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Latest WikiLeaks release[W:81]

Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
That would be the question, now wouldn't it.

And yes, Wikileaks has proven itself to be somewhat less than neutral.


I'm am saying the implied claim--- that the CIA did it and are "framing" the Russians to discredit Trump--- is bull****.
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Neutral or partisan doesn't matter a hill of beans when considering the content of their releases. All that matters is if they are true or not.
 
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jmotivator said:
Neutral or partisan doesn't matter a hill of beans when considering the content of their releases. All that matters is if they are true or not.
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Actually, it does. Considering what positions a source holds is often the most important thing in evaluating the merits of a position.
 
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jmotivator said:
Neutral or partisan doesn't matter a hill of beans when considering the content of their releases. All that matters is if they are true or not.
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You liked this so much you posted it twice?
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
Wikileaks has lost all credibility by now. Frankly speaking, they'd shown their true colors a long time ago. I'd take this with a great deal of skepticism.
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What exactly has Wikileaks been caught wrong on?

Generally speaking, the attacks by the left on Wiki have been of the attack the messenger type or a diversion of some sort.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
Actually, it does. Considering what positions a source holds is often the most important thing in evaluating the merits of a position.
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Actually it doesn't. The truth is the truth. Regardless of where it falls.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
Actually, it does. Considering what positions a source holds is often the most important thing in evaluating the merits of a position.
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No, no it doesn't. If TalkingPointsMemo releases something that is true is doesn't matter that they only print left wing narrative, what matters is that it is true.

That you demand that a truth only come from a source you deem worthy is more an expose of your own blind partisanship than it is a meaningful observation.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
Wikileaks has lost all credibility by now. Frankly speaking, they'd shown their true colors a long time ago. I'd take this with a great deal of skepticism.
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Tell you what. If you can provide documented proof that anything that wikileaks has produced has been proven false then I'll join ya. I'll bet you can't do it.

When Edward Snowden leaked that intel to Wikileaks not once was any of it denied. Instead the government confirmed it by saying that Snowden was a traitor and went after him.

When the DNC and Podesta got hacked not once was any of it denied. Instead they went into full deflection mode and even started blaming Trump.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
True true. A certain subset of the population is desperate to believe that the Russians weren't involved, despite increasing evidence to the contrary.

And it's really very telling how much time and effort Wikileaks spends trying to "expose" the US government, and conversely how little time and effort they've put into "investigating" countries like Russia and China--- who are rather consistently shifty in their treatment of both their own people and other people.
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Actually they have gone after both China and Russia previously. Visit their site and you'd find info on both of those countries...and more.
 
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jimbo said:
What exactly has Wikileaks been caught wrong on?

Generally speaking, the attacks by the left on Wiki have been of the attack the messenger type or a diversion of some sort.
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I'm not "on the left". That's your first mistake.

As for the rest, well, none of the news sources seem to agree on what's right or wrong.
 
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jimbo said:
Actually it doesn't. The truth is the truth. Regardless of where it falls.
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The objective truth does, yes. But the past years have shown that people are more than willing to make up their own truth and push that as the objective one
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

jmotivator said:
No, no it doesn't. If TalkingPointsMemo releases something that is true is doesn't matter that they only print left wing narrative, what matters is that it is true.

That you demand that a truth only come from a source you deem worthy is more an expose of your own blind partisanship than it is a meaningful observation.
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That you are so upset I do not blindly swallow what a source claims says a rather lot about you, rather.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
Lol. Yes bud, I know you are desperate for any tiny shread, even the flimsiest, to try to avoid the reality that the Russians almost certainly aided Trump in winning the election.

Yet more partisan whining about the Democrats......yawn.

Yet again, your desperation is showing. Ah well. Nobody ever expected you guys to accept reality.
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You have bought into manufactured narrative that was fed to you by the Democrat party who are currently doing everything possible to string along their supporters.

8 months and no evidence of collusion and truth is there was a " tiny shred " of evidence to support this ridiculous conspiracy theory it would have been leaked months ago.

If Obama Politcal appointees where willing to commit felonies by leaking the names of unmasked Americans caught on FISA wiretaps, why wouldnt they leak actual evidence to support this tin hattery ?

There was and is no evidence to leak and Democrats have only themselves and the Obama administration to blame for HRCs loss. Of-course to admit that would take a level of integrity and character thats in short supply on the Left.

Since 2010, Democrats have lost over 900 State legislator seats, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority.

You going to blame Russia for that too ? Obama was all too willing to cross the line when it came to using his executive authority to target the opposition and even Jornalist.

Of-course he would use the narrative of collusion to justify digging up dirt on a opposing Political candidate.

Hell, thanks to Nunez's press conference we now know some of the intel that was widely disemenated had nothing to do with Russia
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
That you are so upset I do not blindly swallow what a source claims says a rather lot about you, rather.
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LOL. Not upset at all. I am trying to educate you on the proper use of partisan claims and accusations of bias. Your attempt to argue that a document can be authentic but still rejected based on the perceived bias of the source is pretty silly and does more to damage your image than make a point.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Kal'Stang said:
Tell you what. If you can provide documented proof that anything that wikileaks has produced has been proven false then I'll join ya. I'll bet you can't do it.

When Edward Snowden leaked that intel to Wikileaks not once was any of it denied. Instead the government confirmed it by saying that Snowden was a traitor and went after him.

When the DNC and Podesta got hacked not once was any of it denied. Instead they went into full deflection mode and even started blaming Trump.
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Hmm....well, it took a bit of digging to find somebody willing to go beyond stating that it was a high probability that some of the documents Wikileaks possesses aren't the real McCoy, but....

Exposed: Wikileaks' secrets | WIRED UK

From the article:

"There is fake content on Wikileaks. A whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, admitted to submitting fabricated documents to Wikileaks to see what it would do. The documents were flagged as potential fakes, but the whistleblower felt that the decision to publish the documents had "an impact on their credibility". When challenged on fake content, Schmitt twists the potential criticism into a positive. "A fake document is a story in itself," he says"

Snowden was a traitor, but that's a difference case in and among itself. If one is being supplied information, it would be rather easy for a foreign agency(cough cough FSB) to.....alter things.

Which, apparently, they did on at least one occasion.

Dear Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, I Am Not Sidney Blumenthal
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

jmotivator said:
LOL. Not upset at all. I am trying to educate you on the proper use of partisan claims and accusations of bias. Your attempt to argue that a document can be authentic but still rejected based on the perceived bias of the source is pretty silly and does more to damage your image than make a point.
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As the past years have shown, people don't care about the authenticity of information; they care about where the information comes from--- whether it's a kosher source, in the worldview of partisan hack.

Therefore, where the info comes from is just as important as its truthfulness. After all, if it's fake, the question quickly becomes--- why?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Actually, it does. Considering what positions a source holds is often the most important thing in evaluating the merits of a position.
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If truth is dependent on what position one holds then I guess Trump has never lied...............
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
As the past years have shown, people don't care about the authenticity of information; they care about where the information comes from--- whether it's a kosher source, in the worldview of partisan hack.

Therefore, where the info comes from is just as important as its truthfulness. After all, if it's fake, the question quickly becomes--- why?
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I care about the authenticity and truthfulness of information. I've yet to see you prove that any of the material provided by Wikileaks has been proven to be false. All that I've seen you do is spin and claim that the truth doesn't matter.
 
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Fenton said:
You have bought into manufactured narrative that was fed to you by the Democrat party who are currently doing everything possible to string along their supporters.

8 months and no evidence of collusion and truth is there was a " tiny shred " of evidence to support this ridiculous conspiracy theory it would have been leaked months ago.

If Obama Politcal appointees where willing to commit felonies by leaking the names of unmasked Americans caught on FISA wiretaps, why wouldnt they leak actual evidence to support this tin hattery ?

There was and is no evidence to leak and Democrats have only themselves and the Obama administration to blame for HRCs loss. Of-course to admit that would take a level of integrity and character thats in short supply on the Left.

Since 2010, Democrats have lost over 900 State legislator seats, 14 Governors, the House majority and the Senate majority.

You going to blame Russia for that too ? Obama was all too willing to cross the line when it came to using his executive authority to target the opposition and even Jornalist.

Of-course he would use the narrative of collusion to justify digging up dirt on a opposing Political candidate.

Hell, thanks to Nunez's press conference we now know some of the intel that was widely disemenated had nothing to do with Russia
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More shrieking of "it's a set up!"

Despite the fact the case of Russian involvement is getting more and more ironclad by the day, there's still people like you who are willing to desperately hurl themselves upon the altar of farce.

No evidence that you are willing to accept, you mean. In your worldview it's never going to be enough, no matter how match evidence is presented.

The rest is just partisan babble.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I care about the authenticity and truthfulness of information. I've yet to see you prove that any of the material provided by Wikileaks has been proven to be false. All that I've seen you do is spin and claim that the truth doesn't matter.
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Obviously you missed the previous post I addressed to you.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
As the past years have shown, people don't care about the authenticity of information; they care about where the information comes from--- whether it's a kosher source, in the worldview of partisan hack.

Therefore, where the info comes from is just as important as its truthfulness. After all, if it's fake, the question quickly becomes--- why?
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LOL!! So you are defending your position by saying that everyone else is as intellectually bankrupt? :lamo
 
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Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, if Wikileaks was truly in Russia's pocket then wouldn't this be something they would be saying right about now?

If our own intelligence agencies were more trustworthy and we didn't have a crackpot government, maybe we could get to the bottom of this.

The fact that we can't is a sign of our troubled times. We have a potential fraud as a President and no way to prove it either way.
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
Hmm....well, it took a bit of digging to find somebody willing to go beyond stating that it was a high probability that some of the documents Wikileaks possesses aren't the real McCoy, but....

Exposed: Wikileaks' secrets | WIRED UK

From the article:

"There is fake content on Wikileaks. A whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, admitted to submitting fabricated documents to Wikileaks to see what it would do. The documents were flagged as potential fakes, but the whistleblower felt that the decision to publish the documents had "an impact on their credibility". When challenged on fake content, Schmitt twists the potential criticism into a positive. "A fake document is a story in itself," he says"

Snowden was a traitor, but that's a difference case in and among itself. If one is being supplied information, it would be rather easy for a foreign agency(cough cough FSB) to.....alter things.

Which, apparently, they did on at least one occasion.

Dear Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, I Am Not Sidney Blumenthal
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Your first link has a claim that some anonymous source admitted to pushing fake documents towards Wikileaks and that that information was flagged as fake but was still published, and doesn't even mention which documents were faked. So...anonymous source, no information on what was faked...just an accusation. Do you not see why that claim isn't credible?

Your second link shows that information by wikileaks was altered by Russia. From that second link article:

But the Russians had faked it all, taking a real document released by WikiLeaks and altering it to create a bogus story—one that ultimately was picked up by Trump himself.
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Got anything else?
 
Re: Latest WikiLeaks release

Tigerace117 said:
True true. A certain subset of the population is desperate to believe that the Russians weren't involved, despite increasing evidence to the contrary.

And it's really very telling how much time and effort Wikileaks spends trying to "expose" the US government, and conversely how little time and effort they've put into "investigating" countries like Russia and China--- who are rather consistently shifty in their treatment of both their own people and other people.
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What evidence besides hearsay do we have? We have gobs and gobs of news stories by the bushel daily. And we have supposed intelligence agencies that all agree, yet not one credible person has testified. Comey lost his credibility in the last administration. The House and Senate investigations have only just started. I see lack of evidence on both sides.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Your second link shows that information by wikileaks was altered by Russia. From that second link article:



Got anything else?
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THIS. They were REAL DOCUMENTS.

People bashing conspiracy theories, yet at the same time pushing their very own - that Assange is a 'Russian Agent' - is by far of the highest caliber of ironies.
 
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