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Nunes regrets briefing Trump before Intelligence panel

SMH. One thing about the GOP is they will lie to the people and do all kinds of shady crap. But at the end of the day they own it.
But the Dems should be asking for this guy to step-down from this investigation as he is clearly here to protect that guy in the white house. But no the Dems are weak in their approach to political games like this. SMH.
 
apdst said:
Where does he say that? There's nothing quoted.
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Some trumposters say Nunes did and some trumposters say Nunes didn't. Classic trump/Bannon disinformation negotiating over facts. Nunes is completely compromised according to more GOPs each day .
 
apdst said:
Where does he say that? There's nothing quoted.
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I haven't seen that either.
The Hill must have just decided to characterize his actual quote with the word "regrets".
It'd be like replacing a phrase like, say, "me and my entire team was spied on for political reasons " to a single word.
 
Jaygodmedia said:
SMH. One thing about the GOP is they will lie to the people and do all kinds of shady crap. But at the end of the day they own it.
But the Dems should be asking for this guy to step-down from this investigation as he is clearly here to protect that guy in the white house. But no the Dems are weak in their approach to political games like this. SMH.
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Yeah that's why I'm so giddy about the next four years. They're gonna put up or be discredited.
 
bubbabgone said:
I haven't seen that either.
The Hill must have just decided to characterize his actual quote with the word "regrets".
It'd be like replacing a phrase like, say, "me and my entire team was spied on for political reasons " to a single word.
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They knew someone would fall for it.
 
NIMBY said:
Some trumposters say Nunes did and some trumposters say Nunes didn't. Classic trump/Bannon disinformation negotiating over facts. Nunes is completely compromised according to more GOPs each day .
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I'm not saying either. I'm saying that there isn't a quote. That's an irrefutable fact.
 
Cardinal said:
Wut...



Intel chair unsure if Trump associates were directly surveilled
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Looks like Nune is just taking a cue from his master to put the allegations out there and let other people look for the evidence.

Nune said he saw the reports...but when asked to show them he said he'll have to get them from the intel agencies before he knows for sure. Thats a big contradiction right there. How did he see the reports if the intel agencies haven't shown them to him yet?

Funny thing, even Trump seemed "somewhat" dubious about Nune's revelations.
 
Moot said:
Looks like Nune is just taking a cue from his master to put the allegations out there and let other people look for the evidence.

Nune said he saw the reports...but when asked to show them he said he'll have to get them from the intel agencies before he knows for sure. Thats a big contradiction right there. How did he see the reports if the intel agencies haven't shown them to him yet?

Funny thing, even Trump seemed "somewhat" dubious about Nune's revelations.
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Where's the evidence President Trump is in league with the Russians?
 
Cardinal said:
Nunes regrets briefing Trump before Intelligence panel | TheHill

Troll level: one billion.

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Allow me to explain. Schiff -another member of the intel committee - forced Nunes hand by coming out with more dots about Russia that sounded connected but weren't. His position in the intel committee give his voice more weight than other democrats.

So, to counter act that, Nunes came out -and you can be sure Paul Ryan was on board - and lit the democrats on fire as a counter move to Schiff wandering into the "Russia theory".

So now, it's out there. "The Obama administration used intelligence agencies to capture information on Trump and his transition team before Trump was sworn in".

This should cause every one great concern. The intelligence agencies have no business meddling in political affairs of the country he serve. THis is the big story.
 
chuckiechan said:
Allow me to explain. Schiff -another member of the intel committee - forced Nunes hand by coming out with more dots about Russia that sounded connected but weren't. His position in the intel committee give his voice more weight than other democrats.

So, to counter act that, Nunes came out -and you can be sure Paul Ryan was on board - and lit the democrats on fire as a counter move to Schiff wandering into the "Russia theory".

So now, it's out there. "The Obama administration used intelligence agencies to capture information on Trump and his transition team before Trump was sworn in".

This should cause every one great concern. The intelligence agencies have no business meddling in political affairs of the country he serve. THis is the big story.
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Since everything you said is absolute silly horse**** and never happened, the actual story is that the Chairman of the House Intelligence oversight committee is funneling information to the branch of the government he's specifically tasked to apply oversight to. It's the very definition of conflict of interest. He disgraced himself and the committee so badly that it now has precisely zero credibility, and an independent investigator is the only logical path forward. If an independent investigator takes over, it will all be thanks to Nunes.
 
apdst said:
Where's the evidence President Trump is in league with the Russians?
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That investigation isn't over. So wheres the evidence that Trump was wiretapped?
 
apdst said:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/...tude-to-share-intercepted-communications.html

Flashback=> NY Times Front Page Headline: "Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides"

Trump Exonerated: MSM Stands By Reports of Obama Admin's Surveillance Warrants, Wiretap Intel | Daily Wire
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It's already established that some of Trump's aides were caught under surveillance when they talked to the Russian ambassador who was wiretapped.

But that doesn't prove that Trump Tower was wiretapped or under surveillance. So wheres the evidence for that?
 
year2late said:
He regrets being caught is the most likely scenario.
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Nunes continues to say it was his duty and obligation to go to trump.

That's not an apology and McCain's correct that Nunes is completely compromised .
 
Cardinal said:
Since everything you said is absolute silly horse**** and never happened, the actual story is that the Chairman of the House Intelligence oversight committee is funneling information to the branch of the government he's specifically tasked to apply oversight to. It's the very definition of conflict of interest. He disgraced himself and the committee so badly that it now has precisely zero credibility, and an independent investigator is the only logical path forward. If an independent investigator takes over, it will all be thanks to Nunes.
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A lot of you guys keep wanting to talk about "information" while denying the source; the Obama admin surveillance of the GOP candidate for president, and the president elect.
 
Athanasius68 said:
A lot of you guys keep wanting to talk about "information" while denying the source; the Obama admin surveillance of the GOP candidate for president, and the president elect.
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The surveillance you're referring to was the one that Trump's campaign was caught up in when they were communicating with Russia, not knowing that the Russian lines were regularly surveilled anyway (which is a legal Darwin Award right there). That's one of the many reasons there's an ongoing criminal investigation into possible treason by the Trump campaign. Since Trump and [probably] Nunes were caught up in that entirely legal surveillance (which means a warrant was issued by a FISA court), Nunes abandoned the duties of being on an oversight committee and rushed over to the warn person his committee was supposed to be independently overseeing.

You haven't heard the last of this. Everything Trump and his surrogates do just hasten the administration's death spiral.
 
Cardinal said:
Since everything you said is absolute silly horse**** and never happened, the actual story is that the Chairman of the House Intelligence oversight committee is funneling information to the branch of the government he's specifically tasked to apply oversight to. It's the very definition of conflict of interest. He disgraced himself and the committee so badly that it now has precisely zero credibility, and an independent investigator is the only logical path forward. If an independent investigator takes over, it will all be thanks to Nunes.
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You don't have a clue, and you are making up your argument out of whole cloth. Only a brainless partisan can ignore intelligence agencies monitoring "the other side", and then can fall back on an erroneous procedural argument that is still wrong to make his argument.

And lastly, the House Intelligence Committee provides oversight over the intelligence agencies. Do you see a difference, mister? Because Speaking of silly horse****, your argument is just that.
 
chuckiechan said:
You don't have a clue, and you are making up your argument out of whole cloth. Only a brainless partisan can ignore intelligence agencies monitoring "the other side", and then can fall back on an erroneous procedural argument that is still wrong to make his argument.

And lastly, the House Intelligence Committee provides oversight over the intelligence agencies. Do you see a difference, mister? Because Speaking of silly horse****, your argument is just that.
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The Intelligence community isn't directly the purview of the legislative branch, which is why as an oversight committee is operates independently. By funneling classified information to the executive branch (which the intelligence community is the purview of), the chairman of the intelligence committee broke that wall. That's why it totally discredited itself, and that's why if an independent investigator is finally assigned it will be to the thanks of Nunes.
 
Cardinal said:
The Intelligence community isn't directly the purview of the legislative branch, which is why as an oversight committee is operates independently. By funneling classified information to the executive branch (which the intelligence community is the purview of), the chairman of the intelligence committee broke that wall. That's why it totally discredited itself, and that's why if an independent investigator is finally assigned it will be to the thanks of Nunes.
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Bull****.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/did-obama-abuse-raw-intelligence-1490309760?mod=rss_opinion_main

BTW, to get past the paywall go in through here:

RealClearPolitics - Opinion, News, Analysis, Video and Polls

5th article down - its perishable and moves at noon.
 
Cardinal said:
The surveillance you're referring to was the one that Trump's campaign was caught up in when they were communicating with Russia, not knowing that the Russian lines were regularly surveilled anyway (which is a legal Darwin Award right there). That's one of the many reasons there's an ongoing criminal investigation into possible treason by the Trump campaign. Since Trump and [probably] Nunes were caught up in that entirely legal surveillance (which means a warrant was issued by a FISA court), Nunes abandoned the duties of being on an oversight committee and rushed over to the warn person his committee was supposed to be independently overseeing.

You haven't heard the last of this. Everything Trump and his surrogates do just hasten the administration's death spiral.
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1. It's possible they didn't know. I find it difficult to believe that Flynn - a military intelligence career professional and former head of the DIA - didn't know. That was sort of his job.

2. It's also perfectly normal for an incoming-but-not-yet-sworn-in administration to talk to foreign dignitaries as they attempt to chart our early foreign policy moves. This is different than a campaign doing so pre-election.

3. Classification of government information flows from Presidential authority (that's why the President can declassify anything he or she wants at any time). For Nunes to give Trump information that technically belonged to him.... I am not positive why that is such a big deal. It would be like him briefing the DIRNSA on SIGINT information he had found in the course of an investigation, or DCIA on HUMINT data he'd run across. He's just backbriefing the Executive Branch on what the Executive Branch told him.

4. USPER data is supposed to be stripped out of SIGINT data as it is processed and exploited. The exceptions to this rule are very narrow and tailored. You don't need a FISA warrant to wiretap a Russian, regardless of whether or not he's talking to an American - you simply strip out the American's data. If individuals from the campaign were named in the reporting or analysis without a FISA exception issued on that individual, and even then strictly in the context of the CI investigation, then we are looking at a legal violation on the part of those who did it. I've read a ton of FISA reporting. I've seen precisely (1) USPER named as an intel target in that reporting, and that individual wasn't a citizen, but rather someone who had physically lived here, and so technically fell under that definition even though they no longer did.

Those who deliberately abuse classified information should pay the penalty for it - be they Republican or Democrat, politician or General Officer.
 
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