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Former US Attorney: Susan Rice Ordered Spy Agencies To Produce ‘Detailed Spreadsheets

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I dont know, But Susan Rice coming out and say yes, we did monitor Trump during the campaign, is WAY more proof, than any proof ever showing Collusion to derail the election. I have NOT seen ANY proof showing Trump was directly involved. So deflection? No. This is what we call fact finding.... and well.... this seems to show facts... LOL!

For all the trump/Russia meme they have yet to produce and even democrat house members on the intelligence committee have said there is no evidence.
trump was correct when he said he was wiretapped. Obama had people all over his campaign.

in which I question the legality of it. more so because they didn't go through the normal process to get there.
 
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This Trump and Russia thing is community organizer level BS, and the illegality of the Obama staff is what the real scandal is.

So you just believe everything that the idiot DiGenova says? Even though he's been wrong about damn near everything he's ever said?

For instance...

Benghazi Was About 400 Surface-to-Air-Missiles Stolen by 'Some Very Ugly People,' DiGenova Says


His job is to lie and make Democrats look worse and distract from actual stories. Good job following orders.
 
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These are the only parts worth keeping of your post. Ha ha ha!

The point is actually serious. If you believe that there were or even might have been serious links between Trump's people and the Russians, then the entire picture changes about whether the actions by Rice and the IC are appropriate. If the Bush IC saw all that with Obama and did NOT seriously investigate it, including obviously tracking contacts between Obama's team and the Iranians as the Iranians are engaged in a concerted effort to swing the election for Obama, I'm pretty sure republicans would consider it dereliction of duty.

That is where we 'liberals' are right now. I don't know what happened, if anything, but I certainly cannot blame the IC for taking the risk very, very seriously versus saying, "Yeah, we know (or strongly suspect) the Russians are helping elect Trump and all these guys around Trump are tied to the hip with pro-Putin interests over there....it's nothing, just a big, fat coinkydink!"
 
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The impeachment plan is blowing up in liberals' faces.

Glorious.

I can't wait for Rice to be called to testify and watch her plead the 5th and see the Democrat supporters start arguing why Rice pleading the 5th is meaningless, but the possibility of a maybe immunity deal some day maybe is rock solid evidence of General Flynn's guilty. :lol:
 
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The point is actually serious. If you believe that there were or even might have been serious links between Trump's people and the Russians, then the entire picture changes about whether the actions by Rice and the IC are appropriate. If the Bush IC saw all that with Obama and did NOT seriously investigate it, including obviously tracking contacts between Obama's team and the Iranians as the Iranians are engaged in a concerted effort to swing the election for Obama, I'm pretty sure republicans would consider it dereliction of duty.

That is where we 'liberals' are right now. I don't know what happened, if anything, but I certainly cannot blame the IC for taking the risk very, very seriously versus saying, "Yeah, we know (or strongly suspect) the Russians are helping elect Trump and all these guys around Trump are tied to the hip with pro-Putin interests over there....it's nothing, just a big, fat coinkydink!"

It doesn't matter what President Trump and the Russians were into, Rice didn't have the authority to unmask the identities of American citizens.

You don't get to throw The Constitution out the window because you believe you have a good excuse.

This defense of Obama's spying in the Trump Campaign is the lamest of all time.
 
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It doesn't matter what President Trump and the Russians were into, Rice didn't have the authority to unmask the identities of American citizens.

Yes, she does have that authority.

You don't get to throw The Constitution out the window because you believe you have a good excuse.

This defense of Obama's spying in the Trump Campaign is the lamest of all time.

I have quoted the law and several experts including Andy McCarthy at NRO, and what the law says and what the experts say is that you are wrong. Here's the law - 50 USC 1801(h)

(h) “Minimization procedures”, with respect to electronic surveillance, means—
(1) specific procedures, which shall be adopted by the Attorney General, that are reasonably designed in light of the purpose and technique of the particular surveillance, to minimize the acquisition and retention, and prohibit the dissemination, of nonpublicly available information concerning unconsenting United States persons consistent with the need of the United States to obtain, produce, and disseminate foreign intelligence information;
(2) procedures that require that nonpublicly available information, which is not foreign intelligence information, as defined in subsection (e)(1), shall not be disseminated in a manner that identifies any United States person, without such person’s consent, unless such person’s identity is necessary to understand foreign intelligence information or assess its importance;
(3) notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), procedures that allow for the retention and dissemination of information that is evidence of a crime which has been, is being, or is about to be committed and that is to be retained or disseminated for law enforcement purposes;

The question at this point is whether Rice had defensible ethical reasons to unmask Trump people. She definitely had the authority to request the names be unmasked, and it's likely the individual cases met the statutory burden. At least we don't know any reason to believe otherwise at this point. If what is being alleged is true - that multiple conversations were unmasked - whether we have a 'scandal' or not depends on what was in those conversations and the broader inquiry.
 
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Yes, she does have that authority.



I have quoted the law and several experts including Andy McCarthy at NRO, and what the law says and what the experts say is that you are wrong. Here's the law - 50 USC 1801(h)



The question at this point is whether Rice had defensible ethical reasons to unmask Trump people. She definitely had the authority to request the names be unmasked, and it's likely the individual cases met the statutory burden. At least we don't know any reason to believe otherwise at this point. If what is being alleged is true - that multiple conversations were unmasked - whether we have a 'scandal' or not depends on what was in those conversations and the broader inquiry.

Show us the law that gives her that authority, because the law you posted doesn't authorize the National Security Advisor any kind of authority.
 
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Show us the law that gives her that authority, because the law you posted doesn't authorize the National Security Advisor any kind of authority.

It's your assertion that she doesn't have it, it's contradicted by literally everyone I've seen, and by the law, and your burden to prove. I'm not doing your homework for you.
 
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If Rice is suspected of committing a crime then call her to testify to the FBI and in front of the "intelligence committees". Otherwise, all you're doing is spreading Trump conspiracy theories, just like our dear leader.
 
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It's your assertion that she doesn't have it, it's contradicted by literally everyone I've seen, and by the law, and your burden to prove. I'm not doing your homework for you.

If General McMasters uses this same method to spy on the Democrat presidential candidate in 2019, you'll condone it?
 
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If General McMasters uses this same method to spy on the Democrat presidential candidate in 2019, you'll condone it?

I'm not following your moving goal posts. You're wrong, and making crap up.
 
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I'm not following your moving goal posts. You're wrong, and making crap up.

Ah! We're going personal now. That's proof that your argument is DOA.
 
Re: Former US Attorney: Susan Rice Ordered Spy Agencies To Produce ‘Detailed Spreadsh

Ah! We're going personal now. That's proof that your argument is DOA.

My argument is the law and literally every expert I've seen that has commented on the matter. Yours is......something you pulled from your....hat.
 
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My argument is the law and literally every expert I've seen that has commented on the matter. Yours is......something you pulled from your....hat.

Show us the law that gives the National Security Advisor investigative authority.
 
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Show us the law that gives the National Security Advisor investigative authority.

Don't you ever get tired of red herrings, straw men, goal post moving, i.e. trolling instead of having an intelligent discussion?
 
Re: Former US Attorney: Susan Rice Ordered Spy Agencies To Produce ‘Detailed Spreadsh

Don't you ever get tired of red herrings, straw men, goal post moving, i.e. trolling instead of having an intelligent discussion?

Obviously you're tired of facts. :lamo
 
Re: Former US Attorney: Susan Rice Ordered Spy Agencies To Produce ‘Detailed Spreadsh

The point is actually serious. If you believe that there were or even might have been serious links between Trump's people and the Russians, then the entire picture changes about whether the actions by Rice and the IC are appropriate. If the Bush IC saw all that with Obama and did NOT seriously investigate it, including obviously tracking contacts between Obama's team and the Iranians as the Iranians are engaged in a concerted effort to swing the election for Obama, I'm pretty sure republicans would consider it dereliction of duty.

That is where we 'liberals' are right now. I don't know what happened, if anything, but I certainly cannot blame the IC for taking the risk very, very seriously versus saying, "Yeah, we know (or strongly suspect) the Russians are helping elect Trump and all these guys around Trump are tied to the hip with pro-Putin interests over there....it's nothing, just a big, fat coinkydink!"

We are yet to see any indication that Russia was able to sway our election or that anyone on the Trump campaign worked with them. This has been going on for a year or so.

So far, we are just at the tip of the iceberg with the classified information being used as a political weapon. I don't see how a crime was not committed in giving classified info to the press to be used against the Trump administration, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.
 
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