My bad. Sorry.
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If the investigations come to nothing then they come to nothing. It's not especially worrying because Democrats will still be able to work with the horrific policies Republicans are creating that will impact regular Americans every day. Possible Russian collusion is good in the realm of immediacy, but it's not actually essential in the big picture. While it's certainly the splashiest thing going on, it's not even remotely the most important when compared to policy.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I am still waiting for all that evidence of Trump breaking our laws. Oh wait it is a witch hunt and they don't need evidence. My bad. Sorry.
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We have ample evidence that his surrogates have broken our laws, unless lying to Congress and/or Federal investigators is magically no longer a crime. Eventually, the chain breaks, but Trump firing the FBI director after allegedly pressuring him (and other intelligence figures) to drop the investigation into Flynn just SCREAMS of obstruction of justice, which is, as you hopefully know, a violation of the ****ing law.
 
JamesBY said:
The House decides what constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors", and nothing prevents them from including "unpopular" and "bringing the Office of the Presidency into disrepute and ridicule."

Impeachment is a political not a criminal tria.
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True. However, we have pretty solid historical precedent for knowing that obstruction of justice is something that triggers impeachment.
 
Cardinal said:
Trump supporters don't get to criticize anybody for being foul mouthed.
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No, but I believe we can criticize you for not understanding math. The Senate is not flipping. The Democrats have way too many seats to defend in the Senate to expect to make even modest gains.
 
upsideguy said:
No, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. Congress solely defines what are "high crimes and misdemeanors", it is not a legal definition. Hence, the process is ultimately political, as consistent with the two impeachments we have had in American history.

In fact, the politics of it is that it is almost impossible to get rid of a popular president. The president has to be politically toxic to have the impeachment work. Liberals can not get rid of Trump via impeachment. It will only happen if and when the Republicans decide that moving forward with him is political suicide (which it likely will be)...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB906156298393312500

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation
Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"
https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/1bac2836-073b-454f-993f-79a1de47b49a.pdf
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yeah but it was political suicide to pass that health care debacle, but they still did, so who knows where their stupidity and corruption will take them next. It's seriously like watching "Veep"
 
OpportunityCost said:
No, but I believe we can criticize you for not understanding math. The Senate is not flipping. The Democrats have way too many seats to defend in the Senate to expect to make even modest gains.
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By that metric alone it certainly looks grim.
 
I don't think the Senate will flip, but perhaps the GOP is not going to pick up the total of 60 seats it so dearly wants.
 
Cardinal said:
If the investigations come to nothing then they come to nothing. It's not especially worrying because Democrats will still be able to work with the horrific policies Republicans are creating that will impact regular Americans every day. Possible Russian collusion is good in the realm of immediacy, but it's not actually essential in the big picture. While it's certainly the splashiest thing going on, it's not even remotely the most important when compared to policy.
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What horrific policies. Securing our border, enforcing our immigration laws, making better trade deals for this country, fixing our failed health care, putting the people of this country first when it comes to foreign policy, and all the rest of the things the people elected him to do.
 
Kobie said:
We have ample evidence that his surrogates have broken our laws, unless lying to Congress and/or Federal investigators is magically no longer a crime. Eventually, the chain breaks, but Trump firing the FBI director after allegedly pressuring him (and other intelligence figures) to drop the investigation into Flynn just SCREAMS of obstruction of justice, which is, as you hopefully know, a violation of the ****ing law.
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It hasn't been for previous presidents or their staff why the urgency now.
 
Cardinal said:
If the investigations come to nothing then they come to nothing. It's not especially worrying because Democrats will still be able to work with the horrific policies Republicans are creating that will impact regular Americans every day. Possible Russian collusion is good in the realm of immediacy, but it's not actually essential in the big picture. While it's certainly the splashiest thing going on, it's not even remotely the most important when compared to policy.
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Then why are Democrats putting all of their money on the witch hunt? Let's face it it, there is no plan B.
 
Kobie said:
We have ample evidence that his surrogates have broken our laws, unless lying to Congress and/or Federal investigators is magically no longer a crime. Eventually, the chain breaks, but Trump firing the FBI director after allegedly pressuring him (and other intelligence figures) to drop the investigation into Flynn just SCREAMS of obstruction of justice, which is, as you hopefully know, a violation of the ****ing law.
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Even you used the word allegedly.
 
Kobie said:
Nothing except for the already well-established, confirmed stuff I posted. Please tell me you're not a lawyer.
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Ummmmmmmmmmm. A lawyer would not take "allegedly" as proof of anything. Obviously, you're not a lawyer. You're hoping that we are 500 years in the past when they used enough alleged evidence to burn witches at the stake.
 
Moderate Right said:
Ummmmmmmmmmm. A lawyer would not take "allegedly" as proof of anything. Obviously, you're not a lawyer. You're hoping that we are 500 years in the past when they used enough alleged evidence to burn witches at the stake.
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I didn't claim "allegedly" was proof of anything; hence my use of the term. Why do you feel the compulsion to lie about what other people say?
 
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