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Jeff Sessions Reinvigorates the Drug War

Removable Mind said:
Privately ran prisons have been shown to be more costly than state ran facilities and have a few other problems. It didn't take too long to realize that this privatization isn't a better solution.
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Then write your congressman demanding an increase in BOP s budget
 
ES offers the following post hoc ergo propter hoc argument:
"No two more steps forward. Strict enforcement of drug laws resulted in the massive drop off in crime from the early 90s to now" ES #25
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After that, therefore because of that?

Chronology does not prove causation.

In the book Freakonomics author / economist Steven Levett suggests that the statistical reduction in crime you refer to corresponds to, and may be more likely attributable to Roe v. Wade.

Fewer unwanted babies being born in the 1970's could mean fewer criminally disposed 19 year olds in the '90's.

In any case, for most of American history there was no Drug War. And the crime levels back then were reportedly much lower than Drug War crime levels.

Drug War is not the solution. Drug War is the problem.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Then write your congressman demanding an increase in BOP s budget
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Why ask for an increase?

The DOJ found that, in general, private prisons provide fewer correctional services at greater security and safety risk to inmates and staff, without producing substantial savings.

This Is the Real Reason Private Prisons Should Be Outlawed | Time.com
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We need substantially reduce our prisons pothead populations.

Then.....

We need to audit all prisoners conviction records and identity all of non-violence offenders and reassess their sentences.
 
RM #28

It is a painful irony that the nation we memorialize in song as "the land of the free, and the home of the brave" has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the Western world.
"It is necessary to the happiness of man that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe." Thomas Paine 1737 - 1809
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If we wish to take pride in living in a paramilitaristic police State, that's fine.

Then why the pretense?
 
sear said:
RM #28

It is a painful irony that the nation we memorialize in song as "the land of the free, and the home of the brave" has the highest per capita incarceration rate in the Western world.

If we wish to take pride in living in a paramilitaristic police State, that's fine.

Then why the pretense?
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Trump is an authoritarian. Sessions was the only person (who has the moral compass of David Duke), who could be confirmed to serve as Attorney General, and more than willing to do Trump's authoritarian bidding. Sessions must feel like kind of a god. And it's like a license to legally discriminate.

But the reality is that the US government has constructed a trillion dollar business venture around the court systems and prison systems.

It isn't hard to see all of the peripheral monies involved in the prison economy. They boost the construction business, grocery/farming businesses, vehicle industry, increases the need for utility resources, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Trump isn't blind to the business aspect of our prison system. The system gives more taxation leverage over the taxpayers while enhancing jobs. What a fricken circle jerk the government's created. What a ****ty way to live up to a shallow promise to grow employment.
 
"Trump is an authoritarian." RM #30
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This and the rest of your evaluation of Trump's behavioral / motivational profile is insightful.

If I may split a hair: perhaps more power-atarian. Trump likes power. Avarice is one of the 7 deadly sins.
"Sessions was the only person (who has the moral compass of David Duke), who could be confirmed to serve as Attorney General, and more than willing to do Trump's authoritarian bidding." RM
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You may be right.
But I have a subtle suspicion there's a simpler, more fundamental explanation.
Trump has an outsized ego. Trump craves attention, his reason for having his name plastered on buildings around the world, on his aircraft, etc.
He hosted a TV show, to expand his personal brand.

By doing these things, Trump not only won the primary, beating a dozen more qualified candidates for the Republican nomination.
Trump is addicted to it, craves it, and feeds his addiction on every news cycle he can.
"But the reality is that the US government has constructed a trillion dollar business venture around the court systems and prison systems."
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The bitter irony there is, it's a purchase.
They're buying authoritarian control, at the cost of general revenue.
Instead of collecting $10,000.oo in tax revenues from a citizen, throwing them in the dungeon can cost $30K or more.
That's a $40,000.oo differential.
Multiply that by the millions we have incarcerated, it is literally $Billions each year we are $LOSING to this counterproductive Drug War. Martial oppression on this scale is very expensive.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Once again, America looks to continue to stay in the past and not be a leader, not end a clearly counter intuitive practice.
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Canada's being a leader here. They're looking to legalize recreational use of marijuana nationwide. And they've apparently found a way to do it while staying within the bounds of the UN treaty that they - and we - signed making marijuana illegal.
 
" the UN treaty that they - and we - signed making marijuana illegal. " G4 #32
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Do you have the text of this? I'd be curious about the exact wording.

It would surprise me if there isn't another U.N. stipulation which conflicts with it. (though that's an ignorant guess on my part)
 
Dittohead not! said:
Looks like the private prison industry is getting plenty of bang for the buck. I wonder what the price tag was on Sessions?
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Most private prisons are for housing illegal immigrants. What's great is that those private prisons then use the illegal immigrants for labor for extra income. Investing in prison-for-profit is great. I have no problem with private prisons as long as they're primarily being used to house illegal immigrants. My problem is that once that scourge is eliminated those private prisons will become obsolete unless they hold Americans.

Thousands of immigrant detainees sue private prison firm over 'forced' labor - LA Times
 
sear said:
This and the rest of your evaluation of Trump's behavioral / motivational profile is insightful.

If I may split a hair: perhaps more power-atarian. Trump likes power. Avarice is one of the 7 deadly sins.

You may be right.
But I have a subtle suspicion there's a simpler, more fundamental explanation.
Trump has an outsized ego. Trump craves attention, his reason for having his name plastered on buildings around the world, on his aircraft, etc.
He hosted a TV show, to expand his personal brand.

By doing these things, Trump not only won the primary, beating a dozen more qualified candidates for the Republican nomination.
Trump is addicted to it, craves it, and feeds his addiction on every news cycle he can.

The bitter irony there is, it's a purchase.
They're buying authoritarian control, at the cost of general revenue.
Instead of collecting $10,000.oo in tax revenues from a citizen, throwing them in the dungeon can cost $30K or more.
That's a $40,000.oo differential.
Multiply that by the millions we have incarcerated, it is literally $Billions each year we are $LOSING to this counterproductive Drug War. Martial oppression on this scale is very expensive.
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I appreciate your reply and I agree with a lot of your comments. Trump has a serious case of clinical level narcissism.

Speaking of replies and comments.... it would be great if you click on "Reply With Quote" at the bottom right hand corner of my post when you reply to my Comments (or others) so I'll get a direct notice that you've responded to my post. Then reply below the [/quote] site coding.

Thanks
 
reinoe said:
Most private prisons are for housing illegal immigrants. What's great is that those private prisons then use the illegal immigrants for labor for extra income. Investing in prison-for-profit is great. I have no problem with private prisons as long as they're primarily being used to house illegal immigrants. My problem is that once that scourge is eliminated those private prisons will become obsolete unless they hold Americans.

Thousands of immigrant detainees sue private prison firm over 'forced' labor - LA Times
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So you're claiming that "all" illegal immigrants are scourge? What a sweet, carting, and compassionate man you are. How do you suppose that they'll be eliminated?

How about turning the private prisons into facilities for the seriously mentally ill who wander the streets? To incarcerate them is a lot more costly.

Wait, I'm going to bet that you don't really give a rats ass about the mentally ill. Poor devils would probably cost you an extra 0.97 cents a year tax money.
 
Removable Mind said:
So you're claiming that "all" illegal immigrants are scourge? What a sweet, carting, and compassionate man you are. How do you suppose that they'll be eliminated?

How about turning the private prisons into facilities for the seriously mentally ill who wander the streets? To incarcerate them is a lot more costly.

Wait, I'm going to bet that you don't really give a rats ass about the mentally ill. Poor devils would probably cost you an extra 0.97 cents a year tax money.
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Yes, all illegal immigrants are a scourge. Did I stutter or use ambiguous language? No, I did not.

As for housing the mentally ill, I don't have a problem with that, however they must be revamped if that's the case. A mentally ill person is a person who needs help and is not to be treated like a prisoner unless they've actually committed a crime.
 
reinoe said:
Yes, all illegal immigrants are a scourge. Did I stutter or use ambiguous language? No, I did not.

As for housing the mentally ill, I don't have a problem with that, however they must be revamped if that's the case. A mentally ill person is a person who needs help and is not to be treated like a prisoner unless they've actually committed a crime.
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What makes them scourge?
 
Removable Mind said:
Jeff Sessions is a prick!

The U.S. attorney general is bringing back the harshest sentences for low-level drug offenses, rejecting Obama-era reforms.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/sessions-sentencing-memo/526029/

The Prison Economy is back on. So if Trump uses prisons and war to boost jobs in America that would make him "The Little Prick in Chief who wants to be The Big Prick in Chief".
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And it's celebration time in Columbia, Vietnam, and Canada. Traffickers and growers LOVE "the war on drugs" it has made billions, no trillions for South American cocaine kings, lab rats cooking up xtasy and fentanyl too love the higher prices that come with these crack downs. I suspect some marijuana growers in southern BC and the Islands to ramp up production.

Past studies have shown that the amount available drops 1 or 2% in these drug wars, while production and consumption rise 20 % or more along with end price and more profits. It's why no other nations have them anymore.

In all of the drug wars, beginning with Nixon, the announcement and the fact are very different. The announcement makes it sound like a long term thing, a policy, however the largest escalation of agents specifically dedicated to narcotics enforcement last 5 weeks. Nixon's buddy Beb Ribozzo got caught in a storm on his yacht, so coast guard were re-assigned.
 
apdst said:
Are cocaine and heroine legal in Canada?
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I like this post because it is classic conservative thinking.

Because cocaine and heroin etc. are illegal, we arrest and imprison dealers and producers for very long sentences. We think this lowers crime, but no.

In forward thinking countries the user is NOT considered a criminal as he has a disease called "addiction" and therefor is treated as a patient with the design of getting them off harmful substances.

In the US, EVERYONE in the same room as coke is a guilty criminal, users get jailed for possession 8 times to one over dealers...and the end result is the guy you sent to prison now has had months of exposure to other, hardened criminals and has learned to be a better crook.

In the meantime, once a criminal always a criminal in Amerika, so the poor slob cannot get a decent job even though it started with a .25 gram of marijuana.

Other countries are gaining ground on the disease both as a social dilemma and a crime and winning. Every four or five years the US launches a new war and fills its private sector, for profit prisons.....which would parallel they way they did things in pre-Victorian Europe.

Now that's a "Great" America.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I like this post because it is classic conservative thinking.

Because cocaine and heroin etc. are illegal, we arrest and imprison dealers and producers for very long sentences. We think this lowers crime, but no.

In forward thinking countries the user is NOT considered a criminal as he has a disease called "addiction" and therefor is treated as a patient with the design of getting them off harmful substances.

In the US, EVERYONE in the same room as coke is a guilty criminal, users get jailed for possession 8 times to one over dealers...and the end result is the guy you sent to prison now has had months of exposure to other, hardened criminals and has learned to be a better crook.

In the meantime, once a criminal always a criminal in Amerika, so the poor slob cannot get a decent job even though it started with a .25 gram of marijuana.

Other countries are gaining ground on the disease both as a social dilemma and a crime and winning. Every four or five years the US launches a new war and fills its private sector, for profit prisons.....which would parallel they way they did things in pre-Victorian Europe.

Now that's a "Great" America.
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The drug addiction rate in Canada is higher than the drug addiction rate in The United States. Canada is #6 in the world. The United States is #9 Great job ****ing over your country with all that forward thinking.
 
calamity said:
Hmm, with the Attorney General being from Alabama, how much you want to bet most of those new prisoners will be Black?
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Justice Hugo Black had been a prominent Klan official in Alabama, and yet President Roosevelt appointed him to the Supreme Court. Surely FDR did that because both he, the greatest liberal of the 20th century, and Black were racists. Doesn't every single one of Justice Black's votes, in any case where race was involved, show that his only guiding principle was "Get the Darkey?" I seem to remember seeing someone who passed for an intellectual in collectivist circles claim that once, in an article in one of those urban throwaway papers they stack by the bong shop door.

Like his fellow Alabaman Hugo Black, Jeff Sessions is a first-rate lawyer and a fine legal scholar. I approve of his efforts to enforce federal narcotics laws.
 
apdst said:
The drug addiction rate in Canada is higher than the drug addiction rate in The United States. Canada is #6 in the world. The United States is #9 Great job ****ing over your country with all that forward thinking.
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Could it be that many Canadians turn to drugs because the whisky there is so lousy?
 
apdst said:
The drug addiction rate in Canada is higher than the drug addiction rate in The United States. Canada is #6 in the world. The United States is #9 Great job ****ing over your country with all that forward thinking.
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Oh be nice.

You don't have to show your hate on every post.

And stop lying. The US has the highest rate of illegal drug use in the world. Your figures include marijuana which is not addictive, or rather less addictive than coffee.

Instead, mabe deal with the actual topic of your post - HATE. I would say that your attempted diversion and attack on Canada was based in hate.

Maybe that's why Canadians live 3 plus years longer than you.

Remember it is easier to smile than to frown, and love gives energy, hate drains it.

Have a nice day, we're done here. I don't like being around negative, doubting hate filled people
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh be nice.

You don't have to show your hate on every post.

And stop lying. The US has the highest rate of illegal drug use in the world. Your figures include marijuana which is not addictive, or rather less addictive than coffee.

Instead, mabe deal with the actual topic of your post - HATE. I would say that your attempted diversion and attack on Canada was based in hate.

Maybe that's why Canadians live 3 plus years longer than you.

Remember it is easier to smile than to frown, and love gives energy, hate drains it.

Have a nice day, we're done here. I don't like being around negative, doubting hate filled people
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I didn't say drug use. I said addiction rate. Stop lyong becsuse you hate America.
 
reinoe said:
Most private prisons are for housing illegal immigrants. What's great is that those private prisons then use the illegal immigrants for labor for extra income. Investing in prison-for-profit is great. I have no problem with private prisons as long as they're primarily being used to house illegal immigrants. My problem is that once that scourge is eliminated those private prisons will become obsolete unless they hold Americans.

Thousands of immigrant detainees sue private prison firm over 'forced' labor - LA Times
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OH, I don't think we'll have to worry about them becoming obsolete as long as their lobbyists continue to be successful.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh be nice.

You don't have to show your hate on every post.

And stop lying. The US has the highest rate of illegal drug use in the world. Your figures include marijuana which is not addictive, or rather less addictive than coffee.

Instead, mabe deal with the actual topic of your post - HATE. I would say that your attempted diversion and attack on Canada was based in hate.

Maybe that's why Canadians live 3 plus years longer than you.

Remember it is easier to smile than to frown, and love gives energy, hate drains it.

Have a nice day, we're done here. I don't like being around negative, doubting hate filled people
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:applaud
 
Excellent news, the opioid epidemic and drug fueled violence still runs rampant. I personally support legalization of marijuana but on all other drugs there needs to be a serious crack down.
 
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