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Man dragged from plane for refusing to voluntarily give up his seat.

Interesting position of half and half between security guards and police officers.

Now do they have the power to issue police orders or not and if not then they have no legal cover of any kind in their assault of the doctor sitting in his seat.


What are the Chicago aviation police? - Chicago Tribune

Q: Do they have the same training and powers as CPD officers?

A: Aviation police must meet the same minimum standards as other local cops, according to a city website. That includes passing fitness testing and psychological examinations. Aviation officers can "temporarily detain and take people into custody until Chicago police arrives," said city spokeswoman Jennifer Martinez. But only Chicago police can file an arrest report, she said. Some training and qualification standards for Chicago police go beyond the state's minimum standards, and it is unclear what the Aviation Department requires of officers beyond the minimum.

Q: Are aviation officers armed?

A: They cannot carry weapons but must be state-certified police officers. Airport police have sought for years to be allowed to carry firearms, but the city has opposed that. Aviation Committee Chairman Ald. Michael Zalewski, 23rd, said the latest incident weakens the push by aviation police to carry guns.

Q: Were the officers in this case authorized to remove the passenger from the plane in the way they did?

2 more aviation officers involved in removing passenger from United plane put on leave: officials
2 more aviation officers involved in removing passenger from United plane put on leave: officials
A: Investigations are ongoing. Aviation Department spokeswoman Karen Pride said in the statement: "While they do have limited authority to make an arrest, Sunday's incident was not within standard operating procedures nor will we tolerate that kind of action." Three officers have been placed on administrative leave while the department reviews the incident.
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buck said:
Yes, the employees were needed for a flight the next morning, from what I have read.
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It would have been cheaper for United to charter a separate flight for the four employees, or even offer a million dollar bribe to any passenger willing to give up his seat. This will cost United big time. I can't believe any legitimate business would do such a stupid thing. I bet heads will roll at United.
 
JohnPaul said:
It would have been cheaper for United to charter a separate flight for the four employees, or even offer a million dollar bribe to any passenger willing to give up his seat. This will cost United big time. I can't believe any legitimate business would do such a stupid thing. I bet heads will roll at United.
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The BoD should demand a resignation. Oscar may have saved himself by apologizing ... 4 days later, but the people will not forget. Dr. Dao's lawyers could make sure this experience persists for some time, reinforcing the memory.
 
JohnPaul said:
It would have been cheaper for United to charter a separate flight for the four employees, or even offer a million dollar bribe to any passenger willing to give up his seat. This will cost United big time. I can't believe any legitimate business would do such a stupid thing. I bet heads will roll at United.
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Please tell me where they would be able to charter a plane at the last minute to send a crew? They are an AIRLINE, they have their own planes and they can put must ride deadheaders on their planes, and on the planes of their regional carriers.
 
Absentglare said:
The BoD should demand a resignation. Oscar may have saved himself by apologizing ... 4 days later, but the people will not forget. Dr. Dao's lawyers could make sure this experience persists for some time, reinforcing the memory.
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He has no reason to resign, the airline (actually Republic Airways DBA United Express) was fully within their contract of carriage. The rent a cop messed up.
 
beefheart said:
He has no reason to resign, the airline (actually Republic Airways DBA United Express) was fully within their contract of carriage. The rent a cop messed up.
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His initial statements were reason enough.
 
Absentglare said:
His initial statements were reason enough.
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No, Republic Airways DBA United Express followed procedures. The ORD cop is the one that abused this guy.
 
The whole thing is just plain disturbing. Using force to get an elderly person off a plain should be plastered in everyone's mind before they buy a ticket from United. This was handled very poorly.
 
BillRM said:
Somehow beating the **** out of an old man for not getting out of a seat he had paid the airline for is not a good position in anyway or in any manner either legally or PR accepts in my non lawyer opinion.
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If you can prove he was beaten by LEO's, I'm willing to read what you have. What he forcibly removed, yes. I think we can imagine what it would take to remove someone from an airline seat if they resist. It would be quite the struggle. Morally they probably should have left him, but legally they have clear cut protocols. Allowing the interruption of air traffic for one person isn't allowed.
 
JohnPaul said:
It would have been cheaper for United to charter a separate flight for the four employees, or even offer a million dollar bribe to any passenger willing to give up his seat. This will cost United big time. I can't believe any legitimate business would do such a stupid thing. I bet heads will roll at United.
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Nobody will lose their job - United will wait until the outrage blows over.

Americans forget as quickly as they rush to judgement.
 
SMTA said:
Nobody will lose their job - United will wait until the outrage blows over.

Americans forget as quickly as they rush to judgement.
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I don't think they will forget that quickly. It just reminds everyone that just because you're in that seat on the plane doesn't mean they can't remove you at any time they desire.
Most other passengers would support having police come aboard to remove a dunk or belligerent passenger. But for someone who is quietly sitting there and being pulled out it rankles others.

It presents an odd relationship. One may resent the actions of the airlines but you want that crew and plane you are riding on to be successful. "Damn that United Airlines but I hope my United Airlines pilot got a good night sleep last night".

A lot of different opinions here. Some trying to make it political and others trying to dig up dirt on this passenger. But seems an universal consensus this was a piss poor way of handling this whole situation by United.
 
United Airlines passenger 'stung by scorpion' on flight - BBC News

Richard Bell said the scorpion fell from the overhead bin and onto his head during lunch on a trip from Houston, Texas to Calgary in Canada.
After putting it on his plate, he was stung. United has offered compensation.
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If you somehow manage to avoid being kicked off because the flight was overbooked, and if you avoid being severely beaten by the cops for resisting, then you still just might have to cope with scorpions.
 
beefheart said:
No, Republic Airways DBA United Express followed procedures. The ORD cop is the one that abused this guy.
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No they didn't. They only offered $500. That's why an entire plane full of passengers refused to volunteer for the revised agreement.

Fundamentally, the police are not there to resolve customer service issues. This wasn't a dangerous or a criminal issue. This was United ****ing up and illegally bullying their customers.
 
Absentglare said:
No they didn't. They only offered $500. That's why an entire plane full of passengers refused to volunteer for the revised agreement.

Fundamentally, the police are not there to resolve customer service issues. This wasn't a dangerous or a criminal issue. This was United ****ing up and illegally bullying their customers.
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What, you don't want to have your professional life put on hold so you can sleep at one of those pimp airport hotels for $500?
 
Top Cat said:
You need to fly delta.

Delta will pay passengers on overbooked flights up to $10,000 to give up a seat - Apr. 14, 2017
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Stewardess: "Sir, we need your seat for this disabled World War 2 veteran."
Cardinal: "Um, yeeeahh...I don't think that's going to work for me. Mkay, thanks."
Stewardess: "Sir, this man personally liberated the prisoners at Dachau."
Cardinal: "And we thank him for that."
Stewardess: *Sigh.* "Okay, we can upgrade you to first class."
Cardinal: "Ooh, that's nice, but no thanks."
Stewardess: "Fine. Here's $10,000."
Cardinal: "That'll do!" [to WWII vet] "Sir, thank you for your sacrif-"
Veteran: "Go to hell."
 
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The family had to get off the flight for putting a 2-year-old child in a seat they had bought for their 18-year-old son, who had flown home on an earlier flight. Delta can remove passengers from flights for a whole list of reasons, including being disorderly or annoying.

The employee said that because Schear's teenage son was not present and the ticket was in his name, the 2-year-old could not sit there and had to give up the seat.

Later in the video, another employee said that Federal Aviation Administration rules stipulate that a 2-year-old cannot be in a seat, or occupy a car seat, and needed to be sitting an adult's lap.

California Family Kicked Off Delta Flight, Threatened With Jail, Foster Care for Refusing to Give Up Tot's Seat - NBC News
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