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Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal

celticwar17 said:
what an ignorant thing to say. There are brilliant people from all political spectrum's.
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Falling for Trump's con game does not a brilliant person make.
 
jmotivator said:
OH LOL! Nice spin, Deuce! The Democrats didn't call any bluffs, it was their intention to exempt themselves. That section exists in the law specifically because the Republicans called them out.
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Man finally they admit that the GOP did participate in writing the bill. Thanks, dude. I'm glad we're on the same page now.
 
hanger4 said:
They didn't actually exempt themselves;

"Gold Level” ObamaCare coverage with a 75 percent subsidy paid by taxpayers or even the option of opting out and retaining their previous heavily subsidized plan. The income of members and staff is simply not counted."

Just wrong: Congress quietly takes ObamaCare waiver | TheHill
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Sure sounds like an exemption to me. :) But I'll concede that the initial wording of the act did not include an exemption. When Congress balked, Obama let himself and them off the hook at our expense. At least the current legislation so far is up front and honest about it if the interpretation in the OP is accurate.
 
Nilly said:
Sigh... No. Read the article.
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*sigh* Again, it doesn't exempt them from the law. It applies the federal law to Congress without exemption or possibility of waiver.
 
calamity said:
Falling for Trump's con game does not a brilliant person make.
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You can make the same case for any politician's follower's. How'd that hope and change go?
 
Deuce said:
Man finally they admit that the GOP did participate in writing the bill. Thanks, dude. I'm glad we're on the same page now.
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They were only allowed to participate insofar as the Democrats BS made the law untenable as written. Would have been nice had the Democrats listened more often, maybe then they wouldn't have to argue that we should save the dying piece of **** rather than repeal it as a way of saving face. Heck, they might not have lost 1000+ seats nationwide...
 
ludin said:
why should sick people not have to pay a bit more?

the same works for insurance. people who have a lot of tickets or accidents pay more for car insurance.
that is not the same as them not getting coverage.
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This is the worst post that I've ever read on these forums.
 
The funny thing is that the reading of this piece of the bill, on reflection, is a reflection of how you view the law to begin with. Vox, and many posters here, are in the camp that believe that the PPACA is a great bill that does great things and that repealing it would cause death and destruction and mass mayhem. When you see the law that way you would naturally view a waive that forces Congress to live under their law and a net benefit to them. If, on the other hand, you are in the camp that thinks that the PPACA is a complete piece of crap that forces onerous burdens on those forced to buy insurance through the exchanges at exorbitant prices with abusively high deductibles and "essential" coverage that the person doesn't actually need, you would see a waiver from those policies as being to your benefit.

From the Republican perspective, a group whose view of PPACA falls into the latter, forcing them to live under the PPACA as written is not a good thing, but is instead forcing Congress to continue eating it's own cooking, as they originally forced the Democrats to do during the writing of the bill.
 
d0gbreath said:
This is the worst post that I've ever read on these forums.
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Hang on. I'm pretty sure I can do worse than that. Let's not get hasty in declaring this post or that post the worstestest when you can't possibly have read them all.
 
humbolt said:
Hang on. I'm pretty sure I can do worse than that. Let's not get hasty in declaring this post or that post the worstestest when you can't possibly have read them all.
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The funny thing is that this is really just another case of the left fear mongering. The bill in question returns control of health insurance policy to the states, that is all it is... to the average Democrat this is seen as an extinction event. :roll:
 
celticwar17 said:
You can make the same case for any politician's follower's. How'd that hope and change go?
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Pretty good, considering the mess W left behind.
 
jmotivator said:
The funny thing is that this is really just another case of the left fear mongering. The bill in question returns control of health insurance policy to the states, that is all it is... to the average Democrat this is seen as an extinction event. :roll:
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In certain Southern states it may very well be just that for certain sub-classes of humans who the state probably want back in shackles ASAP.
 
calamity said:
In certain Southern states it may very well be just that for certain sub-classes of humans who the state probably want back in shackles ASAP.
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^^^

Case in point.
 
jmotivator said:
*sigh* Again, it doesn't exempt them from the law. It applies the federal law to Congress without exemption or possibility of waiver.
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Congress only paying 25% regardless of income for the Gold level is a mighty big exemption.
 
Nilly said:
https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment



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Repeat after me:

'Republicans really care about the American people'
'Republicans really care about the American people'
'Republicans really care about the American people'
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Sounds exactly like what the Democratic congress did with Obamacare. Exempt themselves. Republicans doing the same, that shouldn't surprise anyone. That is what congress does regardless of party, they exempt themselves of the laws they make every other American follow and obey. Here some:

https://www.propublica.org/article/do-as-we-say-congress-says-then-does-what-it-wants

oh and then:

Congress exempt from Civil Rights Act

Congress exempt from Civil Rights Act - POLITICO

If one cares to look, there are plenty of laws that congress passes and exempts themselves.
 
jmotivator said:
*sigh* Again, it doesn't exempt them from the law. It applies the federal law to Congress without exemption or possibility of waiver.
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No. You're flat out wrong.

The 'waiver' allows states to say that sick people can be put into high risk pools.

Section A, exempts them from that waiver. So they can't be put into high risk pools, whilst their constituents can.

A spokesperson for Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) who authored this amendment confirmed this was the case: members of Congress and their staff would get the guarantee of keeping these Obamacare regulations [that would prevent them from going into high risk pools]
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square brackets in that quote added by me
 
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calamity said:
Pretty good, considering the mess W left behind.
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Funny you speak of intellect... You think W really had all that much to do with the "mess"? The workings of our government and economy are much bigger than the president.... but please, keep playing the little political sports game, go team! right?
 
Perotista said:
Sounds exactly like what the Democratic congress did with Obamacare. Exempt themselves. Republicans doing the same, that shouldn't surprise anyone. That is what congress does regardless of party, they exempt themselves of the laws they make every other American follow and obey. Here some:

https://www.propublica.org/article/do-as-we-say-congress-says-then-does-what-it-wants

oh and then:

Congress exempt from Civil Rights Act

Congress exempt from Civil Rights Act - POLITICO

If one cares to look, there are plenty of laws that congress passes and exempts themselves.
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Surely you see the difference between exempting themselves from a law that protects their own health insurance whilst kneecapping the people vs a law (taken direct from your link) that means they don't have to have notices of workers rights posted in their lunchrooms?

Most the laws in your link inconvenience those in congress rather than unfairly compensate/benefit them.
 
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Perotista said:
Sounds exactly like what the Democratic congress did with Obamacare. Exempt themselves.
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Umm, as others have pointed out, ACA did not exempt Congress. Sec 1312 requires Congress members and their staffs to buy insurance through the exchanges
 
d0gbreath said:
This is the worst post that I've ever read on these forums.
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I will agree on that one. At the moment I do not have a vehicle, I do not want the extra bills, thats my choice. It was not my choice to have a physical ailment.
 
Perotista said:
Sounds exactly like what the Democratic congress did with Obamacare. Exempt themselves.
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WCH said:
Congress and their staffers were exempted from ObamaCare...what's the difference here?
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at some point you guys are going to have to realize that you've been lied to so much about Obamacare that you really shouldn't trust your own opinions on the matter. Hey, remember how you thought there were death panels, 100s of thousands of doctors will retire, 50-100 million will lose insurance? and more recently, remember how you believed that republicans wanted to repeal Obamacare? How do you reconcile reality with what you believed reality was? I know the answer. I just wonder if you do.
 
jmotivator said:
I read the article and they got it wrong. 1312(d)(3)(D) is the section requiring Congress to buy insurance on the exchanges. This amendment grants waiver privilege to states, but not to Congress.
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No, you got it wrong. It's really sad how easily manipulated the right wing is by such obviously intentionally misleading words.

jmotivator said:
OH LOL! Nice spin, Deuce! The Democrats didn't call any bluffs, it was their intention to exempt themselves. That section exists in the law specifically because the Republicans called them out.
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This is an admission that democrats did not exempt congress from the ACA. Please inform all those right wingers that continue to repeat that lie.
 
sangha said:
Umm, as others have pointed out, ACA did not exempt Congress. Sec 1312 requires Congress members and their staffs to buy insurance through the exchanges
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Okay, congress originally exempted themselves, then after the public out cry, passed an amendment to include congress. Then takes a waiver to once again basically exempt them. One can use other words, but the bottom line is congress doesn't have to do what ordinary citizens do. To put it another way, Obama exempted congress.


They may have good reason to wonder if the politicians they elected are “feeling their pain”. That’s because the House and Senate have quietly taken a “Congressional waiver” from the administration that puts them above the law that was specifically amended to include Congress. The law says, “the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff … shall be health plans that are – (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).”

Just wrong: Congress quietly takes ObamaCare waiver | TheHill

It amounts to the same thing.
 
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Vern said:
at some point you guys are going to have to realize that you've been lied to so much about Obamacare that you really shouldn't trust your own opinions on the matter. Hey, remember how you thought there were death panels, 100s of thousands of doctors will retire, 50-100 million will lose insurance? and more recently, remember how you believed that republicans wanted to repeal Obamacare? How do you reconcile reality with what you believed reality was? I know the answer. I just wonder if you do.
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Let me repeat myself again from another post.

Okay, congress originally exempted themselves, then after the public out cry, passed an amendment to include congress. Then takes a waiver to once again basically exempt them. One can use other words, but the bottom line is congress doesn't have to do what ordinary citizens do. To put it another way, Obama exempted congress.


They may have good reason to wonder if the politicians they elected are “feeling their pain”. That’s because the House and Senate have quietly taken a “Congressional waiver” from the administration that puts them above the law that was specifically amended to include Congress. The law says, “the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff … shall be health plans that are – (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).”

Just wrong: Congress quietly takes ObamaCare waiver | TheHill

It amounts to the same thing.
 
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