Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17

JasperL · Mar 20, 2017

beerftw said:
I think it is the point but will not work. The left is putting everything in one basket that trump and russia worked together to cheat the election, they are hoping it will come true and put trump into impeachable grounds.

problem is despite an investigation, no evidence of it has surfaced. They are putting all bets on this issue and accusations rather than putting that effort into appealing to the voter base they lost in 2016, which is a massive gamble, if it backfires they might do even worse in 2018 and it may be until 2020 before they start to regain enough seats to make a difference.

I don't see that at all. Lots of folks showed up at the town halls, and Russia just was not why they did it. Same for all the marches, protest over the Muslim ban, and more. I was at dinner last night with several pretty staunch liberals and we talked politics most of the night and Russia never came up. Between the group of us, we've written at least 20 letters, made many more phone calls and several had already attended protests (4 were from a major city with several opportunities, and two sisters were in D.C. for the Women's March).

And we just watched the GOP ride endless BS investigations into victory across the country - they had little positive agenda beyond HELL NO!, and that the investigations were really mostly a complete bust hurt NO ONE in the GOP.

Anyway, I get the point but at this stage, NOT pursuing it would be IMO just stupid, at least until the FBI completes its investigation. And there's a point where it goes overboard but I haven't really seen that yet.

mbig · Mar 21, 2017

Beaudreaux said:
Adam Schiff is a political hack that for nothing more than political gain is endangering the country by making accusations of treason by the sitting President without any evidence whatsoever. At the end of this long, serious, list that impressed you so much, did he say he had any proof, or facts, or evidence to support his claims? Or, did he say he didn't know, and that an investigation would find the truth? ....

Actually, he laid out Extensive Circumstantial EVIDENCE.
You are unwittingly and/or with partisanship, Conflating "Evidence" with "Proof".
He did not claim Proof, but he Did lay out plenty of Evidence he rightly inferred was more likely nefarious than coincidental... especially with the already established fact the Russians did interfere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstantial_evidence

Circumstantial evidence is evidence that relies on an Inference to connect it to a conclusion of fact—like a fingerprint at the scene of a crime. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any additional evidence or inference.

On its own, circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation. Different pieces of circumstantial evidence may be required, so that each corroborates the conclusions drawn from the others. Together, they may more strongly support one particular inference over another. An explanation involving circumstantial evidence becomes more likely once alternative explanations have been ruled out....

Criminal law
Circumstantial evidence is used in criminal courts to establish guilt or innocence through reasoning.

..Most criminals try to avoid generating direct evidence. Hence the prosecution Usually must resort to circumstantial evidence to prove the existence of mens rea, or Intent...

One example of circumstantial evidence is the behavior of a person around the time of an alleged offense. If someone was charged with theft of money and was then seen in a shopping spree purchasing expensive items, the shopping spree might be circumstantial evidence of the individual's guilt...

That last paragraph explaining the type of behavior we see in Trump's love affair with Putin only since 2015, Flynn's/Rubles behavior, and so many more things elucidated in the OP youtube. Trump/Manafort's changing of only ONE item in the GOP platform, etc, etc, etc.

DA60 · Mar 21, 2017

Beaudreaux said:
Adam Schiff is a political hack that for nothing more than political gain is endangering the country by making accusations of treason by the sitting President without any evidence whatsoever. At the end of this long, serious, list that impressed you so much, did he say he had any proof, or facts, or evidence to support his claims? Or, did he say he didn't know, and that an investigation would find the truth? And, why wouldn't the FBI Director confirming an FBI investigation into the Russian governments actions to interfere in the US election, and any ties to US persons, and any coordination with the Trump campaign, be exactly what he asked for, which is a non-partisan investigation into the facts?

I've been watching the hearing from the very beginning. The Democrats have already decided what happened. By there own statements and accusations, they have accused the sitting President of treason. They are willing to destroy the country, to topple Trump.

What a load of partisan nonsense....that does not even make sense.

If there is nothing to hide - than there is no reason to be against an investigation to clear Trump's name.

And the notion that an investigation might 'endanger the country' is about the most ridiculous thing I have read on here in weeks.

What kind of a pathetic nation do you think America is if a simple (and LEGAL) investigation could 'endanger' it's very existence.

What complete and utter ridiculousness. Obviously you are terrified that something might come out that could damage your messiah (Trump).

:roll:

I can see there is no point in taking anything you say seriously on this subject in future.

Bu bye now.

Moot · Mar 21, 2017

cuban smokes said:
Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SSa9-BC7LM

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Adam Schiff lays out a compelling case for a very broad, expanded investigation into Russian influence in regard to the 2016 Presidential election.

Mr. Schiff is a former Federal prosecutor & and listening to the video it is pretty obvious he has been doing some serious homework.

After listening to Schiff's comments on Trump's associates I bet they are a bit uncomfortable; Schiff is dead serious.

Rep. Schiff was very impressive and definitely did his homework. I wish he was the president.

Regardless of whether Comey could answer or not, Schiff hit all the key points just to get them on record. He even mentioned the dossier....which seems to be the road map for the FBI investigation...and all the roads are leading to Russia.

RoccoR · Mar 21, 2017

Re: Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17
cuban smokes, et al,

I seem to have missed something here.

cuban smokes said:
technically Trump has already committed impeachable offences; the investigations may, or may not add to Trump's current issues

folks on both sides need to keep their noses clean, because there is dirt on both sides ............... let the chips fall where they may ........

(QUESTION)

What were the high crimes and misdemeanors again for which you have seen evidence?

(Probably Best to wait for the evidence first.)

Most Respectfully,
R

cuban smokes · Mar 21, 2017

RoccoR said:
Re: Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17
cuban smokes, et al,

I seem to have missed something here.

(QUESTION)

What were the high crimes and misdemeanors again for which you have seen evidence?

(Probably Best to wait for the evidence first.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Don Cheeto committed defamation per se in his multiple TwitterRage melt downs on March 4, 2017.
Don Cheeto was in the US State of Florida when he made the libelous accusation against Obama via his Tweets; Trump accused Obama of a felony.
Trump's Tweets were NOT an official act of his duties as POTUS.
Trump's accusations were made with malice & without proof that Trump's claims were legitimate.
Florida has a criminal defamation statute on the books; Don Cheeto is guilty on that count.

would you like me to continue ..................

RoccoR · Mar 21, 2017

Re: Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17
cuban smokes, et al,

WOW! This is ridiculous.

cuban smokes said:
RoccoR said:

Re: Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17
(QUESTION) What were the high crimes and misdemeanors again for which you have seen evidence?
(Probably Best to wait for the evidence first.)

Click to expand...

Don Cheeto committed defamation per se in his multiple TwitterRage melt downs on March 4, 2017.
Don Cheeto was in the US State of Florida when he made the libelous accusation against Obama via his Tweets; Trump accused Obama of a felony.
Trump's Tweets were NOT an official act of his duties as POTUS.
Trump's accusations were made with malice & without proof that Trump's claims were legitimate.
Florida has a criminal defamation statute on the books; Don Cheeto is guilty on that count.
would you like me to continue ..................

(COMMENT)

You have yet to mention a "High crime and Misdemeanor." A traffic violation is a crime. But you don't impeach a President for speeding.

Similarly, businessmen and politicians pass insults back and forth, and generally engage in ad hominem attacks. And if you impeached every politician that lied, or made false promises to lure you vote, you would not have any of them left. How many politicians have made the implied promise to fix the tax code. That promise has been made since the time I was in Vietnam. Just imagine how many candidates for Congress could be charged with misrepresentation of the facts (lying).

When you claimed in Posting #25 that "technically Trump has already committed impeachable offences;" without any evidence, are you trying to incitement to form Defamation against government? No, of course not. You are speaking your mind and not engaging in sedition. The President is allowed to do that as well.

I am not actually happy with the President (as of now), but that does not mean that he won't be the President that turn America into the world center for learning, research and development. But clearly, you know that neither the Democrats or Republicans have made the US shine in recent decades.

This is neither smoke or fire. When you have real evidence of a "High Crime and Misdemeanor," let me know. But please make it better than the President is double-parked on the curb of Lafayette Park.

(Again: Probably Best to wait for the evidence first.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Praxas · Mar 21, 2017

RoccoR said:
You have yet to mention a "High crime and Misdemeanor." A traffic violation is a crime. But you don't impeach a President for speeding.

Similarly, businessmen and politicians pass insults back and forth, and generally engage in ad hominem attacks. And if you impeached every politician that lied, or made false promises to lure you vote, you would not have any of them left. How many politicians have made the implied promise to fix the tax code. That promise has been made since the time I was in Vietnam. Just imagine how many candidates for Congress could be charged with misrepresentation of the facts (lying).

There's a difference between lying when you say you're going to do something and lying when you accuse a former president of a felony like Trump did.

cuban smokes · Mar 21, 2017

RoccoR said:
Re: Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17
cuban smokes, et al,

WOW! This is ridiculous.

(COMMENT)

You have yet to mention a "High crime and Misdemeanor." A traffic violation is a crime. But you don't impeach a President for speeding.

Similarly, businessmen and politicians pass insults back and forth, and generally engage in ad hominem attacks. And if you impeached every politician that lied, or made false promises to lure you vote, you would not have any of them left. How many politicians have made the implied promise to fix the tax code. That promise has been made since the time I was in Vietnam. Just imagine how many candidates for Congress could be charged with misrepresentation of the facts (lying).

When you claimed in Posting #25 that "technically Trump has already committed impeachable offences;" without any evidence, are you trying to incitement to form Defamation against government? No, of course not. You are speaking your mind and not engaging in sedition. The President is allowed to do that as well.

I am not actually happy with the President (as of now), but that does not mean that he won't be the President that turn America into the world center for learning, research and development. But clearly, you know that neither the Democrats or Republicans have made the US shine in recent decades.

This is neither smoke or fire. When you have real evidence of a "High Crime and Misdemeanor," let me know. But please make it better than the President is double-parked on the curb of Lafayette Park.

(Again: Probably Best to wait for the evidence first.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Maybe you forget to read my post: Florida has a criminal defamation statute on the books
Is there something about that you don't get?
Here; I will repeat myself.

Don Cheeto committed defamation per se in his multiple TwitterRage melt downs on March 4, 2017.
Don Cheeto was in the US State of Florida when he made the libelous accusation against Obama via his Tweets; Trump accused Obama of a felony.
Trump's Tweets were NOT an official act of his duties as POTUS.
Trump's accusations were made with malice & without proof that Trump's claims were legitimate.
Florida has a criminal defamation statute on the books; Don Cheeto is guilty on that count.

Not sure what there is about that you don't get

Florida recognizes Defamation Per Se.
Defamation Per Se statements falsely, and maliciously, insinuate the plaintiff is:
1. Afflicted with a terminal disease
2. Engaged in criminal activity
3. Acted in a way unbecoming of his or her profession

cuban smokes · Mar 21, 2017

Praxas said:
There's a difference between lying when you say you're going to do something and lying when you accuse a former president of a felony like Trump did.

wow, someone here gets it

eace

OpportunityCost · Mar 21, 2017

cuban smokes said:
Don Cheeto committed defamation per se in his multiple TwitterRage melt downs on March 4, 2017.
Don Cheeto was in the US State of Florida when he made the libelous accusation against Obama via his Tweets; Trump accused Obama of a felony.
Trump's Tweets were NOT an official act of his duties as POTUS.
Trump's accusations were made with malice & without proof that Trump's claims were legitimate.
Florida has a criminal defamation statute on the books; Don Cheeto is guilty on that count.

would you like me to continue ..................

Defamation is not a high crime. Quit talking retarded ****.

OpportunityCost · Mar 21, 2017

Praxas said:
There's a difference between lying when you say you're going to do something and lying when you accuse a former president of a felony like Trump did.

Ordering a FISA tap isn't a felony. Boy this is some stupid crap you guys are coming up with.

cuban smokes · Mar 21, 2017

OpportunityCost said:
Defamation is not a high crime. Quit talking retarded ****.

I did not state any offense as being a "high crime"

A conviction on a criminal statute in ANY state within the US would represent at a minimum a 'misdemeanor' level offense

In the State of Florida a conviction for the offense of defamation would be a misdemeanor of the first degree

as far as your "Quit talking retarded ****" remark, that comes under the rules here at DP ...............

Praxas · Mar 21, 2017

OpportunityCost said:
Ordering a FISA tap isn't a felony. Boy this is some stupid crap you guys are coming up with.

The only thing stupid is King Cheeto accusing a former president of something he didn't do. But you guys love the Trumptard.

d0gbreath · Mar 21, 2017

Beaudreaux said:
Adam Schiff is a political hack that for nothing more than political gain is endangering the country by making accusations of treason by the sitting President without any evidence whatsoever. At the end of this long, serious, list that impressed you so much, did he say he had any proof, or facts, or evidence to support his claims? Or, did he say he didn't know, and that an investigation would find the truth? And, why wouldn't the FBI Director confirming an FBI investigation into the Russian governments actions to interfere in the US election, and any ties to US persons, and any coordination with the Trump campaign, be exactly what he asked for, which is a non-partisan investigation into the facts?

I've been watching the hearing from the very beginning. The Democrats have already decided what happened. By there own statements and accusations, they have accused the sitting President of treason. They are willing to destroy the country, to topple Trump.

Toppling treasonous Trump will not hurt the country one bit. We've been through this before.

cuban smokes · Mar 21, 2017

d0gbreath said:
Toppling treasonous Trump will not hurt the country one bit. We've been through this before.

Nixon = what a GOP POS ...........

yes; I recall the GOP via Ken Starr wasted OVER $50 million US tax payer dollars to investigate Whitewater & what did they get for that?
They got ole Slick Willie to lie under oath about sex.
Piss poor performance by the GOP in my book ........

jmotivator · Mar 21, 2017

Tanngrisnir said:
No, the FBI investigating collusion between Trump and the Russians isn't about Clinton.

She's tangential to it, but not the target of the investigation.

Well, yeah it is. The only conclusion that the FBI has drawn and gone on record with is their assumed motive that looks like the Russian involvement was as opposition to Clinton. Their only statement regarding Trump collusion with the Russians is that there is no proof.

Kal'Stang · Mar 21, 2017

Grand Mal said:
I would think that if there's no evidence the administration and Trump's supporters should welcome an investigation. It's the only way this whole controversy will be put to rest.
Trouble is, in the atmosphere that's developed, neither side will believe any result that disagrees with their agenda. No matter what the FBI comes up with, half the country will say, and believe, that they're corrupt and lying.
Is there any way out?

I fully agree. Particularly after the FBI's handling of Hillary. Hillary's case shows exactly what you're saying.

In Hillary's case the FBI said two different things. One being that they would not recommend any prosecution after listing some things that she did that were criminal. The right went crazy. The left cheered. Then the FBI comes out with a letter advising that they found some additional evidence. The right cheered and the left went crazy. Then the FBI says that that previous evidence they found turned out to be a dead end. The left cheered and the right went crazy. Then Trump won and the right cheered and the left blamed the FBI for Hillary losing.

So you're right. No matter what happens one side or the other will cheer no matter what and the other side will go crazy no matter what. No one is interested in anything beyond their partisan views.

haymarket · Mar 21, 2017

cuban smokes said:
Adam Schiff Opening Statement On Trump Wiretapping Claims Comey Testifies 3 20 17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SSa9-BC7LM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Adam Schiff lays out a compelling case for a very broad, expanded investigation into Russian influence in regard to the 2016 Presidential election.

Mr. Schiff is a former Federal prosecutor & and listening to the video it is pretty obvious he has been doing some serious homework.

After listening to Schiff's comments on Trump's associates I bet they are a bit uncomfortable; Schiff is dead serious.

Schiff did a superb job and the way he set up all the domino's and then knocked them one by one so they each connected with the next was a thing of beauty to watch. His skills as a former prosecutor sure were evident.

OpportunityCost · Mar 21, 2017

cuban smokes said:
I did not state any offense as being a "high crime"

A conviction on a criminal statute in ANY state within the US would represent at a minimum a 'misdemeanor' level offense

In the State of Florida a conviction for the offense of defamation would be a misdemeanor of the first degree

as far as your "Quit talking retarded ****" remark, that comes under the rules here at DP ...............

You don't even know the constitutional definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that's why you are talking retarded crap. Its not a legal misdemeanor, its a specific set of legal violations specific to sworn authorities. Go look it up.

PS, I am characterizing your ridiculous statements, not you. You aren't a mod, I could give a darn what you think is a rule violation, hit the triangle and quit trying to dictate what I post.

Kal'Stang · Mar 21, 2017

cuban smokes said:
Nixon = what a GOP POS ...........

yes; I recall the GOP via Ken Starr wasted OVER $50 million US tax payer dollars to investigate Whitewater & what did they get for that?
They got ole Slick Willie to lie under oath about sex.
Piss poor performance by the GOP in my book ........

Umm...how did they get "slick willie" to lie under oath? Isn't it up to "slick willie" to tell the truth or lie about it? Funny how you claim that the GOP got someone to lie and yet when it comes to Trump it is purely Trumps responsibility. I agree that its Trumps responsibility. I do not agree that its the GOP's fault that they supposedly "got slick willie" to lie. That's about as a partisan a statement as you can possibly get.

OpportunityCost · Mar 21, 2017

Praxas said:
The only thing stupid is King Cheeto accusing a former president of something he didn't do. But you guys love the Trumptard.

Well, not the only thing, using terms like King Cheeto and Trumptard makes your arguments look downright stupid.

Praxas · Mar 21, 2017

OpportunityCost said:
Well, not the only thing, using terms like King Cheeto and Trumptard makes your arguments look downright stupid.

Says a king cheeto worshipper.

yankintx · Mar 21, 2017

Beaudreaux said:
Adam Schiff is a political hack that for nothing more than political gain is endangering the country by making accusations of treason by the sitting President without any evidence whatsoever. At the end of this long, serious, list that impressed you so much, did he say he had any proof, or facts, or evidence to support his claims? Or, did he say he didn't know, and that an investigation would find the truth? And, why wouldn't the FBI Director confirming an FBI investigation into the Russian governments actions to interfere in the US election, and any ties to US persons, and any coordination with the Trump campaign, be exactly what he asked for, which is a non-partisan investigation into the facts?

I've been watching the hearing from the very beginning. The Democrats have already decided what happened. By there own statements and accusations, they have accused the sitting President of treason. They are willing to destroy the country, to topple Trump.

You have been watching the hearing from the beginning? lol It just started but yet you are making assumptions already, you are no better than the Trump haters you diss, have a look in the mirror bud.

cuban smokes · Mar 21, 2017

OpportunityCost said:
You don't even know the constitutional definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that's why you are talking retarded crap. Its not a legal misdemeanor, its a specific set of legal violations specific to sworn authorities. Go look it up.

PS, I am characterizing your ridiculous statements, not you. You aren't a mod, I could give a darn what you think is a rule violation, hit the triangle and quit trying to dictate what I post.

Your statement "Quit talking retarded ****"" is just another form of telling another DP member to STFU; you just happen to state it differently

your implication is NO DIFFERENT; only the verbiage you utilize

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