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    Re: With a 10-day supply of opioids, 1 in 5 become long-term users

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I knew one of these stories was coming when I saw you started this thread and included 'man up' in the first post.

    So what is yours? - 'I got my leg chopped off and I sewed it back on myself and all I took was a shot of vodka. Later, the pain was so bad I had to beat myself to sleep with a hammer every night...but I 'manned up' and dealt with the pain. And if I can do it - no matter what situation you are going through - I know better than you do how to handle it and you must 'man up' and take the pain or risk a 1:5 chance of getting addicted to opioids'.

    Thanks Rambo...I will keep your advice in mind next time I saw off my leg.

    You are in no position whatsoever to determine what a person should or should not do in handling their pain. Why don't you walk around a hospital one day and tell everyone taking opioids to 'man up'...and see where that gets you?


    For the record, I don't take opioids for pain. But I am not about to go around telling other people in agony that they are not 'manning up' if they take the opioids that they are prescribed.
    As long as they are told the odds of them getting hooked on opioids before they take them, then it is up to them and them alone to determine if they deem the risk is worth ending their pain/agony.

    Maybe your intentions are good on this - probably are. But my first thought when I read your IP was 'Who the hell are you to determine what is and is not 'manning up?'.


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    Re: With a 10-day supply of opioids, 1 in 5 become long-term users

    It's become very very fashionable to demonize opiate users and opiates. Meanwhile, fewer doctors are prescribing opiates. The DEA can raid you can kill your career for prescribing opiates to a patient who doesn't need opiates. Second, most opiates are for acute pain, just as most benzos are for acute anxiety. If you studied the rates of people who were prescribed xanax to be taken for 10 days or more, you'd see similar rates. The difference is that society views the housewife taking the xanax as using a legitimate medication to help with a DSM recognized diagnosis (generalized anxiety, social anxiety, etc.) while the 30 year old man taking hydrocodone for his chronic back pain is seen as a junky.

    Anybody who has ever had their wisdom teeth taken out was prescribed an opiate for a week or so. Did you get addicted? Almost nobody does from one prescription. The same people who take opiates for more than one year are the same people who get opiates for more than 10 days in the first place - people with a legitimate diagnosis (chronic pain). Often, if not usually, taking them responsibly for breakthrough pain.

    So drink your whiskey, smoke your cigarettes, take your ativan, eat your disgusting fast food that's causing the heart disease which is the #1 killer in the country, and then rant about the lowly pathetic opiate users.

    Also, any real addict would just stop taking opiates before one year. They'd switch to heroin. No urine tests, contracts, doctors, pharmacies, health care, and nurses telling you what a loser you are.
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    Re: With a 10-day supply of opioids, 1 in 5 become long-term users

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We were also a country of puritanical fundamentalists. So while there was not prohibition at the federal level, you had tons of dry towns and whole communities where you would be ostracized if you so much as touched a drop of alcohol.
    What year was that, and what part of the country?

    They've been drinking in New Yawk for years, and prohibition didn't stop them, as some folks made their own bathtub gin.

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    WE LIKE IT.

    IT CAN'T STOP WHAT IT'S MEANT TO STOP,

    WE LIKE IT.

    IT'S LEFT A TRAIL OF GRAFT AND SLIME

    IT'S FILLED OUR LAND WITH VICE AND CRIME

    IT DON'T PROHIBIT WORTH A DIME

    NEVERTHELESS, WE'RE FOR IT.


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    Re: With a 10-day supply of opioids, 1 in 5 become long-term users

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    It's become very very fashionable to demonize opiate users and opiates. Meanwhile, fewer doctors are prescribing opiates. The DEA can raid you can kill your career for prescribing opiates to a patient who doesn't need opiates. Second, most opiates are for acute pain, just as most benzos are for acute anxiety. If you studied the rates of people who were prescribed xanax to be taken for 10 days or more, you'd see similar rates. The difference is that society views the housewife taking the xanax as using a legitimate medication to help with a DSM recognized diagnosis (generalized anxiety, social anxiety, etc.) while the 30 year old man taking hydrocodone for his chronic back pain is seen as a junky.

    Anybody who has ever had their wisdom teeth taken out was prescribed an opiate for a week or so. Did you get addicted? Almost nobody does from one prescription. The same people who take opiates for more than one year are the same people who get opiates for more than 10 days in the first place - people with a legitimate diagnosis (chronic pain). Often, if not usually, taking them responsibly for breakthrough pain.

    So drink your whiskey, smoke your cigarettes, take your ativan, eat your disgusting fast food that's causing the heart disease which is the #1 killer in the country, and then rant about the lowly pathetic opiate users.

    Also, any real addict would just stop taking opiates before one year. They'd switch to heroin. No urine tests, contracts, doctors, pharmacies, health care, and nurses telling you what a loser you are.
    Somehow reminds me of "Mother's Little Helper" in the days of meprobamate and Dexamyl caps.

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    Re: With a 10-day supply of opioids, 1 in 5 become long-term users

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It's funny. Humanity has come so far with ending slavery, racial equality, women getting the vote, child labor laws, etc..

    But yet humanity was SO much more evolved when it comes to substance abuse 150 years ago than it is today.

    Prohibition is so staggeringly dumb it defies belief to me.

    I mean Coca Cola actually had cocaine in it. Try that today and this PC world we inhabit would freak right out.
    A little trivia for you, Coca Cola voluntarily removed the cocaine from the formula in 1912, 2 years before the Harrison Narcotic Act would require it. The Andean people have chewed the leaf for thousands of years.

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    Re: With a 10-day supply of opioids, 1 in 5 become long-term users

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    It's become very very fashionable to demonize opiate users and opiates. Meanwhile, fewer doctors are prescribing opiates. The DEA can raid you can kill your career for prescribing opiates to a patient who doesn't need opiates. Second, most opiates are for acute pain, just as most benzos are for acute anxiety. If you studied the rates of people who were prescribed xanax to be taken for 10 days or more, you'd see similar rates. The difference is that society views the housewife taking the xanax as using a legitimate medication to help with a DSM recognized diagnosis (generalized anxiety, social anxiety, etc.) while the 30 year old man taking hydrocodone for his chronic back pain is seen as a junky.

    Anybody who has ever had their wisdom teeth taken out was prescribed an opiate for a week or so. Did you get addicted? Almost nobody does from one prescription. The same people who take opiates for more than one year are the same people who get opiates for more than 10 days in the first place - people with a legitimate diagnosis (chronic pain). Often, if not usually, taking them responsibly for breakthrough pain.

    So drink your whiskey, smoke your cigarettes, take your ativan, eat your disgusting fast food that's causing the heart disease which is the #1 killer in the country, and then rant about the lowly pathetic opiate users.

    Also, any real addict would just stop taking opiates before one year. They'd switch to heroin. No urine tests, contracts, doctors, pharmacies, health care, and nurses telling you what a loser you are.
    I'll just say it may be a mistake to make too big a deal out of opiates but it's also pretty delusional to trivialize the problem. The 30,000 annual deaths is just the tip of an iceberg.

    FWIW, a lot of real addicts, for example, buy pills on the street, not at the pharmacy.

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